Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #19

[SouthAussie]

Seems that the first lawsuit has been dismissed already ...

"A judge has dismissed civil action by a Chicago law firm and scolded attorneys for what she describes as an improper filing on behalf of a relative of a passenger on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Judge Kathy Flanagan dismissed the request in a ruling Friday … She has tossed similar filings by Ribbeck in two other airplane crashes and warned the firm it could face "sanctions" if it happens again."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/mh370-civil-action-tossed-chicago-judge

 

[JerseyGirl]

The multi-purpose Australian Defence Maritime Services (DMS) vessel Seahorse Standard is on its way to beef up search efforts. However, it is only expected to arrive in five days time.


http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/258723

 

[Momoffourboys]

A closed-door meeting will be held for families in Kuala Lumpur tomorrow. It will be led by Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) and MAS, while technical experts from Malaysia, China and Australia will be participating. [However, Britain's theguardian earlier reported that British experts - satellite company Inmarsat and UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) - will not be taking part in a technical briefing. Inmarsat has said it was not invited]

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/258723

BBM
Interesting. The article I am reading has it a bit different.

According to UK daily The Guardian, UK satellite firm Inmarsat and the country’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) have both signalled their refusal to take part in the briefing announced yesterday by acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...p-briefing-for-mh370-kin#sthash.3Z3a9DK1.dpuf

 

[JerseyGirl]

Seems that the first lawsuit has been dismissed already ...

"A judge has dismissed civil action by a Chicago law firm and scolded attorneys for what she describes as an improper filing on behalf of a relative of a passenger on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Judge Kathy Flanagan dismissed the request in a ruling Friday … She has tossed similar filings by Ribbeck in two other airplane crashes and warned the firm it could face "sanctions" if it happens again."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/mh370-civil-action-tossed-chicago-judge

Good, I'm glad the judge mentioned sanctions if they file again.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Captain Abdul Manan Mansor, the vice-president of the Malaysian Pilots Association, said that he did not even speak to the Daily Mail or know Zaharie personally.

“I didn’t speak to Daily Mail, I didn’t say that Zaharie was psychologically unstable.

“You can disregard the entire article,” Abdul Manan was quoted as saying by local daily New Straits Times.

Pointing out the large number of pilots in the country, Abdul Manan said he did not know Zaharie’s family and would not have known if the 53-year-old pilot had troubles with his marriage.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...bout-mh370-to-uk-tabloid#sthash.ITbPBkHv.dpuf

 

[JerseyGirl]

The survey found 50 percent of respondents to be dissatisfied at the crisis management, while 43 percent said they were satisfied.

The question was posed to 513 respondents between the period of March 13 to March 20.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/258792

When broken down further, the poll finds that among a demography where the respondents are younger, have higher income and internet access, the majority are dissatisfied, while the result is reversed for the opposite demography.
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For those with Internet access, 56 percent are dissatisfied compared to 38 percent who are satisfied while of those without internet access, 54 percent are satisfied compared to 39 percent who are not.

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[Elley Mae]

BBM
Interesting. The article I am reading has it a bit different.

According to UK daily The Guardian, UK satellite firm Inmarsat and the country’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) have both signalled their refusal to take part in the briefing announced yesterday by acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...p-briefing-for-mh370-kin#sthash.3Z3a9DK1.dpuf

Interesting, when I read that it said to me that inmarsat was not invited to participate in the findings not so much in the grandstanding after the fact. Basically just give us what you got and go home. jmo idk

 

[Momoffourboys]

KUALA LUMPUR, April 1 &#8212; Malaysia&#8217;s missing jet tragedy illustrates the needs to improve in-flight tracking of passenger aircraft, the International Air Travel Association (IATA) said today, adding: &#8220;We cannot let another aircraft simply vanish.&#8221;



&#8220;MH370 has highlighted the need to improve our tracking of aircraft in flight,&#8221; Tony Tyler, head of the airline industry trade body, said in a statement.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...let-planes-simply-vanish#sthash.yKYa1UIH.dpuf


Such a tragedy, but, comments like the BBM...are just ridiculous. IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

KUALA LUMPUR, April 1 — Malaysia’s missing jet tragedy illustrates the needs to improve in-flight tracking of passenger aircraft, the International Air Travel Association (IATA) said today, adding: “We cannot let another aircraft simply vanish.”



“MH370 has highlighted the need to improve our tracking of aircraft in flight,” Tony Tyler, head of the airline industry trade body, said in a statement.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...let-planes-simply-vanish#sthash.yKYa1UIH.dpuf


Such a tragedy, but, comments like the BBM...are just ridiculous. IMO

Did Tony miss the part about the people that did see the blips and said nothing. jmo

 

[JerseyGirl]

The MCA today urged families of passengers from China who were on board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and the public to give some space to the Malaysian government to probe the incident of the missing flight MH370.

MCA secretary-general Datuk Seri Ong Ka Chuan said, the party fully understood the torment they (families) were experiencing, however the Malaysian government has been responsible for doing whatever it can, until now.
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http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=1026938

 

[Momoffourboys]

There has been no mention of fire or malfunction in days. This was no accident. IMO



A Malaysian government source told CNN Monday that the airliner's turn off course is being considered a "criminal act," either by one of the pilots or someone else onboard the missing airliner.
And in a background briefing given to CNN, Malaysian investigators said they believed the plane was "flown by someone with good flying knowledge of the aircraft."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/01/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

 

[Elley Mae]

You know at this juncture I am starting to wonder if they looked at the graph upside down and it did go north. jmo idk

 

[Momoffourboys]

You know at this juncture I am starting to wonder if they looked at the graph upside down and it did go north. jmo idk

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[JerseyGirl]

The high level briefing by international experts to Chinese next-of-kin of passengers on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in Kuala Lumpur at 10am Wednesday is expected to be brought to families of other Chinese passengers in Beijing live via video conferencing.

Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) Major General Datuk Affendi Buang said the move aimed to provide a clearer picture in regard to technological queries raised by the families.

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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/01/MH370-search-video-conferencing/

 

[JerseyGirl]

Capt. Mark Matthews is the head of the U.S. Navy's Salvage Operations. If the flight recorders aren't found in the next two weeks, Matthews said it's "certainly a possibility" that the plane may never be found.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysi...hout-debris-find-theyll-be-depending-on-luck/

 

[JerseyGirl]

Malaysia’s transport ministry released a transcript today of voice transmission from the cockpit of Flight 370 http://abcnews.go.com/International/real-final-words-flight-370-cockpit-revealed/story?id=23138345

Here's the transcript:

http://abcnews.go.com/International...-transcript-flight-370-communication-23138744

more info about the "new" transcript:

At 1.19 and 24 seconds air traffic control told the pilots ''Malaysian three seven zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 good night.'' This was a sign-off from Kuala Lumpur as the plane entered the area of responsibility for Vietnam air space. Someone in the cockpit replied ''good night Malaysian three seven zero'' at 1.19 and 29 seconds. That was the last contact with the plane.

Malaysian officials said initially they believed the final words were spoken by the plane's first officer Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, who was making his first unsupervised flight in a Boeing 777. But Mr Hishammuddin said '''police are working to confirm this belief and forensic examination of the actual recording is on-going.'''

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http://phuketwan.com/tourism/flight-mh370-mechanical-failure-discounted-turnaround-deliberate-20002/

 

[Elley Mae]

While Malaysia Airlines officials had previously indicated that the voice issuing the message belonged to the co-pilot, investigators are still working with police and forensic experts to confirm this, the statement added. Malaysian authorities &#8212; as well as international investigators &#8212; still believe MH370's movements to be "consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane", the statement said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/01/mh370-cockpit-transcript-released

There are (2) Two very good points in the above. The voice is unconfirmed and that it does appear to be Deliberate. jmo idk

 

[marlywings]

KUALA LUMPUR: The transport of lithium-ion batteries in the cargo of passenger aircraft is a common practice, says the International Air Transport Association (IATA).
Director-General and Chief Executive Officer Tony Tyler said it has to however, be undertaken in accordance with the Dangerous Goods Regulations.
&#8220;I am unaware of the type of lithium batteries on board the missing flight MH370.But all lithium battery types have to pass strict testing requirements to be allowed onto an aircraft,&#8221; he told a press conference here today.
He was responding to a question on whether passenger aircraft are allowed to carry the lithium-ion batteries as part of cargo.
&#8220;Clearly, strict regulations and requirements covering packaging and labelling, have to be followed,&#8221; he added.
Tyler also said Malaysia Airlines (MAS) had a good track record in terms of safety performance.
&#8220;It has been on the IATA registry since 2006 and the current registration will be reviewed in 2016,&#8221; he added.


http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/04/01/iata-speculation-wont-make-flying-safer/

Interesting reading re the batteries....

On September 3, 2010, a Boeing 747-400 flying the route between Dubai International Airport and Cologne Bonn Airport developed an in-flight fire, with the fumes and subsequent crash resulting in the death of the two crewmembers


In October 2010, the FAA issued a Safety Alert for Operators highlighting the fact that the cargo on board Flight 6 contained a large quantity of lithium-ion batteries.[8] The FAA issued a restriction on the carrying of lithium batteries in bulk on passenger flights

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6"]UPS Airlines Flight 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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The cargo from hell....

When UPS Airlines flight 006 was about 28 minutes into it's journey the fire alarm sounded: smoke on the main cargo deck. It was the first of three warnings of a cargo fire on the doomed flight.

The smoke was so dense, investigators said, that the pilots had difficulty in seeing the primary flight instruments, and even in communicating with each other.

Just over a month after the crash, and long before the official report had been written, the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an unusual and disturbing communique'. Safety Alert for Operators 10017 concerned the risks of transporting lithium batteries as aircraft cargo, and specifically mentioned UPS 006.

http://casa.realviewtechnologies.com/default.aspx?iid=46007&startpage=page0000027

 

[JerseyGirl]

Malaysia’s transport ministry released a transcript today of voice transmission from the cockpit of Flight 370 http://abcnews.go.com/International/real-final-words-flight-370-cockpit-revealed/story?id=23138345

Here's the transcript:

http://abcnews.go.com/International...-transcript-flight-370-communication-23138744

MAS 370 (Kuala Lumpur to Beijing)
PILOT-ATC RADIOTELEPHONY TRANSCRIPT
Departure from KLIA: 8 March 2014

ATC DELIVERY
12:25:53 MAS 370 Delivery MAS 370 Good Morning
12:26:02 ATC MAS 370 Standby and Malaysia Six is cleared to Frankfurt via AGOSA Alpha Departure six thousand feet squawk two one zero six
12:26:19 ATC ... MAS 370 request level
12:26:21 MAS 370 MAS 370 we are ready requesting flight level three five zero to Beijing
12:26:39 ATC MAS 370 is cleared to Beijing via PIBOS A Departure Six Thousand Feet squawk two one five seven
12:26:45 MAS 370 Beijing PIBOS A Six Thousand Squawk two one five seven, MAS 370 Thank You
12:26:53 ATC MAS 370 Welcome over to ground
12:26:55 MAS 370 Good Day

LUMPUR GROUND
12:27:27 MAS 370 Ground MAS370 Good morning Charlie One Requesting push and start
12:27:34 ATC MAS370 Lumpur Ground Morning Push back and start approved Runway 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4.
12:27:40 MAS 370 Push back and start approved 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4 POB 239 Mike Romeo Oscar
12:27:45 ATC Copied

12:32:13 MAS 370 MAS377 request taxi.
12:32:26 ATC MAS37..... (garbled) ... standard route. Hold short Bravo
12:32:30 MAS 370 Ground, MAS370. You are unreadable. Say again.
12:32:38 ATC MAS370 taxi to holding point Alfa 11 Runway 32 Right via standard route. Hold short of Bravo.
12:32:42 MAS 370 Alfa 11 Standard route Hold short Bravo MAS370.

12:35:53 ATC MAS 370 Tower
12:36:19 ATC (garbled) ... Tower ... (garbled)
MAS 370 1188 MAS370 Thank you

LUMPUR TOWER
12:36:30 MAS 370 Tower MAS370 Morning
12:36:38 ATC MAS370 good morning. Lumpur Tower. Holding point.. [garbled]..10 32 Right
12:36:50 MAS 370 Alfa 10 MAS370

12:38:43 ATC 370 line up 32 Right Alfa 10.
MAS 370 Line up 32 Right Alfa 10 MAS370.
12:40:38 ATC 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off. Good night.
MAS 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off MAS370. Thank you Bye.

LUMPUR APPROACH
12:42:05 MAS 370 Departure Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:42:10 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero selamat pagi identified. Climb flight level one eight zero cancel SID turn right direct to IGARI
12:42:48 MAS 370 Okay level one eight zero direct IGARI Malaysian one err Three Seven Zero
12:42:52 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Lumpur Radar One Three Two Six good night
MAS 370 Night One Three Two Six Malaysian Three Seven Zero

LUMPUR RADAR (AREA)
12:46:51 MAS 370 Lumpur Control Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:46:51* ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero Lumpur radar Good Morning climb flight level two five zero
12:46:54* MAS370 Morning level two five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
12:50:06 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero climb flight level three five zero
12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero
01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero
01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night
01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero

continuing to piece together:

1:21 a.m.: Radar transponder is switched off.

1:37 a.m.: Next Acars transmission is due, and never comes.

2:15 a.m.: Malaysian military radar spots an aircraft on the west side of Peninsular Malaysia that isn’t using its transponder. This development won’t be publicly known until about a week later. The radar target is Flight 370, heading away from its planned route.

6:30 a.m.: Flight 370 is scheduled to arrive in Beijing.

7:39 a.m.: China’s Xinhua news agency sends a flash bulletin saying contact had been lost with Flight 370. Chinese passengers make up about two-thirds of the people on board the plane.

8:11 a.m.: Last satellite signal sent from the plane, known as a “handshake,” is detected. This development won’t be known for about a week.

8:19 a.m.: Evidence of a “partial handshake” between the aircraft and the ground station eight minutes after the last complete communication. This information was released March 25.

9:15 a.m.: No response from the aircraft when the ground station sent the next message, indicating the plane was no longer logged on to the network.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...se-became-longest-ever-disappearance-timeline

 

[ToutCa]

Hello again to everybody! In frustration with the absence of any news about MH-370, I took a break from posting for the last few days...

The failure of searches so far to turn anything up is worrying. The conclusion that the satellite-ping data established a clear southern track seems flimsy and very questionable.

Why don't Inmarsat and the investigators release the raw ping data?

If not to the public, they should release it to several independent groups of scientists who can go over it with fresh eyes and draw new conclusions about what the plane did between 2:15 and 8:11am.

The northern route has been all but ignored. Countries along that potential path have been allowed to issue rote denials their March 8 radar showed any unknown planes without question, challenge, or public heat.

Worrying.