Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[Miya]

I'm sorry, but whilst I can sympathize with a child who feels unloved, is adopted, suffering at home etc, I have no sympathy for a grown man who, as a sadistic serial raper, child sex predator, releases his pent up hatred and anger on our most vulnerable! His excuses are pathetic.. They are an insult to the Millions+ of people who were adopted, abused or felt unloved during childhood. Whilst they all have troubles to come to terms with, they all dont go about raping senior citizens, children and whatnot! God forbid, but we would be living amongst millions of predators aaalll doing the same as him at the same time. There is more to it than a rough upbringing. He is obviously wired wrong altogether. But since his crimes look to be pre meditated.. He knows right from wrong! And sets out, fully aware of what he is about to do And THAT is a monster! X

Psychopaths do know right from wrong, they just don't care. So they are not "insane" in the legal sense.

And that's right, I always hate it when people blame this type of behavior on a bad childhood, like you said, there are so many people who had a bad childhood who never hurt anyone and never become criminals. They are already traumatized and then have to live with the prejudice that they will hurt others because they have been hurt.

 

[Miya]

Abhorrent behaviours can be normalised however if that is all you know or surrounded by. The same way scourges like racism are.

Not if the person is a psychopath.

 

[LittleRose]

Abhorrent behaviours can be normalised however if that is all you know or surrounded by. The same way scourges like racism are.

Exactly. Life experiences from birth to three and teen years are critical.

 

[LittleRose]

I believe psychopathy is caused by nature and nurture. It doesn’t mean they are not responsible for their crimes. They are. They should be locked up and if they kill, they should be locked up for life.

 

[arrogantcat]

I’m a bit confused by the guidelines here. Hardly any posts that I’ve read on web sleuths are truly fact based, other than the suspect’s arrest records and his car registrations.

Are we considering something to be fact-based because it was printed in MSM? . Really? It’s ok to write here that CB’s childhood neighbors found his parents to be really nice people. And because that was printed in the Sun for instance, we’re taking it to be fact that they were really nice people?

And we can chime in with personal opinions and speculations about a whole host of things about CB, where he hid the bodies, why he beat his girlfriends, his psychological profile and mental illnesses, but potential spiritual ailments are off the table. We can say his eyes look evil in a mugshot, but we can’t speculate about demonic possession. Why is that off-topic?

I’m fine if people aren’t comfy discussing spiritual realities. Just say that. But let’s not pretend that only facts are being discussed here.

Because ‘demonic possession’ cannot be shown to exist under reasonable experimental scientific conditions.

People considering their neighbours to be nice, on the other hand, generally can.

 

[Kiranerys]

Psychopaths do know right from wrong, they just don't care. So they are not "insane" in the legal sense.

And that's right, I always hate it when people blame this type of behavior on a bad childhood, like you said, there are so many people who had a bad childhood who never hurt anyone and never become criminals. They are already traumatized and then have to live with the prejudice that they will hurt others because they have been hurt.

There are also many psychopaths that dont commit hideous crimes,or any crimes at all.
It is purely MOO because I dont have time now to look it up and check but I believe a psychopaths early years would have an effect on them and if those early years were filled with harsh discipline and an uncaring environment for example that could definitely shape how extreme a psychopaths adult behaviour could pan out. Nurture can still play a part,not all psychopaths are broken,some can function perfectly well in society and indeed do great things.
There is a doctor who conducted a study using brain scans,he scanned his own brain too and discovered he was a psychopath himself ( there was more to it obviously), I cant think of his name now,but yeah he was a prolific doctor specialising in that kind of thing,not a child raping murderer.

 

[Miya]

I never said that all psychopaths become criminals. Most of them don't. They still do a lot of damage to the people around them, family, friends, etc. Use them like objects for whatever need they have. And don't care. Discard them when they are done with them and can't get anything out of them anymore. I had more than one in my life, so I know what I dealt with. And yes, other than that they can be very successful in their career and are often found in high positions, one reason being that they don't care who they hurt on the way up.

 

[kyndigs]

I read a good book a while ago "Talking with psychopaths" and to me psychopathy was a lack of empathy toward others as the main symptom, there are psychopaths in all walks of life, ruthless CEOs, I also read interesting article that was a discussion with a detective who was very successful, and was clinically diagnosed a psychopath but committed no crimes, but his lack of empathy for victims allowed him to not be affected by grim cases and focus.

What is dangerous is when psychopaths form some sort of devious sexual fantasy etc, this lack of empathy allows them to act on these fantasy. I am sure there is many people who have the same tendencies who are not psychopaths and don't act on these urges.

In this case It is hard to see an MO right away, It does not appear the primary MO is murder and more personal sexual gratification with torture and abuse, that MO may have evolved after killing one person. Secondly if it was for the money made from videos and pictures, this media would have surfaced by now, any videos he made seemed to be for himself only, but also it could be that MM was so high profile it was deemed too risky to share.

 

[Owlpellet]

Thankyou so much, I was beginning to think I was imagining it. Possibly paint job or different perception...may not, I remember him being described as a Jaguar Enthusiast so maybe he regularly changed his Jags? I can now confirm links to potentially 5 vehicles used by CB. Black Jaguar, Grey Jaguar, Aubergine Jaguar XJR 6, VW Westfalia camper van & mustard coloured VW estate.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

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Christian Brueckner kept third vehicle that could solve Madeleine McCann mystery

He repaired and sold cars. The neighbour said the ground round the rental house was littered with them. So he would have had access to quite a few.

ETA I noticed the papers have started to describe the Jag as "dark coloured". The one that he re-registered was described as red/maroon. I think the Jags described as black and grey are the same Jag. Probably just seen in different light and states of cleanliness.

The apprenticeship he left in Germany at 18 was training to be a car mechanic

 

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[photographer4]

Slightly crappy source. but... third vehicle?

Madeleine McCann suspect linked to THIRD vehicle - new details made public for first time

Weird thought... any chance the guy was already IN the apartment before the parents left? Like hiding under a bed or something (as he did to the ex gf mentioned in the linked article)? It sounds far fetched, but... is it possible?

 

[katydid23]

As I suspected.
This old story released in the past 2 weeks has run out of steam.

No progress whatsoever, lot of reaction, lots of articles but no closer to finding out what happened and who did it.

CB wont talk, no trial happening, let’s get back to our lives.

I am very happy they released this information. I cannot say for sure that they are no closer to finding out what happened yet.

I can say that it gave me some important context. I looked at the info about this German racist/pedophile, and his group of lowlife friends, who lived in the area of the resort at the time, and were burglarising hotels and trading child *advertiser censored*, and sexually assaulting kids.

And I compare the possibility that he or one of us cohorts harmed Maddie, to the possibility it was her own family responsible.

And my money is on this lowlife with a long history of violence. It makes way more sense to me, after looking at the shady circumstances. JMO

 

[rebel123]

Weird thought... any chance the guy was already IN the apartment before the parents left? Like hiding under a bed or something (as he did to the ex gf mentioned in the linked article)? It sounds far fetched, but... is it possible?

Apparently that is something CB does, 'lurk under beds', but no I don't think so.

 

[rebel123]

Any thoughts on where CB would have parked the car / camper van on the night of the abduction?

Also lets say he didn't use a car / camper van on the night in question, remember that he's rented two apartments in that area, which he could in theory of just walked too (he probably had an insight / understanding of how the authorities would conduct the investigation in the early hours / days after the abduction - so a good grasp of time).

Madeleine McCann's blonde suspect could be the man seen lurking near her apartment hours before she was snatched

 

[Armchair_Defective]

With regards to his psychology, as others have said he could well be a psychopath. He could also be a sexual sadist, the two are not mutually exclusive. I made the possible mistake last night of watching a documentary where a prison psychologist interviews them. It was pretty horrific so I won't go into the real details but one man on there abused women and children of a wide age group and what he liked was the high he got from being in control when torturing, as in the ultimate control over life and death.
When he was in 'normal' relationships with women he beat them up and had to have control of them too but presented a 'normal' face to others such as colleagues or people he was trying to impress, said he dressed nice, drove a nice car ( sound familiar?). I think CB fits that profile but still there needs to be evidence to show he was in that apartment or they will never be able to charge him IMO.

 

[thref23]

CB is definitely a narcissist, almost definitely a sociopath, probably a psychopath I guess it depends on the exact definition. But he could also be called an "organized nonsocial lust murderer."

For anybody trying to type him, this 1980 FBI bulletin on lust murder (i.e. sexual homicide) makes a good read. There are newer and more in depth works on the subject, but this pdf is cool because it simply covers some profiling basics which can be applied easily to many offenders and cases.

Generally - sexual homicide offenders are men (or boys) who grow up to view the world as a hostile place that they cannot easily cope with. Usually, but not definitively, this is because they experienced a "great deal of conflict" in their early years, and were unable to develop sufficient coping mechanisms. This leads to hostility and a disdain for society. Some choose to internalize these feelings, withdraw from conflict, and hide if not repress their disdain for society - they're the "nice, quiet" guys, and they fall on the "disorganized asocial" end of the spectrum. The "organized nonsocial" offender however, is the opposite, he externalizes his hostility (even if he chooses to hide it to manipulate) and invites conflict. A direct quote: "It is the nonsocial's aim to get even with society and inflict pain and punishment upon others."

Compared to the asocial offender, the nonsocial is more likely to hunt for victims, and is a more methodical offender who usually leaves less evidence behind. The nonsocial offender is also much more sexually violent, but it's not necessarily about sex (or just sex). His activites "reflect his desire to outrage society and call attention to his total disdain for societal acceptance." He also seeks to obtain "complete possession of the victim." After, while the asocial offender may return to the scene of the crime to relive the experience - the nonsocial offender is more likely to simply be quietly obsessed with the investigation, and will sometimes play games with investigators (and/or insert themselves into the investigation).

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Any thoughts on where CB would have parked the car / camper van on the night of the abduction?

Also lets say he didn't use a car / camper van on the night in question, remember that he's supposed to of rented two apartments (that was in the media) close to the resort before Maddie's disappearance, which he could in theory of just walked too (he probably had an insight / understanding of how the authorities would conduct the investigation in the early hours / days after the abduction - so a good grasp of time).

Madeleine McCann's blonde suspect could be the man seen lurking near her apartment hours before she was snatched

His houses weren't that close the one in Monte judeu is about 5 miles away and he was thought to be living in the camper van at that time I think. Some of the media lied and said that house was 2 miles away. Sounds much more frightening if they can give the impression he was just round the corner.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Weird thought... any chance the guy was already IN the apartment before the parents left? Like hiding under a bed or something (as he did to the ex gf mentioned in the linked article)? It sounds far fetched, but... is it possible?

Look up the pictures of the beds from the crime scene. They were divan beds, no space underneath, no way anyone is hiding under them. The wardrobes are also slim, built into the walls with shelves.
Personally I doubt he was hiding in that small apartment and 2 parents didn't notice him there.

 

[rebel123]

Look up the pictures of the beds from the crime scene. They were divan beds, no space underneath, no way anyone is hiding under them. The wardrobes are also slim, built into the walls with shelves.
Personally I doubt he was hiding in that small apartment and 2 parents didn't notice him there.

I noticed that where the shutters / windows are located there is a bed immediately in front. If he entered from the shutters / windows there would be footprints on the bed.

 

[greengables]

Do we know at what age he was adopted? Likely there was an attachment disorder from a young age, you don't necessarily have to have abusive parents either, passive or lazy parenting reinforce bad behaviours in children. Lack of discipline is just as bad as authoritarian parenting in that sense.