Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #13

[aa9511]

Does anyone have a better idea of how this shadowing would work? Maybe Derryn?

Is it like, the plane would slow down until they see on their radar that the other plane has passed them? And then set auto-pilot (to match speed of other plane?)?

Or do they go faster to "catch up" with the plane?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Two foreign press photographers almost came to blows as reporters mobbed acting transport minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein near the entrance of Sama-Sama Hotel here.

Hishammuddin said: "Guys, guys, guys... If you are going to behave like this, then you are going to get nasty visuals beamed all over the world and you are going to blame Malaysian officials. "That is not fair."


Read more: MISSING MH370: Almost a brawl for pixmen jostling for Hisham - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...en-jostling-for-hisham-1.524949#ixzz2wbr7l5Ad

 

[popsicle]

We talked endlessly about the ARC in previous threads. Try search.

That doesn't preclude further conversations on this topic.

 

[aa9511]

Where is Derryn when we need him?

 

[aa9511]

Ok why did the plane do a zig-zag action (after it crosses over the Malay peninsula)?

That makes no sense to me.

But it does make sense if they were positioning themselves to shadow the other plane.

And it does make sense if perhaps they had to WAIT for that plane to get there and pass them.

JMO.

 

[JerseyGirl]

That doesn't preclude further conversations on this topic.

At this point, maybe a separate thread is recommended.

 

[Leilei]

There is an air of desperation to some of the press questions. One unidentified report asks “Is there any idea what happened?” The answer comes back “No”.

At least it's an honest answer, but dang...

Good morning, everyone! Once it appeared that we wouldn't hear anything new last night, I hit the sack. Was hoping for something "breaking" this morning. *sigh* Heaven knows those searches are trying!

Back to catching up.

 

[ToutCa]

So since it is leaning towards this plane being in the ocean now has anyone explained why the ELT didn't send signals to the satellite that the plane had crashed? It's obviously not complete electronic failure if the plane flew until it ran out of fuel so????

There's still no public proof of whether the plane ended up on land or water.

The ELT frequently fails in deep-water crashes (like Air France 447).

So unfortunately, the ELT not going off is not a surprise and not an indication of the plane's final fate.

 

[aa9511]

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I am bringing over this post by poitryinmotion (sp? sorry if I got it wrong) b/c it contains good information and good maps.

 

[21merc7]

Shadowing video:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfWaMHW1JEo"]FS2004: F-16 Aircraft Shadowing @ Honolulu - YouTube[/ame]

 

[aa9511]

At this point, maybe a separate thread is recommended.

I don't really want to get in the middle of this discussion, but JMO I don't like having to jump from one thread to another. I get confused that way. It's much easier for me to have everything on one thread and I can just go through that one thread.

But that's just me.

JMO.

****Adding, yes it is useful to have different threads which have basic information on each other the topics. Like, arc thread would have some maps and basic information. But as far as the discussion is concerned, it's easier IMO to have all ongoing discussion on one thread.

JMO.

 

[ToutCa]

Does anyone have a better idea of how this shadowing would work? Maybe Derryn?

Pilots have disagreed publicly whether "shadowing" was possible.

In theory, MH-370 pulls its transponder, then uses its TCAS system to track another plane on its desired route and fall in behind it. The other plane (transponder ON) could be tracked on MH-370's TCAS display, while MH-370 (transponder OFF) would be invisible.

Dissenting pilots said that once MH-370's transponder was OFF, its TCAS system shuts off as well and can't be operated. Thus MH-370 would be unable to track any other flights.

 

[Frigga]

Where is Derryn when we need him?

I thought the article you posted up thread explained it very well:


http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/18...dowed-sia-klm/


Am I missing something?

 

[Momoffourboys]

Good read.

"The Independent asks how, given 21st-century communication technology, a large passenger jet can simply vanish. Since every iPad and iPhone owner can get an app that allows them to trace their device if lost, it seems absurd that a £160m, 250-ton jet aircraft should be untraceable."


http://rt.com/op-edge/malaysia-passenger-plane-missing-309/

 

[aa9511]

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I am bringing over this post by poitryinmotion (sp? sorry if I got it wrong) b/c it contains good information and good maps.

With the map of the military radar points of 370 from above post:

So we see the plane did a left turn. It went straight. Then it turned north-east direction. THen it went straight north-west direction.

If I take this with the shadow theory, it seems to me whoever was flying the plane went straight after the left turn. Then, they adjusted (I imagine based on what they were listening in to from Singapore Air communications with ATC and where Singapore Air was). It adjusted by going northeast. This put it on the exact path of Singapore Air. From there it went straight along where intended path of Singapore Air was.

From the theory of this guy, Keith Ledgerwood, (blog linked to in Forbes article from post upthread), he shows that at the Igrex waypoint, 370 was in direct line of Singapore Air.

 

[aa9511]

I thought the article you posted up thread explained it very well:


http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/18...dowed-sia-klm/


Am I missing something?

I'm just having trouble visualizing how all of this would happen at 30,000 feet in the air. Like, would the plane slow its speed, kind of "cruising" at a low speed until the other aircraft passed them? And then "speed up?"

IDK I guess it is just the visualizing part of it is hard for me to get.

 

[lisser]

If 370 shadowed another plane...would that other plane not have noticed and said something by now?

 

[finine]

We talked endlessly about the ARC in previous threads. Try search.

I'm totally clear on the arcs. My question is where were the previous pings? That question has not been answered.

 

[ToutCa]

If I take this with the shadow theory, it seems to me whoever was flying the plane went straight after the left turn. Then, they adjusted (I imagine based on what they were listening in to from Singapore Air communications with ATC and where Singapore Air was).

It seems a very long shot that snooping on ATC communications would provide precise enough information for a jet flying one direction to find and shadow another jet flying a completely different direction.

At night.

Wouldn't MH-370 have to be tracking its 'target' on radar (using TCAS) for a shadow to be realistic?

 

[ToutCa]

If 370 shadowed another plane...would that other plane not have noticed and said something by now?

Not if they couldn't see MH-370.

MH-370's transponder was off, and it was thus 'invisible' to other planes. MH-370 was even invisible to other planes' radar systems (TCAS).