Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #15

[Betty_Boop88]

Someone got an idea what that thing is? Is it a kind of a barrel or what?

More likely just a standard bucket.
A metal barrel wouldn’t chip the way the one in the skip has.

 

[SuperdadV8]

More likely just a standard bucket.
A metal barrel wouldn’t chip the way the one in the skip has.

Sorry, meant that thing!

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Sorry, meant that thing!

Apologies! I saw the colour blue and thought you meant the bucket lol.
I’ll be honest, I just thought that was a tree trunk, but I’ve no idea why there would be steel around it.

 

[MENDEL]

So:
- From 02:00 and 08:00hrs of May 4th, the Portimao sniffer dogs got to work. These dogs are actually patrol dogs.
- At 08:00 four S&R dogs from Queluz started to operate.
- At 23:00 eight specialised dogs from PdL were brought in
- And so on and so forth.
Did these dogs only search outdoors? I seem to have understood that from reading the Portuguese version? But is that correct?

After checking some PJ files where dogs are mentioned it seems they only worked outdoors even though they were within apartment 5A.

I think any indoors job would be meaningless as MM had been there for days. No big deal finding her scent inside.

 

[NY90]

Sorry, meant that thing!

That looks like an oil drum like you have pictured. The other bits of metal could be vehicle chassis including suspension and possibly metal brake lines.

 

[MENDEL]

Looks like a steel drum. Can be used to store oil, or, perhaps, who knows, Diesel

 

[SuperdadV8]

That looks like an oil drum like you have pictured. The other bits of metal could be vehicle chassis including suspension and possibly metal brake lines.

Maybe for a T3 Westfalia, so he couldn't claim, thats not his garbage and he didn't know about the cellar...

 

[Dlk79]

Sorry, meant that thing!

Looks like a section of sewerage pipe to me.

 

[Chiatos]

Looks like a section of sewerage pipe to me.

But this one (sewage pipe) is made of concrete.
The drum is made of metal.

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to the width of the skip by 1.7 meters, it should have about the hight of a oildrum or barrel. To mee it looks like weathered metal, yes.

But a usual barrel aint high enough with 880 centimeters.

Stahl-Spundfass, 216,5 Liter, innen roh

 

[Dlk79]

But this one (sewage pipe) is made of concrete.
The drum is made of metal.

Was just giving an illustration of the shape. Drainage pipes can be made of metal, concrete or plastic. Looks too long and thin to be a barrel.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

In this pic from a slightly different perspective, it does look more like piping to me. As @Dlk79 says, it’s very long and thin looking.

 

[Dlk79]

In this pic from a slightly different perspective, it does look more like piping to me. As @Dlk79 says, it’s very long and thin looking.

It was mentioned during the search that divers were spotted on the river nearby. If it is some sort of pipe I wonder if it led there..?

 

[Monic]

Hi I am new here, and my English is not so good..

About the dogs, in the beginning Pj's used rescue dogs, finding missing people.

Later end of July the cadaver and blood surch dogs came from England. These dogs surch the apartment's and the car.

In the time between, other tourists stayed in the apartments.
It took 3 months, that the real dogs could do their jobs

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to L.E. sources from BILD-reporters, the operation at the allotment was heading for forensic evidence, said the SUN.

If that rules out as a true story....WOW! Than maybe it had been cadaver dogs that were barking at the site.

Madeleine cops searching Christian B’s cellars 'for key evidence of MURDER'

 

[Anxala]

Lot's of cagey answers from Fülscher. Still missing the "My client is innocent!"-Phrase. Instead of it just a repeating "Just prove it!"

There could be a lot between the lines IMO.

EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer says Madeleine McCann suspect will never co-operate with police

To be fair though, that's his job. And since neither he nor his client have been furnished with the alleged 'concrete evidence', held by the LE, linking him definitively to MM's disappearance, I'm not really seeing anything unusual or cagey here in his responses.

 

[Dlk79]

But this one (sewage pipe) is made of concrete.
The drum is made of metal.

Some similar type designs in cast iron.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Some similar type designs in cast iron.

Strange thing. Why keeping this in a small cellar. Maybe as an entrance? Would like to know, how deep underground it was. These pipes sometimes got ladders inside, to get entrance to sewers e.g.. He looks pretty skinny, even did that in 2007!

 

[Anxala]

Someone got an idea what that thing is? Is it a kind of a barrel or what?

Not sure but it looks like a chimney pot to me. Possibly old factory-type ones?

I have a number of them and that one looks like a couple I have.

 

[Miss_Paula]

Will the prime suspect be released from prison soon?

My attempt to explain german law

Next Thursday, the appeal of the suspect Christian B. will be heard before the European Court of Justice. This will decide whether the suspect is likely to be released soon.

I have noticed in the English press that there is often confusion about the current legal situation regarding Christian B.

I would therefore like to briefly explain the situation to you:
(now there is a lot to read, sorry - the context is very complex)

1) Christian B. is currently serving a sentence (1 year 9 months) in prison for drug trafficking (convicted in 2011). Two thirds of this sentence was served in June 2020, so that he can apply for early release under German law. (He did so, then withdrew it and immediately afterwards resubmitted it last week. I can explain details on request).

2) In December 2019, he was convicted to seven years' imprisonment for raping the then 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz in 2005 - on the basis of his place of residence and his registration address in 2019, the court in Braunschweig had jurisdiction.

His lawyers appealed against this sentence - for a somewhat complicated reason. In order to explain this, I have to go back:

a) The 2011 drug trafficking court judgment was suspended on parole.
b) In June 2017, Christian B. was arrested in Portugal with a European arrest warrant and extradited to Germany. The reason for this was the execution of a sentence for sexual abuse of a child in Braunschweig. He served the sentence.
c) As a result of this sentence, the parole - i.e. the suspension of imprisonment - from the 2011 drug sentence was cancelled - he was to serve the 21 months accordingly.
d) He escaped this new imprisonment by fleeing to Italy - where he was arrested again in September 2018 and transferred to Germany. This was followed by his re-arrest, for which he has been serving his sentence ever since (1).

During this imprisonment the rape trial and conviction took place last December (2).

Reasons for appeal:

Christian B's lawyers are of the opinion that Germany should not have brought him to court at all, because the original extradition in 2017 from Portugal was exclusively related to the execution of the sentence for child abuse (b).

The basis of this legal position is the so-called European 'Speciality Principle'. According to this, "a person transferred by a Member State on the basis of an European arrest warrant may not be prosecuted or sentenced or subjected to any measure involving deprivation of liberty for an offence other than that for which the accused was made prior”.

In fact, this is a legally serious reason and an extremely difficult matter. In April 2020, the Federal Court of Justice (the highest judicial instance in Germany) responsible for such cases dealt with the appeal. Its Federal Prosecutor General then referred the question for a preliminary ruling to the European Court of Justice based in Luxembourg, the supreme court of the European Union.

And there, on Thursday, 6 August from 9.30 a.m. CEST, it is now to be heard and decided whether Germany was allowed to bring the accused to trial and sentence him at all.

Here in Germany, of course, many people are eagerly awaiting the outcome, especially because it is not clear to a layman (as me) why a German citizen should not be sentenced by a court of law in this country.

As soon as I know the outcome of the trial in Luxembourg, I will report to you here in the forum. And I hope with this paper I have given you a little argumentation help when you discuss it with friends afterwards.

Greetings from the North Sea coast
Paula

(Excuse my poor English)

The decision of the Federal Court, 21. April 2020 (in German)
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/showPd...e&mode=lst&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=12079248