Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #32

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Certainly, the McCanns' Christmas message last year was the first where they seemed to acknowledge they would never see their daughter alive again.
I did not recall exactly the message text but may this suggest they were informed about additional evidence BKA may have? Or about the progress of the investigation?
 
The PJ swiftly (and rightly) lost interest in Robert Murat after they were (less rightly) led astray by a <modsnip> freelance English dog-handler into focusing all their attention on Madeleine's parents.

For example, Kate's and Gerry's clothing were -- twice -- strewn over floors, in different spots, for dogs to trample over and sniff.

Thank goodness, none of Robert Murat's clothing was treated the same.

Neither should the McCanns' clothing have been.

ETA; for the clue of what Grime, in largely disregarding Mark Harrison, was about, there, you need to fast-forward to 2011, Grime's successor cadaver dog to Eddie, Morse, and the Bianca Jones investigation.

According to Grime, on December 4, 2011, he took his dogs to an enclosed warehouse that contained 31 vehicles. Grime was told that Bianca was in one of the vehicles at the time of the carjacking, but was not told which vehicle was involved. Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.​

Grime testified that, after the vehicle screening, he took the dogs to an administrative building to screen the items removed from Dungey's car. Grime did not know where the objects were located in the building, and the objects had been placed in a room filled with “all sorts of things.” Morse alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's car seat and a bag containing Bianca's blanket. Grime later took the dogs to Dungey's house. Morse alerted him to the odor of decomposition in a room that contained bunk beds and a closet without a door.​

It's all there. The line-up of vehicles. The repeat of the pattern of testing stuff in one place, taking it to another, and testing it a second time.

ETA: another key point to note is the difference between the two dogs, Eddie and Morse. Morse, not trained to react to human blood; Eddie, trained to react to human blood.

 
The PJ swiftly (and rightly) lost interest in Robert Murat after they were (less rightly) led astray by a <modsnip> freelance English dog-handler into focusing all their attention on Madeleine's parents.

For example, Kate's and Gerry's clothing were -- twice -- strewn over floors, in different spots, for dogs to trample over and sniff.

Thank goodness, none of Robert Murat's clothing was treated the same.

Neither should the McCanns' clothing have been.

ETA; for the clue of what Grime, in largely disregarding Mark Harrison, was about, there, you need to fast-forward to 2011, Grime's successor cadaver dog to Eddie, Morse, and the Bianca Jones investigation.

According to Grime, on December 4, 2011, he took his dogs to an enclosed warehouse that contained 31 vehicles. Grime was told that Bianca was in one of the vehicles at the time of the carjacking, but was not told which vehicle was involved. Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.​

Grime testified that, after the vehicle screening, he took the dogs to an administrative building to screen the items removed from Dungey's car. Grime did not know where the objects were located in the building, and the objects had been placed in a room filled with “all sorts of things.” Morse alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's car seat and a bag containing Bianca's blanket. Grime later took the dogs to Dungey's house. Morse alerted him to the odor of decomposition in a room that contained bunk beds and a closet without a door.​

It's all there. The line-up of vehicles. The repeat of the pattern of testing stuff in one place, taking it to another, and testing it a second time.

ETA: another key point to note is the difference between the two dogs, Eddie and Morse. Morse, not trained to react to human blood; Eddie, trained to react to human blood.

 
In the MM case grime claimed he didnt know which car belonged to the McCanns even though only one car had posters of Maddie plastered to the windows. He made the same claim in the Andre Lane case even though the car had a police sticker on the front windscreen and probably was the only one with a child seat. at the screening morse failed to alert to the car seat...it was wrapped in brown paper....grime suggested they cut a hole in the paper and morse then alerted. at this point Grime knew the location of the car seat. Imo Grimme had too much faith in his dogs and hoped to build a prosperous business and was very keen for the dogs to alert...a bit too keen
 

MADELEINE MCCANN: WHY NOT QUIZZED?


There is a person who was very close in time and space at the time Madeleine McCann was abducted from apartment 5A. This person could have been a privileged witness to at least some phase of the crime. The Portuguese judicial police have not questioned this person, according to what appears in the official case files. I don't know if the British (Operation Grange) or German (H. Christian Wolters) teams did it.

 
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In 2020, Herr Walters, directly asked whether he had photographic evidence Madeleine is dead replied, in summary, no comment.

ETA Although I don't know, I find it highly plausible Herr Walters has shared information with the McCanns he has not made publicly known.

Certainly, the McCanns' Christmas message last year was the first where they seemed to acknowledge they would never see their daughter alive again.
Seeing as other posts have disappeared because the op could not provide a link, its up to you to provide one, so which interview and with who did he in your opinion say in summary, no comment.
 
My thoughts for some time and it fits with everything thats happened and is happening. The BKA have a video of the torture and abuse of MM which matches details of the DM abuse. If the other 3 rape cases are successfully prosecuted showing a similar MO that will be enough along with other circumstantial evidence to prove guilt.
Where do you think this video came from?
 
Where do you think this video came from?
Well if Wolters says there nothing to link the girls DNA or photographic evidence to CB, then theres nothing in the past trial or upcoming one that links back to CB in relation to Madeleine.
 
Well if Wolters says there nothing to link the girls DNA or photographic evidence to CB, then theres nothing in the past trial or upcoming one that links back to CB in relation to Madeleine.
Where has Wolters said there is no photographic evidence linking Madeleine to Brueckner?
 
This is what was said.

Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.


Where has Wolters said there is no photographic evidence linking Madeleine to Brueckner?
 
Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

Which is not, quite, the same as no dna or photo evidence.
 
Returning to this point, the problem I have, long, had with using any cadaver dog, trained, as Eddie was, also, to react to the scent of human blood, to screen a long line of vehicles, is that blood can occur, commonly, almost anywhere.

We know that, at PdL, Eddie did extraordinarily well to alert, accurately, to Gerry's blood on the ignition key of the Renault Scenic. What if there had been similarly innocent deposits of blood in any of the other vehicles?

What price the poor dog then?

Too much time has been wasted speculating how you 'desensitise' a cadaver dog to the scent of human blood.

The simple answer is, you don't. It's the other way.

You sensitise a dog to the scents you want a dog to react to.

Drugs' dogs wouldn't be much use if they couldn't differentiate between the scent of paracetamol, a legal drug you don't want the dog to react to, or the scent of cocaine, an illegal drug you do.

The way you ensure both things happen is by introducing the dog to cocaine and rewarding the dog for reacting to the scent of that drug. Simply skip that step for paracetamol, and you can be sure your dog won't react to the scent of that drug, even though it will readily identify that scent, too, and easily distinguish it from the scent of cocaine.

Similarly, if you want a human remains dog to react to human blood -- as a discrete scent -- introduce the dog to human blood as a discrete scent and reward the dog for reacting to it. Then the dog will. If you don't, skip that step, and the dog won't.

The problem Grime had with Eddie, once he had trained Keela, is that he then had two dogs trained to react the same substance, human blood, and, indeed, couldn't 'desensitise' Eddie to a scent he had already trained the dog to react to. His solution was to introduce yet a third dog, Morse, skipping the step of training Morse to react to human blood, so that Morse wouldn't.

In the court citation of the D'Andre Lane case, it is clearly stated that, where Morse reacted to Lane's car, Keela didn't. and Morse's uncorroborated alert was accepted as stand-alone proof of murder.
 
Mr Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

Which is not, quite, the same as no dna or photo evidence.
MM and CB both on camera, they say they don't have. Maybe just MM in a specific background?! Maybe too much for their nothing until now. At least visible to us.
 
MM and CB both on camera, they say they don't have. Maybe just MM in a specific background?! Maybe too much for their nothing until now. At least visible to us.
Just photographic proof Madeleine is dead, but nothing, directly, linking the photograph to Brueckner.
 
Just photographic proof Madeleine is dead, but nothing, directly, linking the photograph to Brueckner.
From where? If such an image came from the box factory then a connection to CB is clearly there. If it didn’t, who had the image/s from 2007 to 2018 and why did they keep them secret? Why would he just take a photo of a deceased MM when he has a historically filmed and photographed the abuse with himself in the images. Why would the image have no EXIF data showing time and location it was taken - HCW only assumes she died in Portugal and he thinks it was shortly after she was abducted.
 
From where? If such an image came from the box factory then a connection to CB is clearly there. If it didn’t, who had the image/s from 2007 to 2018 and why did they keep them secret? Why would he just take a photo of a deceased MM when he has a historically filmed and photographed the abuse with himself in the images. Why would the image have no EXIF data showing time and location it was taken - HCW only assumes she died in Portugal and he thinks it was shortly after she was abducted.
BKA may have every image CB ever uploaded to the dark web in the extensive Christian Kruse database.

If MM is not in CMK’s database, it begs the question was she even taken by a paedophile.
 
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