Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

[Pixie Child]

I've just posted some pages back that, believing in the portuguese subtitles, HCW told (in german) to SF, in portuguese TV program, Sexta às 9, that HB and MS are not central pieces in BKA investigation on MM. He also said the basic that they were key in DM case.
Unless he is bluffing/lying, IMO the evidence they have on MM could eventually be stronger than only potential autonomous/independent corroboration of testimonies-autobiographic texts/chats.

The cumulative effect of the confession to HB & others together with his chats & DAs Buch writings will leave no doubt that CB has confessed to the crime.

But there’s no evidence that doesn’t emanate from him - no body/forensics. The phone evidence is weak. The eye witnesses saw him the days before. No-one saw him in town that night. The McCanns never saw him. OC staff never saw him.

The Defence will attack all the evidence and won’t put him on the stand. But could they introduce the idea that he’s a Walter Mitty fantasist, a braggart? That he bragged about committing the crime but didn’t do it. They’d need to find evidence of that in his chats & writing. They’d need a Psych report.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The cumulative effect of the confession to HB & others together with his chats & DAs Buch writings will leave no doubt that CB has confessed to the crime.

But there’s no evidence that doesn’t emanate from him - no body/forensics. The phone evidence is weak. The eye witnesses saw him the days before. No-one saw him in town that night. The McCanns never saw him. OC staff never saw him.

The Defence will attack all the evidence and won’t put him on the stand. But could they introduce the idea that he’s a Walter Mitty fantasist, a braggart? That he bragged about committing the crime but didn’t do it. They’d need to find evidence of that in his chats & writing. They’d need a Psych report.

Agree with most of your points.

No-one saw him on town that night...
Again, how could he then have risked to merge himself into crowd with MM (Smithman?!, disguised?!) walking to the van/car?
From retrospective auto-check questions in his letters, Was I or my vehicle clearly seen near the crime scene on the night of the crime?
Assuming he did it (I no longer see another scenario), incredible how meticulous and lucky he might have been.
BKA to go for any of his "belongings" captured in a photo/background that could link to the evidence they say they have on MM? Doubts on this.
Again, IMO they really want the body or forensics but, even at limit, "get" his confession seems "impossible" too.

 

[mrjitty]

The cumulative effect of the confession to HB & others together with his chats & DAs Buch writings will leave no doubt that CB has confessed to the crime.

Need to be very careful about hearsay in this context. In Germany testimony is not excluded for hearsay but a judge will keenly differentiate between whether CB said that to HB ie the truth of the witness evidence vs the truth of the content of the statement

Based on what HB said I think a court would be slow to hold it was a confession vs HBs interpretation of it.

This is quite different to HBs video eveidence where HB is a primary witness

 

[RichardKimble]

Need to be very careful about hearsay in this context. In Germany testimony is not excluded for hearsay but a judge will keenly differentiate between whether CB said that to HB ie the truth of the witness evidence vs the truth of the content of the statement

Based on what HB said I think a court would be slow to hold it was a confession vs HBs interpretation of it.

This is quite different to HBs video eveidence where HB is a primary witness

The thing is,has CB actually said to any one he killed MM, HBs version and interpretation is CB implied in knowing what happened ,which is far from actually committing the crime.

 

[Okapi]

The thing is,has CB actually said to any one he killed MM, HBs version and interpretation is CB implied in knowing what happened ,which is far from actually committing the crime.

I don’t think so. I’m only aware of the are “I know he did it” media statements/hearsay from his old associates. How can they be certain? Why are they so certain?

MT

'I know he did it': Best friend of Maddie McCann suspect makes startling claim

Michael Tatschl has spoken out about his former housemate Christian Brueckner, with new theories about the case.

7news.com.au

CP

Friend '100% certain' Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner snatched her

Exclusive: Christian Post was tracked down by the Mirror to a small town in Cambodia where he lives under an assumed name. In his first ever interview he told how he and Christian Brueckner would go to each other’s flats after they became friends.

www.irishmirror.ie

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don’t think so. I’m only aware of the are “I know he did it” media statements/hearsay from his old associates. How can they be certain? Why are they so certain?

MT

'I know he did it': Best friend of Maddie McCann suspect makes startling claim

Michael Tatschl has spoken out about his former housemate Christian Brueckner, with new theories about the case.

7news.com.au

CP

Friend '100% certain' Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner snatched her

Exclusive: Christian Post was tracked down by the Mirror to a small town in Cambodia where he lives under an assumed name. In his first ever interview he told how he and Christian Brueckner would go to each other’s flats after they became friends.

www.irishmirror.ie

Perhaps because he is a very unlikeable wretch, who carried a gun to intimidate people. No one likes a d1cktete and confirmed rapist and nonse.

There is the alleged confession to DR(?), in a bar in Portugal. This would have been shortly before the playground arrest in BSJ. The reports are very sketchy which means the witness is key and his information has been closely guarded (Or until Bild offers him a six-pack of San Miguel) or it’s complete nonsense.

A few pages back there was an article in which HeB suggested someone else knew. This IMO, is almost certainly MT. He was certainly closer to CB than HeB and could well be an important witness.

I agree with @Pixie Child that half-truths and rumours spread by CB through this group in conjunction with incriminating web chat and the like is the backbone of the case. HeB on his own may not be a critical witness but he and people of his ilk are form the web which makes the story plausible.

 

[Davieson]

What is the source of this web chat info ? Is it reliable ?

 

[Mex]

But why wait. What will be gained from convictions of unrelated crimes that would be worth waiting for?

A timetable of the trial for offences?
What would be the point of adding indictments to those already in the jurisdiction queue until that situation is resolved?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

A timetable of the trial for offences?
What would be the point of adding indictments to those already in the jurisdiction queue until that situation is resolved?

If that were the case but it wasn’t when the five charges were originally laid.

 

[Tekno]

I've just posted some pages back that, believing in the portuguese subtitles, HCW told (in german) to SF, in portuguese TV program, Sexta às 9, that HB and MS are not central pieces in BKA investigation on MM. He also said the basic that they were key in DM case.
Unless he is bluffing/lying, IMO the evidence they have on MM could eventually be stronger than only potential autonomous/independent corroboration of testimonies-autobiographic texts/chats.

Do you perhaps know which episode of Sexta9?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

What is the source of this web chat info ? Is it reliable ?

I think so. IIRC, the web chats with Panikspatz were in 2013. They were retrieved from a PC found at the box factory.

There are multiple sources and a Cgreek provided quite a bit of info on this forum.

 

[Mex]

It's the incident in the playground presumably, they want to convict him for that first? FF no doubt will say they want to influence the judges, and he might be right? Anyone who says judges can't be influenced is being silly imo

CB allegedly exposed himself and masturbated in the playground in front of a group of children. Allegedly an off duty officer, who was present at the event with her child, apprehended him at the scene him and placed him under immediate arrest.

The offence and the arrest was said to have occurred in 2017.
Madeleine McCann: ‘new evidence’ linked to suspect found, prosecutor says

 

[RichardKimble]

Perhaps because he is a very unlikeable wretch, who carried a gun to intimidate people. No one likes a d1cktete and confirmed rapist and nonse.

There is the alleged confession to DR(?), in a bar in Portugal. This would have been shortly before the playground arrest in BSJ. The reports are very sketchy which means the witness is key and his information has been closely guarded (Or until Bild offers him a six-pack of San Miguel) or it’s complete nonsense.

A few pages back there was an article in which HeB suggested someone else knew. This IMO, is almost certainly MT. He was certainly closer to CB than HeB and could well be an important witness.

I agree with @Pixie Child that half-truths and rumours spread by CB through this group in conjunction with incriminating web chat and the like is the backbone of the case. HeB on his own may not be a critical witness but he and people of his ilk are form the web which makes the story plausible.

Re the gun, there's no suggestion of using the gun as a threat in the rape conviction or pending charge ones, so is it another myth or perhaps he needed it for the company he kept.

 

[Mex]

This crime is so consistent with his history, he has a conviction for a child abuse crime in Germany. Additionally, he was caught in the act by an off duty police witness.

I just can’t see why this or any of the other crimes in the five charges are relevant to abduction and murder in the MM case.

I agree.
The five presently untried cases are unrelated to each other or to the MM case for which no charges have as yet been laid and are unrelated to each other in time nor space.

They merely display a pattern of a repeat offender.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

Because it's so reckless, it's behaviour that's guaranteed to lead to violence sooner or later if it's habitual/compulsive. The conviction in Germany was for a child he knew wasn't it? It was a different type of offence.

I do not think the offence against his girlfriend's child is any different from offences against other children.

The only difference being that she was easily identifiable in this instance.

The memory sick containing many pornographic images of other children against whom offences were committed.

The offence for which he was convicted was one in which he was able to be identified.

 

[RichardKimble]

CB allegedly exposed himself and masturbated in the playground in front of a group of children. Allegedly an off duty officer, who was present at the event with her child, apprehended him at the scene him and placed him under immediate arrest.

The offence and the arrest was said to have occurred in 2017.
Madeleine McCann: ‘new evidence’ linked to suspect found, prosecutor says

Kindly posted by niner on thread 36, the caveat being for now at least the charge is dropped.

Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) - 11 year old Portuguese girl (pulled down his trousers & underpants & made masturbation movements on his naked penis in order to sexually arouse himself, until the frightened girl ran to her father for help. The suspect was arrested on the spot by the Portuguese police). Exposed himself in playpark, São Bartolomeu de Messines, June 11, 2017).

 

[RichardKimble]

I don’t think so. I’m only aware of the are “I know he did it” media statements/hearsay from his old associates. How can they be certain? Why are they so certain?

Look at it cynically, what stories they'll have to sell if CB were to be convicted.

 

[Mex]

His evidence is key in the MM case.

He’s in witness protection because BKA think he is in some danger. It’s not from CB. It could be any CB accomplice or associate. It could be from one of own associates - no-one likes a grass.

If a witness dies before trial, the Prosecution can apply to have the police statement entered into evidence. A trial Judge would warn the Jury the witness wasn’t there to be cross-examined and observed. So doing on-camera interviews (which can be admitted as evidence) offers some protection to him and his evidence.

I never thought of it like that.

I'm sure the BKA will have recorded video statements from him and other witnesses. But the delay in the pace of the trial has obviously spooked him. And maybe other witnesses too ~ quite a powerful thing to do having five pending cases interrupted as they have been.
My opinion

 

[Okapi]

Look at it cynically, what stories they'll have to sell if CB were to be convicted.

Possibly. But OTOH, they’ll be tainted by association. Is CB a convenient distraction, a diversion from other activities/associates? That’s me asking myself really lol

 

[Lyall0814]

I agree.
The five presently untried cases are unrelated to each other or to the MM case for which no charges have as yet been laid and are unrelated to each other in time nor space.

They merely display a pattern of a repeat offender.
My opinion

Ok but there may well still be some reason why the prosecutors want those five cases to be completed before they try to prosecute re: MM. Possibly they will be relying on evidential methods in prosecuting those five cases that they will also want to use in prosecuting re: MM, and they want to create a precedence. Some people would say they already did that in the rape trial. And they may need to do it again. They're having to rely on unusual and some would say controversial methods imo