Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #12

[ToutCa]

So, theories as to what happened? Either something which incapacited the crew and left the plane on autopilot. Or suicide by one of the pilots or A.N.Other person...respectfully snipped...I'm as confused as I was in thread 1.

IF the plane really did crash off Australia, it will be important to know if it flew there under continuing human commands or was just flying blind. If blind for many hours, that suggests something or someone incapacitated all onboard early on.

Anything could have happened. Perhaps hijackers stormed the cockpit and demanded a diversion. But the pilots resist by either:

(1). Wild maneuvers that end up causing severe structural damage and blind flight...OR
(2). Ordered to attack a target, the pilots conned the hijackers by inputting a false heading out in the middle of nowhere to spare lives on the ground.

Of course, these theories are probably as wrong as 99% of all the other ones.

 

[Steely Dan]

Relying on CNN again??

:giggle: My noggin hurts when I think on my own. :seeya:

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I would fly a plane. I am the worst back seat driver.

No offence Jersey Girl, but I think I'll get on Derryn's plane instead thanks!

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I don't think anyone would still be alive if the plane crashed in the ocean and it has been 2 weeks now.

Totally... survive the visit to 45,000 (if there was decompression), survive the possible toxic atmosphere in the aicraft cabin, survive the *advertiser censored**ole kicking your seat from behind while the guy in front reclines right back into your $h!tty in flight meal, for 7+ hrs, all whist trying to work out why the in flight entertainment systems say's you're going to long way scenic route to Bejing and wondering why the pilot hasn't disturbed your sleep whist updating you on the pollution levels and weather when you get there... only to have to survive a crash in water close to 0dec C, with nothing but an iceburg to cling onto cos the raft went down with the plane... and then having to sit and wait for the cabin crew lady to bring you that much needed drink you've been asking for for nearly 12 days now...

No chance I'm afraid... and apologies at my somewhat light hearted analysis of that whole situation.. no offence intended...

 

[cluciano63]

I am wondering how many vessels use that part of the ocean/sky and how something the size of this plane could drift down out of the sky for hours and no one notices...

 

[Isabelle]

"Currently, there are 18 ships, 29 aircraft and six ship-borne helicopters deployed along the northern and southern corridors, as follows:

Aircraft

In the northern corridor, there are four aircraft:
Two from Malaysia
One from Japan
One from the USA

In the southern corridor, there are 25 aircraft:
Two from Malaysia
Five from Australia
Three from China
Four from Indonesia
Two from India
Four from Japan
One from New Zealand
Two from South Korea
One from the UAE
One from the USA

Ships

All 18 ships are in the southern corridor:
6 from Malaysia
1 from Australia
5 from China
6 from Indonesia

This deployment includes six helicopters:
Three from Malaysia
Three from China.

"I can confirm that Malaysia is sending two aircraft to Kazakhstan, and the UK is planning to send one ship to the southern corridor.


"Until we are certain that we have located MH370, search and rescue operations will continue in both corridors.


Read more: UPDATE 21: MISSING MH370 : Full statement by Hishammuddin - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...tement-by-hishammuddin-1.523345#ixzz2wVHgz9xB

"...Malaysia is sending two aircraft to Kazakhstan..." ???

 

[04009margaret]

Somebody on CNN just brought up something I was thinking about. I'd bet dollars to donuts that the Australian government has a much better image from a satellite than what they released. They just don't want the world to know how high quality their satellite capabilities are. So I think they are pretty sure this is plane wreckage. JMO

We have 2 powerful hi-tech satellites that are operated jointly with the USA. Very secretive about them.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Australian officials say the search for possible objects has ended for today.
by roddymansfield 9:06 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/1228912/missing-plane-live-updates-search-for-debris

 

[LambChop]

Maybe it is possible that the man on the oil rig did see an explosion from this plane and it was put out shortly afterwards. jmo

 

[Derryn Hunch]

Morning all -

Well I can't say I'm surprised to see no news yet. Seems to be the norm in this tragedy.

Are those really the satellite images they're going on? They look like the other things which have turned out to be nothing. So I am thinking they must have a better image from a "secret" satellite? Maybe they actually saw it with the secret satellite, but they just gave the images from the "regular" satellite?

JMO.

Agreed... The weather is not really a huge factor... they would have global hawks, full spectrum imaging satellites and FLIR equipped cameras on board all the aircraft on station right now - as well as a whole range of bells and whistles such as radar and ultrasonic imaging equipment that would mean the cloud cover over the site would be no more than an inconvenience for low level flying operations (that the orion crews and that likely very air sick right now channel 9 reporter on board would be suffering through I dare say).

Pave Tack can put ordinance smack bang on a 20c piece from 30,000ft in the dead of night with more clouds than God has covering the mistake he made with New Zealand covering the target... (Kiwi's and Aus people will get that "in joke" - mods, don't worry its friendly fun!) I'm sure they have all the confirmation they need right now...

 

[Isabelle]

If this is the plane, then I don't think we have been mislead about the pings, the transponder, the acars, radars, the turnaround etc....as they are spot on with the calculations from this info....

If this is the case then can someone else please remind me of what ended up being confirmed about the timing of the turnaround???

It was a seven or eight digit code that had to be keyed in is that correct? and this was done 17 mins before the all right good night?

sorry to be asking this, but it was all over the place with different reports so I cant remember what was confirmed.

This is vital if you ask me, because if this was done then the mechanical error does not hold to me and it leads me to one theory...........a suicide mission.......but by whom??

if it was hijacked there has been no one claim it politically........so personally and believe me I hate to say this, it narrows it down to probably two people.

Consider that pilot and copilot held under duress by hijacker/s, told to reroute to xyz, pilot/copilot re routes away from xyz, and hijacker not smart enough to realize this. Pilot/copilot may be heroes in this case. We will probably never know.

 

[04009margaret]

Hearing some speculation about the chance that people could have survived a crash like this one may have been...is that alleged due to the "drifting" factor, when changes in altitude would be at a much slower pace? So that it would be more like an actual "landing"? But if so, how does this fit with the plane have allegedly gone up to 45,000 feet earlier in a way that might have incapacitated everyone? Guess I am confused about changes in altitude/ability to stay alive, and if there would be any real chance of anyone surviving.

IMO I can't see how there would be survivors until impact...if it took a very long time for plane to hit the ocean, I almost hope not...what terror that must have been.

JMO

The waves are 10-20 feet in that region

 

[Steely Dan]

Australian officials say the search for possible objects has ended for today.
by roddymansfield 9:06 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/1228912/missing-plane-live-updates-search-for-debris

Well that sucks! Back to bed. fftobed: :seeya:

 

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe it is possible that the man on the oil rig did see an explosion from this plane and it was put out shortly afterwards. jmo

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/i...-avoid-radar-detection&Itemid=2#axzz2wQctUqDN

as well as others:

At least nine people - fishermen, farmers and villagers - have made reports to police about seeing lights in the sky and some said they heard the loud noise of an engine.

The first report of a 'bright light descending at high speed' came from Alif Fathi Abdul Hadi, 29, who said he saw the light heading towards the South China Sea at 1.45am on the night the aircraft disappeared.

Lending credibility to the account by Mr Alif is the claim by fisherman Azid Ibrahim, 55, who saw a bright light streaking overhead at 1.30am on Saturday, about 100 miles south of where Mr Alif had seen the light.

 

[aa9511]

I just had this awful thought this morning - that IF everyone on that flight were incapacitated, then EVEN IF THEY FIND THE BLACK BOX, we still won't know what happened (at least what was being said in the cockpit), right?? Because the black box only records the last 2 hours of conversation?? OMG.

Nothing still makes sense. Even if this is the plane wreckage. I have been trying to think of the different scenarios. That plane got intentionally turned around (turn-around pre-programmed into the computer). Now, ok maybe this pre-programming was due to the pilots preparedeness and entering in coordinates of nearest airports ahead of tiime, in case of emergency. So that might explain that.

But the timing 1:19, and 1:21 transponder off, still doesn't make sense to me. So in 2 minutes, this fire went from something the pilots didn't even notice, to the smoke becoming so severe that it damaged the transponder and the ACARS?

And let's say the turnaround was to the airport. The plane would have kept going on auto-pilot west-ward, towards Africa. If it crashed on the way to Africa, would the debris have already made it all the way to near Perth?

I am still not convinced of any suicide mission by one of the pilots.

What I have been thinking - is that this was a test run by hijackers (as I've said before), and then the hijackers just set the airplane on auto-pilot towards the South and let it just crash b/c they had already done their test. Maybe the hijackers shot themselves (b/c I don't think they would wait in the plane alive for 7 hours waiting for it to crash?).

But then why didn't they just let it go on auto-pilot west=wards? What did they care if it went South?

IDK there are still lots of unanswered questions.

 

[JerseyGirl]

"...Malaysia is sending two aircraft to Kazakhstan..." ???

Yes, he said it during his news conference:

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...tement-by-hishammuddin-1.523345#ixzz2wVHgz9xB

I cannot find any information as to why he's sending 2 planes there - did we ever get confirmation about that fire in Kazakhstan yesterday?

 

[04009margaret]

What a strange coincidence that the pilots daughter was living in Australia & flew home to be with family after the pilots home was raided.

 

[mrsu]

Just adding this as it's the best map I've seen (many of them cut Africa off and this gave me my bearings better)

The red circle is the satellite ping from 8:11am
The black circle is the max distance as per fuel levels

Seems like the spot they are searching is just outside the black line but the satellite would be bang on. They tally up.

Ish.

This seems insane to me. That the area could be that large from the satellite ping. Such a vast area? I thought pings were supposed to be a little more precise than that. Does anyone know how they determine the area based off the ping? A certain radius?

 

[Derryn Hunch]

Maybe it is possible that the man on the oil rig did see an explosion from this plane and it was put out shortly afterwards. jmo

It fits the on board fire bill nicely... but I have to say its unlikely related... an aircraft at 35,000ft is barely a speck in the sky and whilst it might (but i doubt it) be within view of a guy sitting at absoloute SEA LEVEL, even if right overhead, it would be so far above him that any fire on board would have to be so overwhelming that it would be structurally catastrophic within a very very short time... like minutes... It would have to be a fireball bigger than anything that was going to allow the plane to fly on for 7hrs with..

That, and from the "mudmaps" that were going round, it appears there was several hundred KM's between them... not to say a plane at that altitude wouldn't possibly be above the horizon view for him on a flat ocean ... but unlikely...

There was a poster on the board a few threads back who offered a pretty interesting analysis of the ailiner turning around and the possibility that what the rig worker saw was a malaysian SU-30 jet attempting intercept and the engines being pushed into reheat (afterburner) as he saw the jets course change to the west with the left turn back toward Malaysia, requiring him to change his long range intercept heading and swiftly catch up given the possibility that it was a compromised aircraft (hijacked) and could pose an immediate threat 9-11 style...

and to wrap it up with "the reason why he didn't intercept" - well... thats where the answers that support that this was a "cover up" of some degree would fit... with either the aseesment that all on board were dead already and instructions to escort the airliner out of malaysian airspace and out to sea on the other side of the peninsula (orders to shoot it down if it changes course heading or appears to be on its way down due to autopilot disengaging, heading for a populated area...

all fantasy possibility's etc of course... I did think they guy who brought this up had some interesting ideas on it... wish I could remember who it was...

 

[QueenD]

One of our planes a P-8A from the local NAS Jax based leading search for debris.

A reporter from the news station this morning did say they had spoken to someone on that plane and they were finished for the day. It was going into 8pm Aussie time. They would resume the search in the morning. Also they said they were not in "that" area when orders were given for the new area.

http://www.wokv.com/news/ap/top-news/australia-checking-2-objects-in-search-for-plane/nfG8t/