MA - Remains of 3 infants found, Erika Murray charged, Blackstone, Sept 2014

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Here is another link with a short video clip of RR in court asking for another 30 days due to cashing out his 401K to hire an Atty.

http://www.turnto10.com/story/27367003/man-who-lived-in-squalid-blackstone-house-speaks-out

RR states he is "crushed she would do that" and ends with "I'm crumbling".

Interesting how he has said he has spent 99% of his "awake" time in the basement. Apparently his "sleep" time was upstairs (according to other reports) next to EM.
 
The two youngest survivors were found covered in their own feces, malnourished and severely neglected. They did not appear to have ever been taken outside the house.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-horrors-mother-speaks-out.html#ixzz3IyISESup
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I wonder how often those babies were left completely alone in that house? We know for sure the family did things together, RR worked (presumably) a full-time job, and the oldest children went to school. EM had her crafting, clearly went shopping & to yard sales, etc. The media has put so many different spins on these two. RR as the vicitim...EM as the victim. The only victims in this situation are those children, living and deceased.

As for RR not be "allowed out of the basement" -- I call BS! If he was treated that poorly, who purchased or brought all of the new electronics into the house?!? EM didn't work. If he thought the living conditions were 'inhuman', how does he explain the deplorable conditions of the basement?!? If he never saw the 5 month-old, why are there diaper packages down in the basement?

Question:

IMAGE 31/80 - red wall; any thoughts on where this is located in the house? Looks like the flooring and dry wall has been removed.
 
The two youngest survivors were found covered in their own feces, malnourished and severely neglected. They did not appear to have ever been taken outside the house.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-horrors-mother-speaks-out.html#ixzz3IyISESup
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I wonder how often those babies were left completely alone in that house? We know for sure the family did things together, RR worked (presumably) a full-time job, and the oldest children went to school. EM had her crafting, clearly went shopping & to yard sales, etc. The media has put so many different spins on these two. RR as the vicitim...EM as the victim. The only victims in this situation are those children, living and deceased.

As for RR not be "allowed out of the basement" -- I call BS! If he was treated that poorly, who purchased or brought all of the new electronics into the house?!? EM didn't work. If he thought the living conditions were 'inhuman', how does he explain the deplorable conditions of the basement?!? If he never saw the 5 month-old, why are there diaper packages down in the basement?

Question:

IMAGE 31/80 - red wall; any thoughts on where this is located in the house? Looks like the flooring and dry wall has been removed.

ETA Question #2: Have they confirmed paternity on the 2 youngest children, or just going on EM's word?
 
Good questions Sapo!

Any idea what the room is on the back side of the bathroom? A door opening can be seen in pic 24/80.

I am wondering if #31/80 the red wall is what was exposed once they removed the drywall - maybe the original paint prior to the drywall (this home was built in the 1850's IIRC).
 
Good questions Sapo!

Any idea what the room is on the back side of the bathroom? A door opening can be seen in pic 24/80.

I am wondering if #31/80 the red wall is what was exposed once they removed the drywall - maybe the original paint prior to the drywall (this home was built in the 1850's IIRC).

It's not clear what they actually used the room for, but I think the space on the back side of the bathroom (far right corner of the house) is:

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Other corner of the back corner room (SEE BIOHAZARD BOXES ON BACK DECK THROUGH WINDOW?):

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And I think this is the front right corner of the house, if facing it (LIVING ROOM)...first time to see a fireplace:
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The last pic ^^ - isn't that the couch turned over? Does that look like a baby gate or a railing up (clothing drying rack) against the back wall?

I honestly don't understand why the couch is turned over, beds were shoved up on end against walls, drawers are pulled out and tossed askew, tv's and electronics tossed anywhere, and in some cases it is stacked to the ceiling. Someone upthread mentioned it might have been LEO that did that - but by the looks of the pics - there are papers laying on the top (backside) of the couch. This is the same with EM's bed in the bedroom.

It seems that no value is placed on anything, (with the exception of the hope chest in EM's room).

The home appears to be heated by electric baseboard heaters. I am amazed there was never a fire given all of the trash shoved up into those heaters.
 
I think this is the diaper box in the basement (on the round table)
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#78/80 the red/white/blue wrapped object - any guesses on what this might be?
 
Sorry everyone, I'm late to the game, can someone hook me up with a link to the pics?

Thanks in advance.
 
Just some random things I've wondered about and just wanted to note.

Aug. 28, 2014 - The first thing I wondered was where EM was when the neighbor arrived. Nothing was mentioned about RR, nor did I think about it at the time. I assumed he wasn't there. However, I wonder if he showed up at some point or if he was in the basement when neighbor/police arrived. On the police report his vehicle is noted as is the woman that called the police. EM is listed but shown as "Active Negative".

http://jgpr.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/09/DOC_20140916131814.pdf

I don't know why I thought RR was taken into custody on a different date, but according to this story it was "at that time":

Sources tell 7News Murray's boyfriend , 37-year-old Raymond Rivera, was arrested at that time and charged with two counts of reckless endangerment.
http://www.whdh.com/story/26511374/remains-of-3-infants-found-inside-blackstone-house

If that's the case, what happened to the two counts of reckless endangerment? So those charges disappeared or were misreported? Gaaah, the city of Blackstone really hasn't handled this well IMO!

Then there are the stories of RR's "friends":

The card player and RR's former co-worker that allowed EM to babysit her infant son for several months:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...l?hootPostID=c93346736e1e5d445dc0290d80354e1e

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ead-animals/Rlti2fApL84Q65q8FDLNvO/story.html

It doesn't seem as though he was "made" to stay in the basement or that EM was physically trying to stop him.

Another thing that stands out to me is they reportedly lived at 3 St. Paul St. prior to moving into the 23 St. Paul street address. From the info I could find that appears to be an apartment building. Were there any issues with cleanliness at that address?

Something that I believe we've all questioned and wondered about is how no one could report foul odors either on the occupants themselves or from the outside of the residence. One of the friends (linked above) described RR having his clothes dry cleaned, maybe he had the children's clothing dry cleaned as well and kept them in his vehicle? My understanding is EM's mother possibly visited with the older children regularly, maybe she brought/kept fresh clothing on-hand for them? Out of all the articles, reports, police log calls - one neighbor that lived at 19 St. Paul reported the smell (assuming it was from the animal waste). Other neighbors, after the conditions inside the home were discovered several people came forward in various articles claiming they'd smelled a foul odor but attributed it to trash outside the home/animals waste. Then there is this:

"Diane Densmore, who lives a few doors down, said she and her fiance often walked by on their way to the grocery store and were struck by how the windows were always closed and the shades drawn. She said there were no fans in the windows even on the hottest days." -

http://www.whdh.com/story/26511374/remains-of-3-infants-found-inside-blackstone-house

I can't find the other stories I read regarding people mentioning the windows being covered, shades drawn, or not being opened in any way. Photos from Google taken Nov. 2012 show differently. The average temps for that area in Nov. 2012 was 47 degrees F. The highest being 66 degrees around mid-Nov. I'm not sure I'd have my windows open any of those days. lol I cannot understand how people in the apartment building next door failed to notice anything. I wonder about the "bystander effect" although that typically refers to a group.

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If you click on the link for the date on Google images, you can choose from a few dates in 2009. In those it appears the windows, we suspect belong to the children, are open.

I wondered (I may have mentioned in one of my earlier posts) whether any of the animal remains were of a dog that was in the background of a profile photo EM had on a babysitting site...Her older children were the focal point of the photo and the dog had his back end facing the camera. I thought it looked like either a pug or some type of chihuahua mix. Sadly, unless she had more the same size/color, the photo we saw in the latest set of pics appears to be that dog. I know this may not amount to a hill of beans, but they were things that were on my mind and thought I would throw out here.
 
It has been so great to read through all of your well thought out posts. This happened about 30 minutes from me and since the news broke, I have been absolutely horrified by, yet strangely drawn to, this story. I have been lurking a little bit, I must admit. I think about the kids every day and wonder how they are doing, especially the 3 year old. I just wanted to thank you all for your research, it has made following this story so much easier. I still (I'm sure like all of you) have so many questions that I know may never be answered. Just wanted to post and say this.
 
"Diane Densmore, who lives a few doors down, said she and her fiance often walked by on their way to the grocery store and were struck by how the windows were always closed and the shades drawn. She said there were no fans in the windows even on the hottest days." -

http://www.whdh.com/story/26511374/remains-of-3-infants-found-inside-blackstone-house

I can't find the other stories I read regarding people mentioning the windows being covered, shades drawn, or not being opened in any way. Photos from Google taken Nov. 2012 show differently. The average temps for that area in Nov. 2012 was 47 degrees F. The highest being 66 degrees around mid-Nov. I'm not sure I'd have my windows open any of those days. lol I cannot understand how people in the apartment building next door failed to notice anything. I wonder about the "bystander effect" although that typically refers to a group.

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If you click on the link for the date on Google images, you can choose from a few dates in 2009. In those it appears the windows, we suspect belong to the children, are open.

I'm guessing the house wasn't near as bad then as it was by August of this year. The house didn't get that way in a day or two, it's something that started slow then snowballed rapidly at some point.

That's the problem with hoarding, people get accustomed to it little by little. They accept the changes, little by little. It becomes normal, little by little.
 
It has been so great to read through all of your well thought out posts. This happened about 30 minutes from me and since the news broke, I have been absolutely horrified by, yet strangely drawn to, this story. I have been lurking a little bit, I must admit. I think about the kids every day and wonder how they are doing, especially the 3 year old. I just wanted to thank you all for your research, it has made following this story so much easier. I still (I'm sure like all of you) have so many questions that I know may never be answered. Just wanted to post and say this.

WELCOME TO WS curiouser!!!!
We are so glad you joined us and that you took the plunge for your first post! (I remember feeling extremely nervous when I first did that) :)

We are actually are really nice group of good people - pull up a chair and sit a spell. Looking forward to more posts from you!

A big shout out to others have been lurking - join us in the conversation.
 
For folks who haven't had the time to read through the thread, I thought I would make a quick reference page for links to all of the pictures. If you want to get into this case I suggest you start reading the thread around post #635 and on as that is when most of the information (and visuals) started coming out. I have kept this list and will add on as more info comes out. Hope this is helpful.

Reference list:
Appraiser information for the home – (search under K. Rivera homeowner) – 5/17/2001 last sale date for $0 (gifted to her from a family member)
http://data.visionappraisal.com/BlackstoneMA/findpid.asp?iTable=pid&pid=1051

photos:
Home exterior while being torn down – 60 pics
http://www.wcvb.com/news/home-where-babies-bodies-found-being-torn-down/29248926

Home interior – video and 17 pics
With news vid:
http://www.necn.com/news/new-england...281840111.html
44 pics

Slideshow pics:
http://www.turnto10.com/story/273214...ackstone-house

36 pics
http://www.wcvb.com/news/photos-show-true-conditions-inside-blackstone-house-of-horrors/29591396

44 pics (these may be a duplicate of previous link)
http://www.wate.com/story/27321493/new-pictures-show-conditions-in-squalid-blackstone-house

14 pics
http://www.milforddailynews.com/article/20141107/NEWS/141107012

4 pics
https://www.bostonherald.com/news_o...uthorities_release_photos_of_house_of_horrors
27 pics (many different ones here)
http://interactives.wpri.com/photom...s-/squalid-conditions-inside-blackstone-home/

more pics & a video of the demolition of the home (gives a better picture of the layout of the home)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...me-skeletons-three-babies-stashed-closet.html

pics of hazmat crew cleaning out the home & EM in court
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2014/09/erika_murrays_blackstone_home.html

video of RR’s interview with reporters (I’m crumbling)
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ed-upstairs/ChwVpzWgtYB3kfgy0Q93HN/story.html

Interview with RR (print story only)
http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/boyfriend-of-house-of-horrors-mother-speaks-out/

80 pics interior
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2014/11/photos_of_blackstone_home_wher.html

interview w/RR - video
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/11/blackstone_dad_i_m_a_crumbling_man

Confirmation RR slept with EM “steps away from the 3 y/o’s room”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...2014/11/heslam_blackstone_dad_cries_ignorance
 
i think the dad is a very weak person, weak personality. the mom, on the contrary, seems to be very strong and somewhat clever, when it comes to manipulating. in addition, judging only from the short interview of the dad, he might even be slightly mentally impaired. his head is kept down, very low voice and that strange trembling... imo there is something wrong with him. however, these things are not an excuse for him to let it all happen. he is still the father and the husband and has just as much responsability over the kids and the house. but IMO, his wife manipulated him over years and he just seems like a submissive person who would get manipulated easily. he probably got used to follow his wifes orders. so i believe him - just by gut feeling. if he would have known more, he would have had a breakdown by now and admitted everything.
obviously i could be wrong. cant wait to hear her version of the story. i keep thinking about the poor kids too, in fact everytime i look at my own kids i remember them and wonder how they are doing.

btw, can anyone explain to me what "im crumbling" means? english.is not my mother tongue and i have no idea what he is trying to say with that.

thanks to all of you for the updates and photos!
 
i think the dad is a very weak person, weak personality. the mom, on the contrary, seems to be very strong and somewhat clever, when it comes to manipulating. in addition, judging only from the short interview of the dad, he might even be slightly mentally impaired. his head is kept down, very low voice and that strange trembling... imo there is something wrong with him. however, these things are not an excuse for him to let it all happen. he is still the father and the husband and has just as much responsability over the kids and the house. but IMO, his wife manipulated him over years and he just seems like a submissive person who would get manipulated easily. he probably got used to follow his wifes orders. so i believe him - just by gut feeling. if he would have known more, he would have had a breakdown by now and admitted everything.
obviously i could be wrong. cant wait to hear her version of the story. i keep thinking about the poor kids too, in fact everytime i look at my own kids i remember them and wonder how they are doing.

btw, can anyone explain to me what "im crumbling" means? english.is not my mother tongue and i have no idea what he is trying to say with that.

thanks to all of you for the updates and photos!


It is not something I have heard people use before, but I assume he means he is "falling apart", his "world is crumbling to pieces", he feels he is no longer "whole". I think he is essentially saying he is not doing well emotionally, physically, socially, mentally, or in any other way. He is currently homeless (literally) and living out of his car waiting to cash in his retirement fund to pay for an Attorney to represent him on the marijuana charges as he has not been charged with any crimes related to the condition of the home or the children (yet). Hope this helps.
 
Welcome Curiouser_ :wagon: I look forward to your future posts.

I'd have to do the math, but I'm pretty sure there were at least 2 deceased infants by 2012 in that house. I'm not well versed in the odor, but I've read that it is pretty strong. People further away than that apartment building (practically within reaching distance) have reported decomposition odor before. I guess what I'm saying is, while the garbage/filth may not have been too bad, there were probably deceased animals and infant(s) in the home. I'm not sure if decomp odor is more overpowering than animal waste...Maybe that's why neighbors didn't distinguish? Or maybe they're like me and just haven't been exposed to decomp so they assumed it was from the animals? Either way, I guess it's a moot point now. :( I'm just so glad the friend's mom got involved instead of grabbing her kid and leaving. I don't doubt the 2 younger girls would've perished and EM would've continued to commit infanticide.

So, does anyone have theories/thoughts (since that's what we're going to be left with until new facts are released) as to why she allowed the two youngest to survive? And HOW did they survive that long? italaianWSfan made some good points in regards to RR. The reports of neighbor(s) allegedly seeing RR rock and bang his head against the wall, if true, seem indicate deeper issues. IMO, I feel EM is definitely the dominating/domineering person in this entire mess.
 
I think this is the diaper box in the basement (on the round table)
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#78/80 the red/white/blue wrapped object - any guesses on what this might be?

Yep. This is a box from Parent's Choice diapers. Maybe RR was planning to organize his space a little? <sarcasm> I thought there appeared to be a Huggies package in another view of this same image.

The red/white/blue just looks like bedding that's been removed from a bed with sheets inside IMO.
 
I am really squicked out by the video of RR. He just doesnt seem right. He seems to have some sort of mental disability.
 

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