Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #12

[SeriouslySearching]

Couldn't they track the objects with the satellite where they caught the original shot of debris?

 

[JerseyGirl]

What a strange coincidence that the pilots daughter was living in Australia & flew home to be with family after the pilots home was raided.

Last I heard is that the pilot's family is at an undisclosed hotel in KL.

 

[cluciano63]

On CNN, one guy (the guy who wrote "Why Planes Crash" I think) said that the other box...not the black box, but a data box(?) will carry 25 hours of data, so that this is the one that if found should tell them what was going on. I hope I understood this right. Of course he said there are a lot of factors involved in finding it, but seemed fairly confident that if located, it would retain the info.

Also, I did not know it took two years to find the black box for Air France flight...

 

[faw720]

IF (big if) this debris is from MH370, my take is it's an attempted hijacking gone awry. The hijacking successfully turned left to heat west, but then something happened, resulting in the plane flying without a (trained) human pilot until it ran out of gas.

And if that's the case, I pray everyone was dead for the entirety of the flight.

Sounds like a plausible theory to me. According to many reports the pilot was extremely skilled with many flying hours. Assume for a minute that someone broke into the cockpit. The co-pilot could have sacrificed his life fighting the intruders long enough to give the pilot time to change the autopilot diverting it to an area where he knew the plane would cause no harm to civilians on the ground. Hijackers could have known enough to fly to their planned destination from their original location, but not from a deliberately reprograming of the flight from its diverted area. It could turn out that the pilot was a hero who kept hijackers from reaching their final destination.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

I just had this awful thought this morning - that IF everyone on that flight were incapacitated, then EVEN IF THEY FIND THE BLACK BOX, we still won't know what happened (at least what was being said in the cockpit), right?? Because the black box only records the last 2 hours of conversation?? OMG.

I have a feeling that this is the case too eh... will be really frustrating for everyone (families, investigators, aircraft manufactures and maintenance workers, airlines who operate the 777 and then last of all public randoms like us who are nosey!) to not have definitive answers and I am sure whatever is concluded the conspiracy theorists will have several good ones to sell.. but sometimes that's the way life is...

 

[04009margaret]

Morning all -

Well I can't say I'm surprised to see no news yet. Seems to be the norm in this tragedy.

Are those really the satellite images they're going on? They look like the other things which have turned out to be nothing. So I am thinking they must have a better image from a "secret" satellite? Maybe they actually saw it with the secret satellite, but they just gave the images from the "regular" satellite?

JMO.

They did say at the press conference that it would probably take 2-3 days to find it, but also said it would have moved also.

 

[mrsu]

CNN says the pieces were located 14 miles apart from each other. Questioning how they would drift so far apart.

 

[JerseyGirl]

This seems insane to me. That the area could be that large from the satellite ping. Such a vast area? I thought pings were supposed to be a little more precise than that. Does anyone know how they determine the area based off the ping? A certain radius?

We need the ARC guy from CNN. He explained the satellite perfectly.

Maybe this will help understand??

after its automated reporting system was switched off, the automated satellite pings—the digital equivalent of a handshake—originated at a ground stations and was transmitted up to the orbiting satellite high above the Earth's equator. The satellite relays the ping down to the aircraft below, effectively asking the jet if it is still able to send and receive data. After receiving it, Flight 370 transmitted a return ping back up to Inmarsat, which in turn relayed it to the ground station.

Because the angle and distance of the aircraft relative to the orbiting satellite changed as the jet flew over the Earth's surface, each ping to Flight 370 gave Malaysian officials, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.K.'s Air Accidents Investigation Branch enough information to plot the 777's speed, altitude and changing path.

With the data at hand, investigators were unable to determine if the jet's pings were north or south of its last known primary radar sighting. Two points on the globe below the satellite, with mirror angles and equal distances from the satellite, left investigators to conclude the jet had sent its final satellite ping in the probable corridors to the north or south.

The satellites "can't give straight directional" guidance, "therefore the calculation is looking left and right of the satellite," said an industry official briefed on the investigation. The estimated path "suffers from the fact that...the system wasn't set up for that."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304017604579443603302188102

 

[popsicle]

Keir Simmons ‏@KeirSimmons 4m https://twitter.com/KeirSimmons

Relatives of people on board flight 370 are locked in a meeting... Being briefed on the discovery of debris off the Australian coast.

 

[mrsu]

We need the ARC guy from CNN. He explained the satellite perfectly.

Maybe this will help understand??

after its automated reporting system was switched off, the automated satellite pings—the digital equivalent of a handshake—originated at a ground stations and was transmitted up to the orbiting satellite high above the Earth's equator. The satellite relays the ping down to the aircraft below, effectively asking the jet if it is still able to send and receive data. After receiving it, Flight 370 transmitted a return ping back up to Inmarsat, which in turn relayed it to the ground station.

Because the angle and distance of the aircraft relative to the orbiting satellite changed as the jet flew over the Earth's surface, each ping to Flight 370 gave Malaysian officials, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.K.'s Air Accidents Investigation Branch enough information to plot the 777's speed, altitude and changing path.

With the data at hand, investigators were unable to determine if the jet's pings were north or south of its last known primary radar sighting. Two points on the globe below the satellite, with mirror angles and equal distances from the satellite, left investigators to conclude the jet had sent its final satellite ping in the probable corridors to the north or south.

The satellites "can't give straight directional" guidance, "therefore the calculation is looking left and right of the satellite," said an industry official briefed on the investigation. The estimated path "suffers from the fact that...the system wasn't set up for that."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304017604579443603302188102

THANK YOU! Just as I was reading this there was a gal on CNN discussing how the search circle was determined. She was saying this location was consistent with where the plane would have run out of gas.

 

[aa9511]

Does anyone know what time they are starting the search again in the morning?

 

[popsicle]

Jon Williams ‏@WilliamsJon 1m https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon

Owners of Norwegian ship say request for St Petersburg to take part in the search for debris from #MH370 came 2 days ago!

 

[Derryn Hunch]

WHat I don't get is why if they were headed to Lankowi, the reciprocal approach that he was planning to use (from over the water) was not already pre-programmed into the FMC as a "common, default or emergency alternate airfield". I am totally speaking from personal thought/opinion on this, but I would put money on it that every single aircraft in the Malaysian Airlines fleet bigger than a hang glider would have Lankowi as a preset for anything from an easy shortcut for crews entering flight data on pre-flight through to the above mentioned reasons... and I will tell you something else scary for those who live in aviation oblivious bliss... that airliner could have flown itself back to lankowi, put itself into the approach (providing lankowi has an ILS of course) and come to a complete wheels stop landing after touching down on the "Keys" at the end of the runway with a a rate of accuracy better than most humans can achieve...

...even if everyone on board had died just moments after the turnaround to track for LKW ...

 

[ToutCa]

Maybe it is possible that the man on the oil rig did see an explosion from this plane and it was put out shortly afterwards. jmo

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/i...-avoid-radar-detection&Itemid=2#axzz2wQctUqDN

as well as others::

The first report of a 'bright light descending at high speed' came from Alif Fathi Abdul Hadi, 29, who said he saw the light heading towards the South China Sea at 1.45am on the night the aircraft disappeared.

Lending credibility to the account by Mr Alif is the claim by fisherman Azid Ibrahim, 55, who saw a bright light streaking overhead at 1.30am on Saturday, about 100 miles south of where Mr Alif had seen the light.

ALL of these reports can't be true, because they have told of an exploding, on fire, low-flying or crashing plane from Vietnam to the South China Sea to the Maldives to the mountains of Pakistan.

SOME of these reports may well be true, but it can't be known until the plane is found and studied.

At the plane's last transponder location, it was flying at 35,000ft. Had an explosion occurred there that was big enough to be seen on the ground, some wreckage should have turned up by now. That area was scoured by searchers.

Of course, many kinds of initial catastrophe would not have been visible from the ground (internal fires, cockpit takeover, accidental or on-purpose depressurization, etc.).

 

[CoverMeCagney]

This seems insane to me. That the area could be that large from the satellite ping. Such a vast area? I thought pings were supposed to be a little more precise than that. Does anyone know how they determine the area based off the ping? A certain radius?

They know it was x amount of km from the satellite at that point, so although the radius is massive, they know the plane was roughly ON the red line at 8:11am (ie not just anywhere within it). Hence when they worked out the fuel limit they came up with the two red line corridors within the black circle.

Hope that explains it better.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I will be glad to be wrong if this turns out to be the plane. I don't want the threat of a rogue plane loaded with whatever looming over the earth. My original theory was the hypoxia, but I was trying to follow the evidence which went toward hijacking. Now I don't know what to think. The big question for me has to be the calm sign off from the co-pilot after things were set into motion...unless the co-pilot was unaware it had been done. Is that even possible?

 

[mrsu]

Per CNN if the plane ran out of gas it would glide down and down and down and eventually slide into the water. Would not nose dive or drop out of the sky.

 

[ToutCa]

We need the ARC guy from CNN. He explained the satellite perfectly.

respectfully snipped...

Excellent explanation. Given how limited the satellite ping data was, it's astonishing the scientists could work out an area as narrow as they did. They claim the plane was within 20 miles of some point on the red-line arcs at 8:11am. (The plane did not have enough time or fuel to move past the western end-points of the two red-line arcs).

Unfortunately, at 8:11am the plane could have had up to another hour of fuel remaining to fly on in any direction. That's why the search area is so vast.

 

[04009margaret]

Does anyone know what time they are starting the search again in the morning?

They said first light

 

[JerseyGirl]

Per CNN if the plane ran out of gas it would glide down and down and down and eventually slide into the water. Would not nose dive or drop out of the sky.

That could explained why there is the 79' piece in the water, as opposed to bits of pieces.