Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

[mrjitty]

Is this from you looking over the full German text, @mrjitty? Is there ambiguity in it?

To me it means at the time of writing, they don't know who the person is

 

[Betty_Boop88]

To me it means at the time of writing, they don't know who the person is

Thanks!

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The Casio Exilim was the one that was reported as “confiscated” by LE, and apparently used to take photos of his abuse of his ex’s daughter in 2013. I don’t know that we have the make of camera that was “destroyed”.

Madeleine McCann suspect Brueckner 'broke into hotel rooms and flats on Algarve'

Madeleine McCann prime suspect was found with secret stash of 391 child *advertiser censored* photos and 68 videos | Daily Mail Online

I am probably wrong but I thought discussions about this make and model of camera were being discussed prior to the info about ex-girlfriend’s daughter being released. See below from thread 9.

photographer4Well-Known Member
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Casio Exilim EX-Z850 (from a police document in a Spiegel video report).
Casio Exilim EX-Z850 Review

This model was able to do photos and videos with several hours battery life. It even had a built in light for low light stills and video. Would have sold for about $400 USD in 2006.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Me with this case now.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Me with this case now.

I lost too! Irrespective of the camera model, I think my prior comment about metadata matches on footage/images containing MM and other footage containing CB, perhaps explains some of HCW’s cryptic communication.

Please assume there is footage/images of MM but there is nobody else in the images and the location cannot be identified. Please also assume that there are other photos/footage of CB where the make and model of the camera and other key information (especially the date) from the EXIF data matches the MM footage, this may be part of the “material” evidence HCW speaks of.

This theory would explain more of HCW’s communication if the images/footage of MM show her deceased. I can’t understand though why CB would have images/footage exclusively of her dead - that doesn’t make much sense to me.

This could obviously be b0110cks but having it pulled apart to get closer to something that might be right is why I’m ... no so that I can be right.

 

[Sharkbite]

I don't seem to remember this case being mentioned about a 15 year old girl disappearing from Malaga Jan 01 2008. My first thoughts were the girl that MS mentions.

“New evidence has come to light and it has set a new direction in the police investigation. <----This was in 2013

Suspect identified in missing Amy Fitzpatrick case

ETA
A quick search on this forum brings up a brief mention in 2008
Media Links ONLY - No Discussion

She actually has her own WS topic
Spain - Amy Fitzpatrick, 15, Malaga, 1 January 2008

 

[MENDEL]

Just scrubbed through the ITV doc quickly there (only watched the HCW interviews and a whole lot of ads) :

At 29:00 - HCW talks about how the phone data was made available to German LE from British LE.

29:36 - States they looked at the phone number belonging to CB in May 2007 and by cross checking with phone data provided were able to find a match.
“So we know the phone we linked to the suspect was connected to the phone mast near the OC at the time. That’s why we think that our suspect was at the scene of the crime when it took place.” (HCW)

A journo driving through PdL then explains the mast is 1 minute downhill from OC resort.

38:25 : “We want the other person to come forward and tell us who they were talking to. The data only shows the phone was there, not who used it. That’s why the other person on the call would be so important to us. They could tell us who they spoke to, possibly our suspect. In that regard, it could lead to a conviction.” (HCW)

At 39:10, some other dude is talking about how if the person comes forward they would be incriminating themselves and could possibly face a 10 year prison sentence, so the chances of them coming forward is low.

Thanks, Betty. Nice transcript.

That info about 1min. from OC is meaningless as what counts is coverage and this is large enough, not less than 500m-1Km.

The dude is right and I think they haven't considered that or at least they didn't make it public. If there is any guarantee caller won't be charged. If caller is connected to MM's case there's no possible guarantee and they will only have their statement if they can use coercive ways.

I agree with Loobyloo that thing about a clue from an OC employee is unlikely.

 

[mrjitty]

HB first told Scotland Yard about CB's involvement in 2017, SY are still treating it as missing persons and not a murder investigation. This suggests that LE have a confession from somebody else about the murder OR visual/audio evidence. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the young lad he groomed at the kiosk who went on to attempt a heinous crime himself.

I think this is a good observation

As CB was in the german jurisdiction, they referred it to the germans who maybe found a better witness?

 

[MENDEL]

I wonder if any German nationals could give us an exact translation of the following, taken from the BKA page:

“Darüber hinaus nutzte er im fraglichen Tatzeitraum mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit die portugiesische Mobilfunknummer + 351 912 730 680. Mit einer bislang unbekannten Person wurde am 03.05.2007 zu einer tatrelevanten Zeit im Bereich von Praia da Luz ein Telefonat geführt. Der Gesprächsteilnehmer nutzte hierbei die portugiesische Rufnummer + 351 916 510 683. Der Nutzer dieser Nummer kommt als wichtiger Zeuge in Betracht, hielt sich während des Telefonats aber nicht in dem Bereich auf.”

On Google Chrome the translation reads as:

“In addition, he used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the period in question with a probability bordering on certainty . A telephone call was made to a previously unknown person on May 3rd, 2007 at a relevant time in the area of Praia da Luz. The interlocutor used the Portuguese number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered to be an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.”

Does the German truly translate as “previously unknown”???

I think they mean "so far unknown" but let's wait for Super.

ETA: now I see Super already pronounced "still unknown".

 

[Sharkbite]

I don't seem to remember this case being mentioned about a 15 year old girl disappearing from Malaga Jan 01 2008. My first thoughts were the girl that MS mentions.

“New evidence has come to light and it has set a new direction in the police investigation. <----This was in 2013

Suspect identified in missing Amy Fitzpatrick case

ETA
A quick search on this forum brings up a brief mention in 2008
Media Links ONLY - No Discussion

She actually has her own WS topic
Spain - Amy Fitzpatrick, 15, Malaga, 1 January 2008

Just to add.....

From what I can work out on Google Earth she went missing about 900 meters from the free trailer/camper van parking site listed here. This site is great for finding where the 'free' travellers hide them selves away.
Cala de Mijas

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think they mean "so far unknown" but let's wait for Super.

ETA: now I see Super already pronounced "still unknown".

In addition, he used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the period in question with a probability bordering on certainty (suspected of using that number, almost certainly) . A phone call was made to a still unknown person (at the time of making the appeal public) on May 3, 2007 at a relevant time in the area of Praia da Luz. The interlocutor used the Portuguese number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered to be an important witness, but was not in the area during the call.

 

[Tekno]

Logo: HERZOG?

I found this re. Herzog.

 

[Lilly b]

I don't seem to remember this case being mentioned about a

I don't seem to remember this case being mentioned about a 15 year old girl disappearing from Malaga Jan 01 2008. My first thoughts were the girl that MS mentions.

“New evidence has come to light and it has set a new direction in the police investigation. <----This was in 2013

Suspect identified in missing Amy Fitzpatrick case

ETA
A quick search on this forum brings up a brief mention in 2008
Media Links ONLY - No Discussion

She actually has her own WS topic
Spain - Amy Fitzpatrick, 15, Malaga, 1 January 2008

Just to add.....

From what I can work out on Google Earth she went missing about 900 meters from the free trailer/camper van parking site listed here. This site is great for finding where the 'free' travellers hide them selves away.
Cala de Mijas
View attachment 264348

There's quite a lot of up dates on this in UK news, seem to think connections to cartels in Spain, was trying send a link through

 

[Lilly b]

Amy 'made it home before she disappeared' - pal who last saw her
Mum calls for Spanish cops to look into Maddie suspect

1
Missing teenager Amy Fitzpatrick with the pink Nokia phone
Conor Feehan
July 20 2020 02:30 AM

Missing Dublin teen Amy Fitzpatrick made it back to her Spanish home before she disappeared on New Year's Day 12 years ago, her friend who was the last known person to have seen her alive believes.

And it was an interview she subsequently saw on the Late Late Show that convinced her that Amy did not come to harm on her way home, which has been the main line of inquiry in the investigation.

Interview

Amy had spent the night babysitting with her pal Ashley Rose in Riviera del Sol near Mijas Costa in Malaga before leaving at 10pm on January 1, 2008.

Amy's mother Audrey Fitzpatrick, and stepfather Dave Mahon, believe she never made it home, but Ashley says that Audrey's Late Late Show interview in May that year has convinced her that Amy must have made it back to the house at some point that night.

In the interview, Audrey shows Pat Kenny Amy's lightpink Nokia phone, and Ashley and her mother Debbie are adamant that Amy had that phone in her possession when she left their house.

"It looks to me like Amy made it home. She had that phone in our house, and then her mother had it in the interview," she told the Herald from Spain.

The Nokia handset was later reported to have been stolen in a burglary at Audrey Fitzpatrick's home.

"Amy had no credit for the phone, but she used it to listen to music on it, and her friends' contact details were on it too," Ashley said.

"I remember she used the phone to access her mother's number on New Year's Eve in our house and rang the number from our house," Ashley said.

"It was later I saw a recording of the interview on the Late Late Show, and I thought 'Amy had it (the phone) when she left our house'. I've told the Guardia Civil here but nobody has followed it up or taken it seriously," she added.

In the interview on the Late Late show on May 16, 2008, then hosted by Pat Kenny, Audrey explained it was January 3 that year when she realised Amy was missing because she knew she had been visiting Ashley, and Audrey thought she was still with her.

"I leave the back door open because she always forgets her key," she told Pat Kenny.

Mr Kenny then takes out the pink-faced Nokia and shows it to the camera and the audience. "She didn't have it with her?" he asked Audrey.

"No, she forgot it, which is nothing unusual. That's why I say I leave the back door open because she always forgets her key as well," Audrey explained.

"(The phone) was under her clothes on the bed," she said.

Here in Ireland Amy's aunt Christine Kenny, the sister of Amy's father Christopher, has called on Spanish authorities to conduct a cold case review of Amy's disappearance, and for gardai and the Government to become involved and put more pressure on Spanish police to look again at the facts.

"There were so many twists and turns in the case, but the truth is in there somewhere," said Christine.

Amy Fitzpatrick's disappearance made headlines all over the world, and Audrey and Dave Mahon conducted high-profile media campaigns for information.

There was speculation she had been abducted by people involved in a sordid sex ring.

Prison

There was also speculation that Dublin criminal Eric 'Lucky' Wilson was involved.

He is currently in prison in Spain for shooting 24-year-old British criminal Daniel Smith to death in a packed bar.

There was also speculation about a Scottish man who had befriended young girls in Amy's circle of friends.

But nothing ever came of any of the avenues of investigation.

Audrey and Dave Mahon eventually moved back to Dublin.

Mahon is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for the manslaughter of Amy's older brother Dean, who he stabbed during a row at their northside Dublin apartment in May 2013.

Both Ashley and Christine believe Amy is dead.

If they are right about the phone then did Amy make it back home that night before going out again?

Audrey Fitzpatrick is adamant that Amy left the phone at home.

"If Amy didn't have her phone Ashley would've had my number in her phone," she said.

Asked about Ashley and her mother being convinced Amy had the phone, Audrey replied: "No. Absolutely positively not."

"The phone was (later) robbed when we had a break in at the house in Spain.

"As stupidly as women do, you leave everything in the top drawer that's of value, and I had actually stopped bringing it around with me because I was afraid I'd lose it, and it had all her photographs and texts on it," said Audrey.

"I don't know how they can say she had the phone at the time because she had no credit on it," she added.

"Would the Irish police and the Spanish police look into the German man who was implicated in relation to Madeleine McCann?

"He drove a camper van, he could've been anywhere in Europe," said Audrey.

"Where we lived and socialised was campervan heaven," she added.

She said she has been told that Amy's disappearance is a Spanish police case and not an Irish one, but would argue that if British police can become involved in the Madeleine McCann case then the Irish authorities should be able to get involved.

"The English police, the German police and the Portuguese police are all gathered around Madeleine McCann's case.

"I haven't heard anything from the Spanish police and I've been told by the Irish police that they're not investigating it because it's a Spanish case.

"But Amy is an Irish citizen at the end of the day," she said.

"I feel amputated from the investigation now. It breaks my heart."

Amy had been living in Spain for four years but had not settled in the country.

She had been due to make a trip to Ireland on St Stephen's Day but it was postponed - and she was very upset about that.

There were reports that she had been bullied in school in Spain.

She and Dean had been brought there by Audrey and Dave Mahon on the understanding they were going on holidays, and it was only when they were there that the children were told Spain was to be their new home.

"She wanted to come home from Spain, and stay with her dad," Christine said.

Christine said the first she heard that Amy was missing was from a relative who had seen it on the Bebo social media site that preceded Facebook and Instagram.

"She wasn't officially reported missing until the third of January," she said.

"Within a day or so of Amy being reported missing we got flights and went over there," she added.

"We just want to find her. She needs to be found. Amy deserves to be found," Christine explained.

 

[Chiatos]

That is exactly what I have just googled, but I don't see any connection or a similar logo though.

I also can't find the symbol next to the letters HERZOG.
But I have found a Herzog with black background and white letters:
Contact - Herzog

There is also another possibilty: writing and logo on the truck are fake.

 

[Sharkbite]

Amy 'made it home before she disappeared' - pal who last saw her
Mum calls for Spanish cops to look into Maddie suspect

1
Missing teenager Amy Fitzpatrick with the pink Nokia phone
Conor Feehan
July 20 2020 02:30 AM

Missing Dublin teen Amy Fitzpatrick made it back to her Spanish home before she disappeared on New Year's Day 12 years ago, her friend who was the last known person to have seen her alive believes.

And it was an interview she subsequently saw on the Late Late Show that convinced her that Amy did not come to harm on her way home, which has been the main line of inquiry in the investigation.

Interview

Amy had spent the night babysitting with her pal Ashley Rose in Riviera del Sol near Mijas Costa in Malaga before leaving at 10pm on January 1, 2008.

Amy's mother Audrey Fitzpatrick, and stepfather Dave Mahon, believe she never made it home, but Ashley says that Audrey's Late Late Show interview in May that year has convinced her that Amy must have made it back to the house at some point that night.

In the interview, Audrey shows Pat Kenny Amy's lightpink Nokia phone, and Ashley and her mother Debbie are adamant that Amy had that phone in her possession when she left their house.

"It looks to me like Amy made it home. She had that phone in our house, and then her mother had it in the interview," she told the Herald from Spain.

The Nokia handset was later reported to have been stolen in a burglary at Audrey Fitzpatrick's home.

"Amy had no credit for the phone, but she used it to listen to music on it, and her friends' contact details were on it too," Ashley said.

"I remember she used the phone to access her mother's number on New Year's Eve in our house and rang the number from our house," Ashley said.

"It was later I saw a recording of the interview on the Late Late Show, and I thought 'Amy had it (the phone) when she left our house'. I've told the Guardia Civil here but nobody has followed it up or taken it seriously," she added.

In the interview on the Late Late show on May 16, 2008, then hosted by Pat Kenny, Audrey explained it was January 3 that year when she realised Amy was missing because she knew she had been visiting Ashley, and Audrey thought she was still with her.

"I leave the back door open because she always forgets her key," she told Pat Kenny.

Mr Kenny then takes out the pink-faced Nokia and shows it to the camera and the audience. "She didn't have it with her?" he asked Audrey.

"No, she forgot it, which is nothing unusual. That's why I say I leave the back door open because she always forgets her key as well," Audrey explained.

"(The phone) was under her clothes on the bed," she said.

Here in Ireland Amy's aunt Christine Kenny, the sister of Amy's father Christopher, has called on Spanish authorities to conduct a cold case review of Amy's disappearance, and for gardai and the Government to become involved and put more pressure on Spanish police to look again at the facts.

"There were so many twists and turns in the case, but the truth is in there somewhere," said Christine.

Amy Fitzpatrick's disappearance made headlines all over the world, and Audrey and Dave Mahon conducted high-profile media campaigns for information.

There was speculation she had been abducted by people involved in a sordid sex ring.

Prison

There was also speculation that Dublin criminal Eric 'Lucky' Wilson was involved.

He is currently in prison in Spain for shooting 24-year-old British criminal Daniel Smith to death in a packed bar.

There was also speculation about a Scottish man who had befriended young girls in Amy's circle of friends.

But nothing ever came of any of the avenues of investigation.

Audrey and Dave Mahon eventually moved back to Dublin.

Mahon is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for the manslaughter of Amy's older brother Dean, who he stabbed during a row at their northside Dublin apartment in May 2013.

Both Ashley and Christine believe Amy is dead.

If they are right about the phone then did Amy make it back home that night before going out again?

Audrey Fitzpatrick is adamant that Amy left the phone at home.

"If Amy didn't have her phone Ashley would've had my number in her phone," she said.

Asked about Ashley and her mother being convinced Amy had the phone, Audrey replied: "No. Absolutely positively not."

"The phone was (later) robbed when we had a break in at the house in Spain.

"As stupidly as women do, you leave everything in the top drawer that's of value, and I had actually stopped bringing it around with me because I was afraid I'd lose it, and it had all her photographs and texts on it," said Audrey.

"I don't know how they can say she had the phone at the time because she had no credit on it," she added.

"Would the Irish police and the Spanish police look into the German man who was implicated in relation to Madeleine McCann?

"He drove a camper van, he could've been anywhere in Europe," said Audrey.

"Where we lived and socialised was campervan heaven," she added.

She said she has been told that Amy's disappearance is a Spanish police case and not an Irish one, but would argue that if British police can become involved in the Madeleine McCann case then the Irish authorities should be able to get involved.

"The English police, the German police and the Portuguese police are all gathered around Madeleine McCann's case.

"I haven't heard anything from the Spanish police and I've been told by the Irish police that they're not investigating it because it's a Spanish case.

"But Amy is an Irish citizen at the end of the day," she said.

"I feel amputated from the investigation now. It breaks my heart."

Amy had been living in Spain for four years but had not settled in the country.

She had been due to make a trip to Ireland on St Stephen's Day but it was postponed - and she was very upset about that.

There were reports that she had been bullied in school in Spain.

She and Dean had been brought there by Audrey and Dave Mahon on the understanding they were going on holidays, and it was only when they were there that the children were told Spain was to be their new home.

"She wanted to come home from Spain, and stay with her dad," Christine said.

Christine said the first she heard that Amy was missing was from a relative who had seen it on the Bebo social media site that preceded Facebook and Instagram.

"She wasn't officially reported missing until the third of January," she said.

"Within a day or so of Amy being reported missing we got flights and went over there," she added.

"We just want to find her. She needs to be found. Amy deserves to be found," Christine explained.

Sounds like someone was waiting for her at her home, according to the friends testimony.

 

[tedtink]

I wonder if any German nationals could give us an exact translation of the following, taken from the BKA page:

“Darüber hinaus nutzte er im fraglichen Tatzeitraum mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit die portugiesische Mobilfunknummer + 351 912 730 680. Mit einer bislang unbekannten Person wurde am 03.05.2007 zu einer tatrelevanten Zeit im Bereich von Praia da Luz ein Telefonat geführt. Der Gesprächsteilnehmer nutzte hierbei die portugiesische Rufnummer + 351 916 510 683. Der Nutzer dieser Nummer kommt als wichtiger Zeuge in Betracht, hielt sich während des Telefonats aber nicht in dem Bereich auf.”

On Google Chrome the translation reads as:

“In addition, he used the Portuguese mobile number + 351 912 730 680 during the period in question with a probability bordering on certainty . A telephone call was made to a previously unknown person on May 3rd, 2007 at a relevant time in the area of Praia da Luz. The interlocutor used the Portuguese number + 351 916 510 683. The user of this number is considered to be an important witness , but was not in the area during the call.”

Does the German truly translate as “previously unknown”???

This is confusing or there's yet another translation issue.
If HCW thinks it may have been an OC employee relaying info about the apartments to CB, the other caller was known to be in a different area at the time, so how could they relay info?
I thought HCW said he believes CB acted alone too.

 

[MENDEL]

Sounds like someone was waiting for her at her home, according to the friends testimony.

"Mahon is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for the manslaughter of Amy's older brother Dean, who he stabbed during a row at their northside Dublin apartment in May 2013."

 

[SuperdadV8]

I found this re. Herzog.

IMO it's not "Herzog" and not a binocular. The Logo builts an "M" IMO. So the name of the company should start with that letter. Still looking, if there exists some company like U-Haul, or a truck-rental etc., with that logo.

 

[Lilly b]

Sounds like someone was waiting for her at her home, according to the friends testimony.

Yes, lots of different theories, then I found that which is quite recent.