Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #12

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Per CNN if the plane ran out of gas it would glide down and down and down and eventually slide into the water. Would not nose dive or drop out of the sky.

That requires a pilot able to control the plane. But even then the plane will have a lot of speed as it approaches the water. This area of the ocean (south Indian) has notoriously rough seas. A smooth water landing would be nothing short of a miracle. If on the other hand there is no pilot and the plane runs out of fuel.....well, take a look at Payne Stewart's crash site.
 
If it was the same discussion I saw on CNN... they never actually discussed the landing except to say... the plane wouldn't nose dive or just drop from the sky if it ran out of gas.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lines-flight-mh370-satellite-objects/6641689/

"MELBOURNE, Australia — A search in the southern Indian Ocean for possible debris from the missing Malaysian airliner was halted Thursday because of bad weather and nightfall, but will resume Friday in what Australian authorities -- citing satellite imagery -- call the most credible lead in the hunt for the ill-fated plane."
 
And let's say the turnaround was to the airport. The plane would have kept going on auto-pilot west-ward, towards Africa. If it crashed on the way to Africa, would the debris have already made it all the way to near Perth?

Hopefully Derryn can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard pilots say, the "auto-pilot" question is extremely complex. IF -- and it's a big if -- the plane has been found off Australia, it went into the water pretty near where it was found. It didn't just continue on the same initial northwest heading. But...any number of elements, human or no, could have pushed it to a different heading. Auto-pilot is complex, and it can be engaged in different modes to handle different aspects of flight. Thus the plane could have flown blindly for great distances, with auto-pilot controlling some or all elements of flight, or even being more or less turned off!

What I have been thinking - is that this was a test run by hijackers (as I've said before), and then the hijackers just set the airplane on auto-pilot towards the South and let it just crash b/c they had already done their test.

I don't buy the "hijacker test-run" theory. The 9/11 hijackers' "test runs" consisted of flying on targeted routes only to take notes on cabin crew timing and movements and to see if they could smuggle box cutters aboard. Hijacking a plane is a giant risk and a giant expenditure of resources. Once a hijack attempt begins, that's it. Immediately after, security will tighten and change. Aborting a hijack bid only hurts any future hijack to come.

If this was indeed a planned hijack, the perpetrator(s) had a plan for this plane.
 
OK, so if this could possibly have been an accident, like a bird strike in the cockpit, how does the pre-programmed sharp westward turn off course figure in? Any theories or ideas? I am very glad the wreckage is likely found! And sad for the families.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible-debris-from-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-spotted/

"He said one of the planes had arrived and dropped marker buoys to begin tracking the drift of objects in the ocean currents in the area.

In all, four planes were sent -- two Australian, one from New Zealand and one American -- to try and find the two large objects spotted in satellite imagery bobbing in the ocean.

Australian authorities said the first plane to reach the area was unable to locate the debris through clouds and rain, but that other planes would continue the hunt.

Young said and Australian Navy vessel was en route to the area to try and collect the floating objects and determine conclusively whether they're linked to the missing passenger plane."
 
How could a fire disable ACARS communication without destroying the ACARS system itself? It was operational until the very end of this flight (just not transmitting data with the pings). Autopilot would have to remain operational as well. What are the odds that these 2 systems would continue to function normally, while all data transmission systems (the transponder, the radio, and the communications portion of ACARS) were destroyed? I would assume that emergency flight plans are pretty standard and preprogrammed. Why would the plane deviate from one of these plans and wind up 7 hours due south from it's last known heading? Makes no sense to me.
 
That requires a pilot able to control the plane. But even then the plane will have a lot of speed as it approaches the water. This area of the ocean (south Indian) has notoriously rough seas. A smooth water landing would be nothing short of a miracle. If on the other hand there is no pilot and the plane runs out of fuel.....well, take a look at Payne Stewart's crash site.

Nope, the pilot on CNN said it was possible even if the plane were flying on autopilot and ran out of gas.

I was just passing along what he said. I'm not saying it would have been a smooth landing but it doesn't just drop out of the sky like someone (and myself) wondered previously in the thread.
 
Perhaps this has been posted, but does anyone have an ocean currents map?The wave action map and ocean temp map were interesting resources. Currents could possibly explain a lot about how the wreckage ended up where it did (if in fact this is the wreckage).


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Well, I went to bed just after the possible debri were located. Waking up and checking in I am extremely disappointed with the images. I mean, how in the world could anybody possibly guess it had anything to do with the plane. It's is literally a "blob" like the guy at the press conference said. Disappointing. They have got to have better images right?

Australia military or navy (or whoever is in charge of the satellites) could very well have better images than what was released to the media/public. I can't see the PM announcing he has credible information regarding the possible debris found if he wasn't 100% sure it was plane debris.
 
Sorry Aussies, it was the US who found the pieces :p

US company provides satellite imagery of possible debris of missing jet

US company DigitalGlobe said Thursday that it has provided the Australian government with satellite imagery showing objects in the southern Indian Ocean that might be debris of a missing Malaysia Airlines plane.

"We can confirm that DigitalGlobe has provided imagery to search officials in Australia, and we have been informed by an Australian government official that it was our imagery Prime Minister Abbott referred to in his recent comments," DigitalGlobe told Xinhua in an emailed statement.

Noting that it has no further information, DigitalGlobe pledged to "continue to cooperate with authorities to provide any and all information" to assist the search, said the US provider of high-resolution satellite images.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/849793.shtml#.UysB3ahdXHU
 
Brain is spooling up it’s like a ping pong game! It really is (this is always for me) – endless discussion in my skull!

I am doing this in “Word” to make it more readable – again I am aware that the combination of the speed of my brain, horrible spelling skills, and typing issues that I can be hard to decipher!!

I am a visual “thinker:

So …..That being said just writing what is going on inside …
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Wake up visualize large waves, oh, its nighttime over there, now we have 10 hours before anything happens, so now whatever it is in the salt water, moving all over the place, from where we thought it was a week ago translates to another long day! How could this possibly have any authentic meaning?

A wing is a heavy entity – well, the fuel tanks certainly were empty, so in way that makes sense that it could be afloat (I visualized the fuel cells as balloons) !.

In water crashes, if the airplane is somewhat level at impact the engines impact first typically pulling the wing back and off the fuselage so it might very well be intact

Ok so now I have a 4 day old picture, which means all the configuring that is being done in terms of fuel and the supposed location of more wreckage AND impact, really tells us nothing’s

Even if it is from the plane that reality will do nothing as it relates to believing that will help, or narrow down, search areas to locate the rest of the jetliner just not realistic

So even if it I an airplane items, in truth, the world is totally back to where we were from day one.

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But, hey we were at total ground zero anyhow so my conclusion is that the relocation of resources was truthfully nothing more than they had nothing to lose to move some stuff over there – which we all interpreted as having significance.

We really can’t do much with “fuel in the plane at takeoff- and the calculations officials are doing. The turnaround, the climbing, descending, other turns, jet streams, headwinds and tailwinds, (different at each altitude – can be drastic nor do we have any information on altitude which greatly impacts range. Was there any consideration on flying in a manner to conserve fuel , again no clue, flying profiles (atypical,) fuel -how much was really loaded, what was really in the cargo bays, as it relates to weight, and its impact on range limitations. ………

……So actually the notion that if the debris is crash related the families can began moving forward with goodbye.

None of the amazing stuff NTSB can typically do with back calculating, with all these parameters has never been attempted.

Hum they all say its deep over there , money is going to come into play, the media will forget this, there will be political junk in terms of funding a salvage operation , all countries are struggling now,

At this point MAL probably is invested in never finding it -a murder without a body-- is much harder to convict (in terms of liability)

Hum the insurance company paying already (besides being tacky) was dealing the almighty dollar that sounded fishy from the minute it was released. Unless, the insurer has been given serious data that we all don’t know, that it is destroyed.

Although most don’t like to say this aloud, I must be honest with myself and acknowledge that last night, for the first time in the last 5 days (when I kept moving slowly toward something bad is coming) there was a relief that at least we would know that the plane it is not in a hanger waiting to be converted into a WMD.

Well good morning again, and that is the state of this neurotic little brain as it relates to the biggest mystery in recent
 
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