Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 3

[luvbeaches]

I watched the same show as CarpeDiem. Don't forget the TV remote control & telephone. You should see me in a hotel room these days!

Sorry...I was hesitant about commenting on this single portion but I just couldn't contain myself!

I'm the same way. It grosses me out to think about these things. I carry a can of Lysol with me and give everything a good spray. Not that it will kill all the germs...but I've just become germaphobic these days.

I was also hesitant to comment about this...but it really pays to take precautions.

I keep hoping that when I get up in the morning, I'm going to hear some good news about Maddie.

 

[CarpeDiem]

The husband did the majority of the talking including answering questions from Gretta that were directed at Kate.

He did that when they appeared on the Today show on Friday also! Meredith asked Kate a question, she got one word out when he interrupted her and went on with what he wanted to say. That really stood out to me. However, they do seem close as a couple. Hands locked together much of the time, etc.

 

[luvbeaches]

I still find the McCann's selfish in a lot of respects about wanting their own time without making arrangements for adequate supervision for their children. If they weren't going to get a sitter, than here's a thought - don't go out!! And, this confuses me - they say they didn't want to leave the kid's with strangers (which shows knowledge of evil there and everywhere) but they were doing just that all week, each morning when they took all three of their children to the Kid's Club (day-care) at the resort.

What's the point of a family vacation when you're not spending the time as a family?

I agree.

What is the point of a family vacation if you're going to go off and leave the kids...alone? We took family vacations for years, and the kids were with us all the time. We also took vacations without the kids, but are kids were left with grandma and grandpa, not alone in a room.

 

[CarpeDiem]

I am really at a loss as to what happened to Maddie. I felt that the fathers behavior in the interview was a bit controlling. Would not answer questions such as what was the length of time from someone seeing Maddie to discovering she was missing. Also would not answer how the prep gained access to the room. Maybe I am wrong but how can answering those two question hinder the investigation?

Ugh, you nailed some of my frustration with them. They keep using this 9:30-10:00 as the beginning of the time-line, but they went out at 7:30 and none of the people whom went back to check on the kids actually went inside the apartments to eyeball them, they listened outside for crying. She could have been gone much earlier than they are leading people to believe - which is probably the real reason why they won't answer the question. That, and their English lawyers telling them not to, in the event charges are brought against them in the future.

I also think part of the reason the police aren't talking is because they are getting so many different stories not only from the McCann's but from the other's in the group. And where are those people when it comes to speaking out about Maddie and supporting the McCann's and how have their identities remained secret? How are they not suspects too? They had access, they knew Maddie was behind an unlocked door. Is it because they were all doctors too, which they were, and had the ability to lawyer up real quick? The police have a total chaotic mess on their hands.

 

[twinkiesmom]

I still find their behavior reprehensible but am less critical of them personally after seeing them. I think Gerry spoke so much because Kate was out of it.

I find their outlook unbelievably rosy on the prospects of getting her back....when the most likely scenario is never getting any answers.

I find it incomprehensible that they took the butterfly incident as evidence she was alive.

 

[MoonGoddess]

Ugh, you nailed some of my frustration with them. They keep using this 9:30-10:00 as the beginning of the time-line, but they went out at 7:30 and none of the people whom went back to check on the kids actually went inside the apartments to eyeball them, they listened outside for crying. She could have been gone much earlier than they are leading people to believe - which is probably the real reason why they won't answer the question. That, and their English lawyers telling them not to, in the event charges are brought against them in the future.

I also think part of the reason the police aren't talking is because they are getting so many different stories not only from the McCann's but from the other's in the group. And where are those people when it comes to speaking out about Maddie and supporting the McCann's and how have their identities remained secret? How are they not suspects too? They had access, they knew Maddie was behind an unlocked door. Is it because they were all doctors too, which they were, and had the ability to lawyer up real quick? The police have a total chaotic mess on their hands.

I feel very uncomfortable the way that this question is being avoided or hidden behind 'we are bound by the investigation not to go into detail'.......or words to that effect.

I'm sorry but I would like to know exactly what time someone other than the McCanns actually saw their daughter alive?

As for the 'freinds' in the party - yes amazing how they have maintained anonymity considering the unprecedented publicity surrounding the case.

This was an interesting article in the Guardian today:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2093570,00.html

A month on, this much we know about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. At about 9.30pm on the second to last evening of the family's holiday, she was asleep in their rented apartment alongside the twins, Sean and Amelie. At 10pm, when Kate McCann went to check on her children, she was not. Nothing else is certain. The police search of the area surrounding Praia da Luz, the resort from which she vanished, was wound up after a week having yielded "zero results", police said, and despite the designation of a British man in the town as an official "suspect", he has not been arrested. The only piece of information that is known came from a friend of the McCanns who was rushing to meet the couple for dinner at about 9.30pm on the night of Madeleine's disappearance when she saw a man carrying away a child in pink pyjamas.

How did she know she had "pink pyjamas" on? - it is reported in other articles she was being carried in a blanket? Also reported in other articles that the child had blonde hair. Why didnt this arouse suspicion? - especially that this freind knew just how exposed Madeleine was in that ground floor apartment with the open patio door.

I also find it somewhat strange how the McCanns Nanny back home in the UK (incidently they live in Leicestershire which is @100miles from London) is managing to stay anonymous - would have thought the tabloids would like to know what story she has to tell.

Sorry this is a bit rushed-kids moaning about the time I'm on their computer lately....... I'm very interested to read all your views tho

 

[Pinkhammer]

This report from the friend who was "rushing" to meet the McCanns for dinner has sounded fishy to me from the get-go. Probably just another well-meaning friend telling tales to get the McCanns off the hook for their negligence. You know...their adamant insistence that they had friends checking the room every half hour. There are so many holes in the McCanns timeline, as they tell it.

I wonder how many hours in total they left the children in the room while they went off on a run or down to the Tapas bar? It was 2 1/2 hours on the night Maddie went missing. If they had been doing this all week, as reported by the resort staff, that would amount to more than a dozen hours that the inncocent and defenseless toddlers were left alone.

No wonder Gerry McCann refused to answer Greta's very important question.

 

[mjak]

This is going to sound farfetched but this idea just came to me and I thought I would share it. What if an accident occured while the parents were out and they came back and found maddie deceased? Is it possible realizing the legal trouble they would be in because the children were left alone they and their friends decided to concot this abduction scenerio? The way details are comming out it almost seems to me like an attempt to make a fictious story believable. When the trail went cold and people strated question the abduction story suddently the friends story of seeing a pajama clad child wrapped in a blanket being carried by a man came out. Now its possible that LE had this infor before and its just thata the media is only reporting it now. I know how farfeched my thinking seems but I do wonder.

mjak

 

[MoonGoddess]

This is going to sound farfetched but this idea just came to me and I thought I would share it. What if an accident occured while the parents were out and they came back and found maddie deceased? Is it possible realizing the legal trouble they would be in because the children were left alone they and their friends decided to concot this abduction scenerio? The way details are comming out it almost seems to me like an attempt to make a fictious story believable. When the trail went cold and people strated question the abduction story suddently the friends story of seeing a pajama clad child wrapped in a blanket being carried by a man came out. Now its possible that LE had this infor before and its just thata the media is only reporting it now. I know how farfeched my thinking seems but I do wonder.

mjak

mjak I wonder too thats why I said I would really like to know what was the last time that someone other than the McCanns actually saw Madeleine alive......until I know that I think it safer that I keep any other possible scenarios I have in my head to myself.

It is my understanding that the McCanns insisted that description of the alleged sighting of the man be realeased and that the Portugese police had that information early on in the enquiry.

Its all an absolute mystery but I have to say something just isn't sitting right with me and the parents, but then again I just cannot contemplate they would be going to the lengths they are to 'cover up'

 

[Shazza]

This is going to sound farfetched but this idea just came to me and I thought I would share it. What if an accident occured while the parents were out and they came back and found maddie deceased? Is it possible realizing the legal trouble they would be in because the children were left alone they and their friends decided to concot this abduction scenerio? The way details are comming out it almost seems to me like an attempt to make a fictious story believable. When the trail went cold and people strated question the abduction story suddently the friends story of seeing a pajama clad child wrapped in a blanket being carried by a man came out. Now its possible that LE had this infor before and its just thata the media is only reporting it now. I know how farfeched my thinking seems but I do wonder.

mjak

I dont think anything is too far fetched when it comes to this case, the evidence that has been produced so far is far fetched, what is or what is not being done to find out what really happened is far fetched, all the different stories being told are far fetched, I think we are being thrown of track as no one knows anything, the only thing we know for sure is that children were left alone and now one of them is missing.

 

[sleuthin4fun]

I dont think anything is too far fetched when it comes to this case, the evidence that has been produced so far is far fetched, what is or what is not being done to find out what really happened is far fetched, all the different stories being told are far fetched, I think we are being thrown of track as no one knows anything, the only thing we know for sure is that children were left alone and now one of them is missing.

I don't think that in the end anything in this case would surprise me. I am not convinced that the parents are involved by any means but, I am also not convinced that they were not. The only people we have telling us that Maddie was abducted are her parents. The same parents who left her alone in an unlocked room with 2 two year olds. Do I think that an abduction is possible absolutely, do I think something else also may have happened yes I do.

Another question where are all of the friends they were with on vacation? Did they just all go home like nothing happened? Where is the family, if they have been around, I have missed it. My parents, family and friends would move heaven and earth if I had a child missing.

 

[Jdee]

I don't think that in the end anything in this case would surprise me. I am not convinced that the parents are involved by any means but, I am also not convinced that they were not. The only people we have telling us that Maddie was abducted are her parents. The same parents who left her alone in an unlocked room with 2 two year olds. Do I think that an abduction is possible absolutely, do I think something else also may have happened yes I do.

Another question where are all of the friends they were with on vacation? Did they just all go home like nothing happened? Where is the family, if they have been around, I have missed it. My parents, family and friends would move heaven and earth if I had a child missing.

Isn't it odd that none of these so called friends have been interviewed by anyone? I would like to hear what they have to say first hand.
I am so discouraged over nothing new coming out and the story is beginning to fade from the front pages...

 

[Salem]

Well - I'm not pulling any punches here. I think the parents are responsible for whatever happened to Maddie. I watched the tape of the Today Show and the interview from a few days back (the one where I thought they might have been fighting before the taping). I missed the Greta show and it is not posted on the website yet.

I believe Ms. McCann knows exactly what happened to her daughter. In the early media appearances, it is Ms. McCann that does all the talking. She has that haunted look in her eye. Then they do the BBC interview, and Mr. McCann steps up to the mike and he has pretty much stayed there ever since. I thought for sure they would tell the pope what happened, but I guess not.

I think they are now caught up in this mega reward/mega media circus and don't know what to do.

The police did interview the friends, or at least that is what we heard. But JDee is right, it is very odd that we have not seen any of them on TV or heard from them in newspaper interviews. Why are they being protected? It seems they have disappeared. And someone mentioned the Nanny they have at home. Don't you think it would be a great human interest story to hear why she did not go to Portugal with the McCanns to look after the children while they dined? At this point, with what little information is coming from the authorities, the media should be scrambling for any NEW angle they can spin on the story, right?

Which countries don't have extradiction agreements with Portugal?

Salem

 

[Salem]

This is going to sound farfetched but this idea just came to me and I thought I would share it. What if an accident occured while the parents were out and they came back and found maddie deceased? Is it possible realizing the legal trouble they would be in because the children were left alone they and their friends decided to concot this abduction scenerio? The way details are comming out it almost seems to me like an attempt to make a fictious story believable. When the trail went cold and people strated question the abduction story suddently the friends story of seeing a pajama clad child wrapped in a blanket being carried by a man came out. Now its possible that LE had this infor before and its just thata the media is only reporting it now. I know how farfeched my thinking seems but I do wonder.

mjak

I think this is very plausable. The only hitch I see is that there were 7 other people. I hope and pray that out of 7 people, at least one would stand up and do the right thing.

Salem

 

[Shazza]

Well - I'm not pulling any punches here. I think the parents are responsible for whatever happened to Maddie. I watched the tape of the Today Show and the interview from a few days back (the one where I thought they might have been fighting before the taping). I missed the Greta show and it is not posted on the website yet.

I believe Ms. McCann knows exactly what happened to her daughter. In the early media appearances, it is Ms. McCann that does all the talking. She has that haunted look in her eye. Then they do the BBC interview, and Mr. McCann steps up to the mike and he has pretty much stayed there ever since. I thought for sure they would tell the pope what happened, but I guess not.

I think they are now caught up in this mega reward/mega media circus and don't know what to do.

The police did interview the friends, or at least that is what we heard. But JDee is right, it is very odd that we have not seen any of them on TV or heard from them in newspaper interviews. Why are they being protected? It seems they have disappeared. And someone mentioned the Nanny they have at home. Don't you think it would be a great human interest story to hear why she did not go to Portugal with the McCanns to look after the children while they dined? At this point, with what little information is coming from the authorities, the media should be scrambling for any NEW angle they can spin on the story, right?

Which countries don't have extradiction agreements with Portugal?

Salem

Well said Salem, you bring to the fore some valid questions that sadly I dont think we will ever know the answers. There are definitely cover ups happening with this case, lets hope someone comes forth and shines some light on the disappearance of Madelaine, this would be something I would never be able to live with if I knew more, someone knows something, lets hope they do the right thing.

 

[meowy]

If they tell the pope anything that may incriminate them, is he obligated to tell the police? Or does it fall under special client/pope privlidges that he can keep secret? I'm not trying to be stupid, just seen stuff like that with the client/priest on Law and Order hehe.. wasn't sure if that stuff was true or not that htey will keep it secret.

 

[Shazza]

If they tell the pope anything that may incriminate them, is he obligated to tell the police? Or does it fall under special client/pope privlidges that he can keep secret? I'm not trying to be stupid, just seen stuff like that with the client/priest on Law and Order hehe.. wasn't sure if that stuff was true or not that htey will keep it secret.

I think if they were in a confession booth he would not be able to reveal what he was told due to private or confidentiality laws, but they were in public so I would think anything that was said between them is okay to be made public to the LE or media if asked and there was information that would help the case.

 

[MoonGoddess]

Well - I'm not pulling any punches here. I think the parents are responsible for whatever happened to Maddie. I watched the tape of the Today Show and the interview from a few days back (the one where I thought they might have been fighting before the taping). I missed the Greta show and it is not posted on the website yet.

I believe Ms. McCann knows exactly what happened to her daughter. In the early media appearances, it is Ms. McCann that does all the talking. She has that haunted look in her eye. Then they do the BBC interview, and Mr. McCann steps up to the mike and he has pretty much stayed there ever since. I thought for sure they would tell the pope what happened, but I guess not.

I think they are now caught up in this mega reward/mega media circus and don't know what to do.

The police did interview the friends, or at least that is what we heard. But JDee is right, it is very odd that we have not seen any of them on TV or heard from them in newspaper interviews. Why are they being protected? It seems they have disappeared. And someone mentioned the Nanny they have at home. Don't you think it would be a great human interest story to hear why she did not go to Portugal with the McCanns to look after the children while they dined? At this point, with what little information is coming from the authorities, the media should be scrambling for any NEW angle they can spin on the story, right?

Which countries don't have extradiction agreements with Portugal?

Salem

I applaud your bravery Salem, I truly do.

I agree that the body language between the parents is odd to say the least.

I wish I had more time to post but I am going out for the day today.

Just to say I think the Papal visit could have been their way of seeking ultimate redemption - albeit subconciously

 

[Jayelles]

Vernon Coleman has been writing articles and columns for national newspapers since 1964. Over the last twenty years, he's written columns for the Daily Star, The Sun, Sunday Express, Planet on Sunday and The People, and has contributed over 5,000 articles, columns and reviews to 100 leading British publications including the Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph, Guardian, Observer, Sunday Times, Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, Daily Express, Woman, Womans Own, Punch and Spectator. His columns and articles have also appeared in hundreds of leading magazines and newspapers throughout the rest of the world.

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/main.htm

Are Madeleine McCann's Parents Guilty Of Neglect? (And Is This Really The Biggest News Story In Britain?)

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Vernon Coleman [/FONT]


Not every journalist in the UK is sypmathetic to the McCanns.

Vernon Coleman is perhaps best known for his objections to vaccinations, his support for animal rights activists and his anti-Americans rants.

He is the Author of "America - Rogue Nation". He blames America for the world's ills. Perhaps this will put his opinions on the McCann's into some perspective for you.

He is regarded as a nut here.

 

[Shazza]

Vernon Coleman is perhaps best known for his objections to vaccinations, his support for animal rights activists and his anti-Americans rants.

He is the Author of "America - Rogue Nation". He blames America for the world's ills. Perhaps this will put his opinions on the McCann's into some perspective for you.

He is regarded as a nut here.

In this case I think he hit the nail right on the head. There are a lot of people asking the same question, and I am one of them.