MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #8

[Linda7NJ]

Good to hear. Hoping its proven sometime soon. What they might worry about, though, is being hit with a libel suit, for making false statements on a public forum.

True -
But the comments I was referring to were the ones Proctor thought he was making in private

 

[Seattle1]

Jun 10, 2024
Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, who led the investigation into the death of John O'Keefe, read texts he sent about Karen Read at her murder trial Monday.

Just learned that Trooper Proctor was/is the lead investigator in the Brian Walshe case (murdered/dismembered his wife Ana) in their Cohasset, MA home.

After hearing his testimony today, I'm appalled that Proctor's not been suspended during the IA investigation and/or federal probe. What's up with that and why is he leading the investigation of Ana's killer?

Ana and Karen-- both successful, career, business women, are also physically similar, and I won't be surprised if Proctor hates her too. Especially given Ana was an alleged adulterer and her husband just a lowly art thief and wife killer. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Jun 10, 2024
Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, who led the investigation into the death of John O'Keefe, read texts he sent about Karen Read at her murder trial Monday.

And at about the 18:33 mark, Sgt Baros from Dighton PD testified similar to Kerry Roberts that he saw a cracked tail light with a missing piece of reflector. Baros, another credible witness with no dog in this fight-- telling only what he saw earlier in the morning before KR's SUV was in the possession of Trooper Proctor. MOO

 

[nightowl1975]

How is that not a HIPPA violation?

There is frequently much confusion over HIPPA regulations and when it applies and when it doesn’t. More info can be found here: Who has to follow HIPPA rules? but the bottom line is that friends, relatives, co-workers, news reporters, police… basically most non-medical people/businesses are NOT bound by HIPPA.

Her medical details being reported in the media would only be a HIPPA violation for the person providing the medical information if that person was part of a covered entity (i.e. her doctor or one of the nurses who treated her was the one giving the info to the news media). If the info is coming from one of her medical professionals, that’s a violation on the part of that medical professional. But if Joe Blow Citizen who happens to know Karen had a colostomy tells the media about it, that’s not a violation of HIPPA.

 

[nightowl1975]

Not sure if that's true. I had a medical problem that EMS responded to and I had to go to the hospital for period of time. I left my cellphone @ home as I was in no way able to get it before I was transported. Therefore none of my friends or neighbors knew I was in the hospital. We're a small community of locals and my neighbors were asking officers in the next few days if they knew anything about my condition and they told them I was a medical transport and they couldn't give them any further information. That's the answer I hoped for as it's NONE of anyone's business what I was transported for. That's what HIPAA is for and I'm very glad that my personal health wasn't blabbed all over town.

So again, I think this is a MAJOR violation of Karen's right to HIPAA protection! The whole world now knows about it and that is just so VERY,VERY WRONG IMO!!! I'm filled with rage that Proctor decided to gossip like a 6 yr old child about such a personal matter. I hope she sues the *advertiser censored* out of him for that!!

Furthermore cretin proctor disclosed this on his PERSONAL PHONE so it wasn't in any way done under official business and wasn't disclosed on an official document!!!

No! He disclosed this info on his personal phone to people that were not officially a part of the investigation. He disclosed this info in a malicious way in order to discredit, demean, and humiliate the defendant. He did this without any semblance to the law and did it far outside the boundaries that HIPAA protects!! It's vile and disgusting behavior from a police officer who should be held to higher standards. What he did is illegal and he should be held accountable to his vile actions!!

Had EMS in your case divulged your reason for transport, that would be a HIPPA violation because they were medical providers. If the officers had done so, it would not be a HIPPA violation because they are not your medical providers. I suspect, however, that it’s standard policy for most (all? I would hope, anyway) police forces to have a blanket policy against divulging information on calls they attend or are aware of. So the officers in your case probably were following department policy not to divulge your medical info, as well as just being decent humans. It doesn’t appear Proctor was too worried about doing either of these things.

 

[Charlot123]

Most people I know don’t worry about disparaging a killer.

OK, and here is my issue with it. I, too, believe that the conspiracy theory is far-fetched and that it is more likely that KR hit him with a car.

But the beauty of US law is that my personal opinion means nothing. There is presumption of innocence and until the jury decides the fate of the case, I have no right to call her “a killer”. A poi, my suspect, the accused. And even “beyond reasonable doubt” is not 100%, it is just a measure of probability and whether you are prepared to send a person to prison based on this very probability.

Trooper Proctor’s is no judge, prosecutor or attorney. He is not a juror. His job was investigative. She was not a killer to him, or shouldn’t have been. Not even the defendant then, a poi, a suspect.

Now in his texts, there were two gross problems, beyond the language itself

- he expressed his opinion of her as the culpable side;
- he indicated that a Boston cop’s house was off-limits;

In short, he was not impartial.

It is really not good for the CW. It is horrible for potentially there being no justice for JO.

He is a 42-year-old man, OMG. He had no business putting it in texts.

 

[Charlot123]

Part of the reason Proctor was so fatal was not just that he sunk himself but also the rest of the troopers in his office.

We learned today that Proctor sent several of those texts namecalling Karen and mentioning nudes to his superiors, including Yuri Bukhenik. And Yuri even liked a couple of the texts.

Knowing this, jurors will have to look back at Bukhenik's testimony with more skepticism.

There is a thing about liking or texts.
In me, it would be a polite way to show that I read it, or half of it. Sort of, “OK, now let’s get back to business.” I don’t know about other people.

 

[Moonstrawbs]

True -
But the comments I was referring to were the ones Proctor thought he was making in private

The fact you think they're acceptable blows my mind. The hyperfixation is real here.

 

[Soulmagent]

There is frequently much confusion over HIPPA regulations and when it applies and when it doesn’t. More info can be found here: Who has to follow HIPPA rules? but the bottom line is that friends, relatives, co-workers, news reporters, police… basically most non-medical people/businesses are NOT bound by HIPPA.

Her medical details being reported in the media would only be a HIPPA violation for the person providing the medical information if that person was part of a covered entity (i.e. her doctor or one of the nurses who treated her was the one giving the info to the news media). If the info is coming from one of her medical professionals, that’s a violation on the part of that medical professional. But if Joe Blow Citizen who happens to know Karen had a colostomy tells the media about it, that’s not a violation of HIPPA.

A person would assume that if the health information is provided to a person due to an occupational knowledge ,it would be a violation to disclose . I know that is not how it works but it should.
I recently had my employer disclose private information ,he should not of but I was aware he was gonna so ,he didnt break my heart or anything but it was rude.

 

[BrownRice]

There is a thing about liking or texts.
In me, it would be a polite way to show that I read it, or half of it. Sort of, “OK, now let’s get back to business.” I don’t know about other people.

Not in my world. I’m in a different profession, but if I wrote texts like that (disparaging another person, using vulgar language, bringing up someone’s medical condition etc) and a recipient was my supervisor, they’d pull me aside and tell me to knock it off and remind me how unprofessional it is. And if I did it again, I’d probably be written up.

 

[Linda7NJ]

OK, and here is my issue with it. I, too, believe that the conspiracy theory is far-fetched and that it is more likely that KR hit him with a car.

But the beauty of US law is that my personal opinion means nothing. There is presumption of innocence and until the jury decides the fate of the case, I have no right to call her “a killer”. A poi, my suspect, the accused. And even “beyond reasonable doubt” is not 100%, it is just a measure of probability and whether you are prepared to send a person to prison based on this very probability.

Trooper Proctor’s is no judge, prosecutor or attorney. He is not a juror. His job was investigative. She was not a killer to him, or shouldn’t have been. Not even the defendant then, a poi, a suspect.

Now in his texts, there were two gross problems, beyond the language itself

- he expressed his opinion of her as the culpable side;
- he indicated that a Boston cop’s house was off-limits;

In short, he was not impartial.

It is really not good for the CW. It is horrible for potentially there being no justice for JO.

He is a 42-year-old man, OMG. He had no business putting it in texts.

Fair enough -

I believe he started out impartial but the evidence, his experience and instincts all pointed to her culpability. He discussed that privately.
I think when police arrest a suspect and all the evidence leads to that person. They’re allowed to form a personal opinion.

Police are human beings, not robots. They should be allowed to have private conversations. The texts revealed no plan to frame Karen and zero collusion for anyone else to either.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Was the straw tested for DNA?

There was Michael O’Keefe DNA on the taillight

 

[seekingjustice**]

Fair enough -

I believe he started out impartial but the evidence, his experience and instincts all pointed to her culpability. He discussed that privately.
I think when police arrest a suspect and all the evidence leads to that person. They’re allowed to form a personal opinion.

Police are human beings, not robots. They should be allowed to have private conversations. The texts revealed no plan to frame Karen and zero collusion for anyone else to either.

I agree with you. The text messages revealed no plot to implicate KR, nor any cooperation with others. Given that the police need to establish an individual's guilt or innocence to decide whether to press charges, it's likely that he holds a personal opinion on the case, in my opinion. And I believe his personal opinion would be even firmer given that the victim is also a fellow police officer.

While I personally find MP's choice of language extremely distasteful, it doesn't alter the fact that all indications suggest KR collided with him using her vehicle.

My dilemma lies in the insufficiency of evidence to work out whether the incident was accidental or deliberate. I'm hoping the reconstruction specialists will provide clarity on this matter.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree with you. The text messages revealed no plot to implicate KR, nor any cooperation with others. Given that the police need to establish an individual's guilt or innocence to decide whether to press charges, it's likely that he holds a personal opinion on the case, in my opinion. And I believe his personal opinion would be even firmer given that the victim is also a fellow police officer.

While I personally find MP's choice of language extremely distasteful, it doesn't alter the fact that all indications suggest KR collided with him using her vehicle.

My dilemma lies in the insufficiency of evidence to work out whether the incident was accidental or deliberate. I'm hoping the reconstruction specialists will provide clarity on this matter.

I agree with every word

I think she knew she hit him and left the scene.
I don’t think she deliberately hit him. I’ve seen no evidence of that.

 

[TTF14]

There was Michael O’Keefe DNA on the taillight

I was asking about the straw.

 

[Wishbone]

There was Michael O’Keefe DNA on the taillight

If you are talking about the hair that was laying on the car, it was originally determined by dna testing not to be human. But if you are talking about what I have heard is new mtdna testing then that is a different matter. My understanding is testimony and clear results of percentage of possible match have not come to light yet. In addition, I have doubts to begin with about the hair laying on the car, not affixed to it, surviving the elements and miles it would have had to endure. If it is some other dna then I am not aware of it. JMOO

 

[Curiousobserver]

I agree with every word

I think she knew she hit him and left the scene.
I don’t think she deliberately hit him. I’ve seen no evidence of that.

Also in this camp.

Zero evidence of a conspiracy.
Lots of evidence of terrible police work and despicable police officers who should be fired.
A good defense attorney is going to tear this case to shreds and we are about to see that.
A good prosecutor would have known not to touch this with a 10 foot pole.

 

[ch_13]

There is a thing about liking or texts.
In me, it would be a polite way to show that I read it, or half of it. Sort of, “OK, now let’s get back to business.” I don’t know about other people.

Whether he actually "liked" the text or whether he was just acknowledging it is immaterial. The important point is that it shows he read the text and despite being Proctor's superior, did not reprimand him or tell him never to send anything like that again.

It seems that sending and receiving these sorts of texts is part and parcel of how the troopers in that office acted. And it extended to both the rank-and-file and to the higher-ups.

 

[Wishbone]

MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

didnt she at one point claim she had cancer or a brain tumor ?? Something pretty major IIRC?

KR's attorney David Yannetti cited her health issues at a court hearing.

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In court Wednesday, her attorney argued for lower bail of $5,000, saying Read has multiple medical issues, including a brain tumor, multiple sclerosis and colitis. The judge however said Read "has plenty of reason to flee" and ordered her held on $50,000 bail.

Karen Read Free On $50,000 Bail In Death Of Boyfriend Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe

Karen Read, the girlfriend of Boston Police officer John O'Keefe, was released on $50,000 bail Wednesday, shortly after she appeared in court to face charges related to his death.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ch_13]

Also in this camp.

Zero evidence of a conspiracy.
Lots of evidence of terrible police work and despicable police officers who should be fired.
A good defense attorney is going to tear this case to shreds and we are about to see that.
A good prosecutor would have known not to touch this with a 10 foot pole.

Have you seen the evidence about the glass on Karen's bumper that does not match John O'Keefe's cocktail glass?

It hasn't gotten a lot of attention in the media for some reason, but to me it's the closest thing we have to a smoking gun. I discuss it here:

MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

https://people.com/crime/professor-accused-hitting-cop-boyfriend-car-leaving-him-die-new-evidence/ Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the January 2022 death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend...

www.websleuths.com

People are anticipating Jackson's cross of Proctor over all the texts. But I really want to know what Proctor says about the glass he claims to have found. How did he randomly find a single piece of glass at 34 Fairview that matches the one on Karen's car? Where did it come from? If he planted it, then it's direct evidence of a coverup.