Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[tedtink]

Did you see 558-TR ?

Interesting to see where the lock is situated on the door.
Is that DP's daughter?
Grey scale of same pic is here........

P.J. POLICE FILES: PAYNE & TANNER GREYSCALE HOLIDAY SNAPS

 

[redplanet]

So many questions with this case...another one I’ve always had is if Tannerman was the man JT ...why was he walking in reported direction ?
Was he lost or deliberately taking a long cut to sightsee or something...or was it not him ?

Probably going to collect the other child from evening creche?

 

[Trivento]

Probably going to collect the other child from evening creche?

Have been curious about this as all the news reports say he was carrying his 2yr old daughter back from crèche..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6225547/madeleine-mccann-gp-sighting-waste/

 

[redplanet]

TY. From the context in the monochrome list this is flat H. And just noticed. 570b = open. 571a = closed. So a child can slide the door.

 

[tedtink]

Have been curious about this as all the news reports say he was carrying his 2yr old daughter back from crèche..
Why did Madeleine McCann cops waste years investigating GP sighting?

He was going back from the creche.
This is why Tannerman (crecheman) was ruled out as being the abductor.
JT seemingly made a mistake regarding the direction that creche man was walking.

 

[Trivento]

He was going back from the creche.
This is why Tannerman (crecheman) was ruled out as being the abductor.
JT seemingly made a mistake regarding the direction that creche man was walking.

Possible..although have found this link that seems to show JT apartment was East of 5A..which wouldn’t tie up with that eitherTRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE

 

[redplanet]

Have been curious about this as all the news reports say he was carrying his 2yr old daughter back from crèche..
Why did Madeleine McCann cops waste years investigating GP sighting?

Statements on this subject by OG, and the derived statements by press, are not necessarily overflowing with extreme accuracy in every detail.
IMO he had probably collected daughter earlier, and at time of this sighting was going to collect son. Something like that. Simple really.

 

[tedtink]

Interesting to see where the lock is situated on the door.
Is that DP's daughter?
Grey scale of same pic is here........

P.J. POLICE FILES: PAYNE & TANNER GREYSCALE HOLIDAY SNAPS

I find it astonishing that the full, un-cropped colour photo's were not asked for or analysed or even forwarded to PJ, especially to look at who or what may have been in the background in the complex or beach pics.

 

[Trivento]

Statements on this subject by OG, and the derived statements by press, are not necessarily overflowing with extreme accuracy in every detail.
IMO he had probably collected daughter earlier, and at time of this sighting was going to collect son. Something like that. Simple really.

Think that’s good call as if JT was staying in Block 4 , it’s West of 5A , not east , as mentioned in link I posted above .
Thanks..I’ll put that one to rest for now.
Does make you wonder what other problems inaccurate news reporting may have caused or will cause in this case !

 

[Dlk79]

Possible..although have found this link that seems to show JT apartment was East of 5A..which wouldn’t tie up with that eitherTRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE

Totman was in block 4, to the west of block 5. The creche was east (and to the south) of them both.

 

[tedtink]

Think that’s good call as if JT was staying in Block 4 , it’s West of 5A , not east , as mentioned in link I posted above .
Thanks..I’ll put that one to rest for now.

Please do - I think we're all pretty tannermanned out now and have 'creched' and burned!

 

[redplanet]

Think that’s good call as if JT was staying in Block 4 , it’s West of 5A , not east , as mentioned in link I posted above .
Thanks..I’ll put that one to rest for now.

He was staying in block 4, which is to the west of block 5.

 

[Dlk79]

Madeleine McCann's parents believe probe into German suspect is 'beyond bizarre'

HCW's approach alledgedly doesn't seem to be sitting well with the McCanns. Same old argument though, "if you think he did it, why aren't you questioning him?". It's a very naive viewpoint given the reality of the German judicial process, and possibly borne out of frustration in this instance.

 

[redplanet]

The OG release was worded inaccurately IMO and should not be treated as exact. The solution to "why would a parent carry a child towards creche at around collection time" is easily found simply by reading the account of another family who did that the previous evening.

 

[misty48]

The OG release was worded inaccurately IMO and should not be treated as exact. The solution to "why would a parent carry a child towards creche at around collection time" is easily found simply by reading the account of another family who did that the previous evening.

How would he have carried another sleeping child back to Block 4 with his arms already full? JT didn't see his wife with him.

 

[Dlk79]

Madeleine McCann's parents believe probe into German suspect is 'beyond bizarre'

HCW's approach alledgedly doesn't seem to be sitting well with the McCanns. Same old argument though, "if you think he did it, why aren't you questioning him?". It's a very naive viewpoint given the reality of the German judicial process, and possibly borne out of frustration in this instance.

The arguments here make no sense -

A friend said: “Any police force or prosecuting chief should not be boasting... but should be remaining silent as in the case of the Met Police

Why? What have the Met police achieved in this investigation to highlight them as a good example of how to conduct this case. They've had millions in funding and achieved absolutely nothing.

“They should... not be suggesting that members of the public would be reaching the same conclusion as they do about the suspect if they knew the evidence they had. It is beyond bizarre and not very helpful to the investigation.”

Why shouldn't they? What problem is it causing the investigation exactly? Just sounds like a nonsense comment IMO without any reason, aside from emotional opinion.

“If Mr Wolters has got any significant evidence we cannot understand why the key suspect is not being questioned."

Then you haven't been listening. It isn't as simple as that, once they go down that avenue, all cards are on the table. And why do that when you haven't quite got everything you need to convict, but still have the time and opportunity to gather more evidence?

“If they think he is a red herring and had no involvement they should say so, instead of playing games, because the real culprit could be out there and escaping any scrutiny.”

The most bizarre statement of all. Gives the impression this 'source' wants/believes CB to be innocent. They don't like where this is going yet what proof do they have that CB isn't guilty? Why make this comment, don't they want the correct man to face justice? Also, they assert earlier that HCW should just be silent and get on with the investigation, but now they assert that he should speak out to say if CB is a red herring. It's all just very odd. Would love to know the 'source' of this. They sound like an absolute buffoon.

 

[redplanet]

How would he have carried another sleeping child back to Block 4 with his arms already full? JT didn't see his wife with him.

That is a good point. In that form it would work only if the 4 year old was awake. But what is your explanation? What is your theory for why he had only one of two children with him? Is not a likely explanation, that the elder one was at creche? Better explanations are welcome.

 

[tedtink]

The arguments here make no sense -

A friend said: “Any police force or prosecuting chief should not be boasting... but should be remaining silent as in the case of the Met Police

Why? What have the Met police achieved in this investigation to highlight them as a good example of how to conduct this case. They've had millions in funding and achieved absolutely nothing.

“They should... not be suggesting that members of the public would be reaching the same conclusion as they do about the suspect if they knew the evidence they had. It is beyond bizarre and not very helpful to the investigation.”

Why shouldn't they? What problem is it causing the investigation exactly? Just sounds like a nonsense comment IMO without any reason, aside from emotional opinion.

“If Mr Wolters has got any significant evidence we cannot understand why the key suspect is not being questioned."

Then you haven't been listening. It isn't as simple as that, once they go down that avenue, all cards are on the table. And why do that when you haven't quite got everything you need to convict, but still have the time and opportunity to gather more evidence?

“If they think he is a red herring and had no involvement they should say so, instead of playing games, because the real culprit could be out there and escaping any scrutiny.”

The most bizarre statement of all. Gives the impression this 'source' wants/believes CB to be innocent. They don't like where this is going yet what proof do they have that CB isn't guilty? Why make this comment, don't they want the correct man to face justice? Also, they assert earlier that HCW should just be silent and get on with the investigation, but now they assert that he should speak out to say if CB is a red herring. It's all just very odd. Would love to know the 'source' of this. They sound like an absolute bafoon.

I'm not at all surprised about this article.
I mentioned a few posts back that more OG funding will need to be applied for soon.
If the general UK public and the GOV think CB is the perp I can't see any more funding being granted.
I believe this is political too. UK Gov want this wrapped up, no more funding as UK is skint!
MC's still want the 'find Madeleine' option left open, as they still believe she could still be alive, if CB comes to nothing.
Possibly a buffoon speaking (MC spokesman CM) influencing Mirror readers opinions to keep the public on side!

 

[misty48]

That is a good point. In that form it would work only if the 4 year old was awake. But what is your explanation? What is your theory for why he had only one of two children with him? Is not a likely explanation, that the elder one was at creche? Better explanations are welcome.

According to DCI Redwood on Crimewatch 2013, the creche had supplied JT with a blanket as a covering for his daughter during the journey back to their apartment. so she must have come from the creche. In the absence of his wife, it's hard to find an explanation for him seemingly making 2 journeys.

 

[Dlk79]

That is a good point. In that form it would work only if the 4 year old was awake. But what is your explanation? What is your theory for why he had only one of two children with him? Is not a likely explanation, that the elder one was at creche? Better explanations are welcome.

Interesting point. He had a 3yr old daughter who he claims to have carried back from the night creche, but where was his 4yr old son? If they were both there, you'd assume both parents would go to collect them, or the elder child would walk alongside Mr Totman as he brought the pair back. I guess the assumption is that only the daughter went to the creche that night and the son had stayed with the parents? Or he did two trips?