MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #2

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BTW, the digital bulletin boards they're talking about are already in place. They normally display ads for auto villages, casinos, and discount jewelers, but the company that owns them will donate space for public service.

Yes, and I have seen them for other cases I have followed - last year, here in Merrimack Valley. And they change between advertisements every few seconds so it's not a big stretch for the advertiser to throw in a PSA. But 84 signs is a lot, LOL


MOO
 
The Boston police department isn't involved. The body was found in Winthrop, which is an entirely different town, also in Suffolk County.

Yeah, but if they think this involves someone local, shouldn't it be posted to all PD pages in the eastern Mass. area?
 
I think you're close, but IMHO it's a community that's keeping quiet. I still think the parents are illegal and don't dare come forward for fear of being deported. Admitting that she died accidentally or of natural causes and having a proper burial may not be worth the rest of the family being sent back to wherever.

I really would like to address this "illegal" issue. Undocumented, illegal, whatever classification feels good, has no bearing on this case, IMO.
It's Massachusetts. No one ever gets deported from Massachusetts for being Illegal. The only people we deport, usually, are criminals at the end of a jail term if that was part of their sentence, but usually those people just come back.
Further, Every hospital waiting room is packed with people seeking health care who don't speak a word of English and have no idea what fear of deportation would mean to them. Their access to health care, social services, social security, EBT, etc., seems to not fall short of what their needs may be.
I don't know what it must be like thinking that tens of thousands of people are cowering in fear of being deported or discovered, LOL. When their kids get sick they go to ER, walk-in, or what have you. I see and meet these peple all the time. I have worked with them. There are some times when a person has to be turned away from a job because of lack of a SS#, but there are forms for that situation too.

A situation where a child dies, or gets sick, and gets no care, in my opinion, is more connected to criminal activity, neglect involving drug use, warrants, trafficking, etc. Those are the people who are not going to come forward. That's why the baby is in a bag.
It's not because Mom is a working mom and the baby got sick but she is illegal so we need a trash bag. That Mom would go to the nearest ER in my experience.

It's Massachusetts. I know of no cases where regular every day undocumented people have lived in fear of being deported just for being illegal. And "especially" if their kids are sick.

This is different - witness the lack of anyone coming forward. We hope that someone else would have seen that face in those pants with that blanket, where, when, under what circumstances?

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MOO
 
marking my place here. been off WS for like 8 months. This case I have been following on my own since she was found....now here I am.... hoping for her identity to be revealed and for someone to come forward with legit solid leads.... *sigh*
 
I really would like to address this "illegal" issue. Undocumented, illegal, whatever classification feels good, has no bearing on this case, IMO.
It's Massachusetts. No one ever gets deported from Massachusetts for being Illegal. The only people we deport, usually, are criminals at the end of a jail term if that was part of their sentence, but usually those people just come back.
Further, Every hospital waiting room is packed with people seeking health care who don't speak a word of English and have no idea what fear of deportation would mean to them. Their access to health care, social services, social security, EBT, etc., seems to not fall short of what their needs may be.
I don't know what it must be like thinking that tens of thousands of people are cowering in fear of being deported or discovered, LOL. When their kids get sick they go to ER, walk-in, or what have you. I see and meet these peple all the time. I have worked with them. There are some times when a person has to be turned away from a job because of lack of a SS#, but there are forms for that situation too.

A situation where a child dies, or gets sick, and gets no care, in my opinion, is more connected to criminal activity, neglect involving drug use, warrants, trafficking, etc. Those are the people who are not going to come forward. That's why the baby is in a bag.
It's not because Mom is a working mom and the baby got sick but she is illegal so we need a trash bag. That Mom would go to the nearest ER in my experience.

It's Massachusetts. I know of no cases where regular every day undocumented people have lived in fear of being deported just for being illegal. And "especially" if their kids are sick.

This is different - witness the lack of anyone coming forward. We hope that someone else would have seen that face in those pants with that blanket, where, when, under what circumstances?

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MOO

VERY good point! When my sister was in residency she said there were illegals that would come in for fertility treatment. They were sent home (to wherever they lived in America) if they weren't married. If they were married, they could get fertility treatment whether illegal or not. So if this was a sick child or accidental death or dental seizure etc, you are right. An illegal mom would not be afraid to go to the ER.
 
I think you're close, but IMHO it's a community that's keeping quiet. I still think the parents are illegal and don't dare come forward for fear of being deported. Admitting that she died accidentally or of natural causes and having a proper burial may not be worth the rest of the family being sent back to wherever.

That is what I'm leaning toward, too. I have not checked yet, but I'd not be surprised if the dead are often abandoned prior to border crossings in the southwest....JMO If she died accidentally, there would be no reason to take her to the ER. And if she is presented to LE or a coroner, dead, likely a criminal investigation would result.
 
68 names of missing children
32 names of children not reported missing (I assume these are the names they can't release publicly).
For a total of about 100 girls checked out in all (LE said this yesterday)

They are getting about one tip/day saying "I think Baby Doe could be X that I haven't seen lately". That is a low but unsuprising number. But it shows how difficult it will be to solve the case, especially since I don't know how they will do it without the right tip.
 
Can LE solve the case without publicity? Just investigating? Or do they need a tip that tells them who Baby Doe is? If so, how long can you keep releasing updates? It's been a month and I definitely feel like LE is running out of new things to talk about, and the case has faded from the national media (since LE thinks she's a local, maybe that doesn't matter as much). How long will the billboards stay up for? How long can we go where the average person in Massachusetts, nearby states, or anywhere in the country will hear about Baby Doe on a regular basis? I think soon enough, the investigation is going to turn into "Maybe we'll get a tip from another police department telling us that someone reported that they hadn't seen a little girl in a while".
 
With everyone talking about the mother either being scared to report an accidental death, having killed her or being dead herself, it got me thinking. If the barrel in Merrimack County with the two girls had been found before the one with the adult, would people have been saying the same?

Also, children having accidents (fatal and otherwise) are very common. Some are taken by the state, others just left behind until they eventually die and cause a scandal or old enough to run away or leave home legally.

I heard in my town (didn't make national headlines) that NINE kids, four under ten, were left behind in a house over Christmas, with mattresses, the house filled with cat poop (three cats), takeaway boxes, beer cans and bulla cakes. No prizes for guessing where the adults were! (Even worse, they were their guardians, not their parents.)

So the fact is, neglect happens more often than we like to pretend.
 
I really would like to address this "illegal" issue. Undocumented, illegal, whatever classification feels good, has no bearing on this case, IMO.
It's Massachusetts. No one ever gets deported from Massachusetts for being Illegal. The only people we deport, usually, are criminals at the end of a jail term if that was part of their sentence, but usually those people just come back.
Further, Every hospital waiting room is packed with people seeking health care who don't speak a word of English and have no idea what fear of deportation would mean to them. Their access to health care, social services, social security, EBT, etc., seems to not fall short of what their needs may be.
I don't know what it must be like thinking that tens of thousands of people are cowering in fear of being deported or discovered, LOL. When their kids get sick they go to ER, walk-in, or what have you. I see and meet these peple all the time. I have worked with them. There are some times when a person has to be turned away from a job because of lack of a SS#, but there are forms for that situation too.

A situation where a child dies, or gets sick, and gets no care, in my opinion, is more connected to criminal activity, neglect involving drug use, warrants, trafficking, etc. Those are the people who are not going to come forward. That's why the baby is in a bag.
It's not because Mom is a working mom and the baby got sick but she is illegal so we need a trash bag. That Mom would go to the nearest ER in my experience.

It's Massachusetts. I know of no cases where regular every day undocumented people have lived in fear of being deported just for being illegal. And "especially" if their kids are sick.

This is different - witness the lack of anyone coming forward. We hope that someone else would have seen that face in those pants with that blanket, where, when, under what circumstances?

Off Soap Box.

MOO

Thank you for posting this. I have been trying to figure out how to phrase it when I don't have your personal insight into the problem. I know many of my sons' friends were the children of immigrants and it was often the situation that part of the family was legal, part was undocumented, and part was born here. Nobody much cares. And yeah, it would be a rare occasion if somebody got deported for going to the police.
 
I really would like to address this "illegal" issue. Undocumented, illegal, whatever classification feels good, has no bearing on this case, IMO.

Let me restate - I don't think it was a case of "afraid to go to the doctor" - I think it was the case of an accidental or unexpected natural death where the caregivers didn't dare go to the authorities for fear of what else might be uncovered. That might be immigration, an illegal adoption, an outstanding arrest warrant, someone who's withheld the child from the other parent, prostitution, or even some sort of fringe group.

I hate to be Debbie Downer - but unless the child's DNA gets a partial match with someone in the criminal databases, I'm really starting to think we'll never find out who she is.
 
So you think her parent/s may have been in prison before?
 
Maybe someone killed the woman and her kid. If they did, it was really sick, because how can a 3-5-year-old identify someone?

I assume LE will test the DNA of the sweet baby girl and this poor women for a match or relation....

Good god, how can anyone not be missing this sweet little girl... I don't understand at all about the 'people don't wanna talk crap' - there is anonymous ways to report anything these days and I would say 95% of the population (immigrant or not) knows this. Even a junkie who knows a girl is missing from another junkie mom, would know to call someone, people have hearts, I have to believe this...

I truly think these will be a connection between this women found in river and our sweet Jane Doe. That is why there is no one looking, maybe they are from out of state, maybe they are not close with family and thats why no one is looking for this little girl to be gone, cause mommy is too.
 
So you think her parent/s may have been in prison before?

Possible - but if I'm not mistaken, even a more distant relationship could show a partial match - which would give investigators a place to start.
 
What does that even mean? I watched the video but it only says "investigators now have a DNA profile". They don't elaborate

It just means that have her DNA sequences/patterns or whatever, right? But they've been having that if they've ruled out missing girls already through DNA???
 
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