Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #19

[JerseyGirl]

THE hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could take years and would have to be reviewed in the absence of debris on the ocean surface, the new head of the search, Angus Houston, said yesterday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-may-take-years/story-e6frg95x-1226871605406#

Also in the news:

The Australian has been told that the helicopter carried aboard the navy supply ship HMAS Success has been damaged during a search flight.

Success has been operating in extremely rough weather and the damage was discovered after the aircraft’s return to the ship.

An ADF spokesman said that it was not clear what caused the damage and that it was being investigated.

“While the aircraft is no longer able to participate in the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, this will not affect HMAS Success’s contribution to the overall search effort,” the spokesman said.

It is understood that the helicopter cannot be repaired on board the supply ship.

 

[Carmelita]

I agree that there are inconsistencies in the Malaysian version of events, I also think that their largest mistake was not immediately alerting the national community as soon as the plane dropped from radar and/or stopped communicating. We as a nation though have become accustomed to information on demand and I think this is a case where that information is simply going to be a long time in coming.

We have everything at our finger tips in the cyber world; we can know a load of information that we knew nothing about 30 minutes ago. I have learned a ton just reading some of the threads here about Flight 370. But we are still a nation that transports the bulk of its goods by rail, the same method we used over a 100 years ago. We are still very limited by the logistics of our physical world.

I think finding a plane that is in bits and pieces (which I personally still think is the most likely scenario) in the vast blue cauldron of the Indian Ocean when we have scant evidence of where it went down is a monumental task. The logistics are daunting.

I was amazed when the “new credible evidence” came to light (yet again) and the search area was moved closer to Perth. The talking heads were so excited with the gushing news that the new search area was in calmer waters and closer to land so it would make the search easier.

EH? I immediately thought of the old joke when a man sees another looking for something under a streetlight, the man asks the searcher what he is looking for, the searcher says he is looking for his keys, the helpful man then asks, “Well where about where you?” The first man replies, “I was up the street.” The helpful man says, “ But then why are you looking here?” The first man replies, “Because the light is better.”

It seems to me due to incompetence, willful obfuscation, the passage of time, and the violent nature of the Indian Ocean we really have no idea where to look for this airplane.

 

[Karjinx]

I knew I saw this and "heard" the beeping. I have spent some time trying to relocate this video through google, then found it on YouTube, of the pilot and co pilot going through the security check. So many copies out there without the sound and the voice. Listen carefully to the metal detector going off when the captain goes through. But no additional check on him to see why he set it off when he passed through. Wonder why the guy doing the pat down doesn't even bother to ask what the captain may have had on him to set off the detector? I wonder if the authorities have questioned the guy doing the body search? Who is he? What's his history? Why wasn't the captain asked to go through again after emptying his pockets, and removing his shoes, etc.? What's going on here? Or has this already been discussed & I missed it? I did skip pages here & there in an effort to keep up.
Just remembering my flight of many years ago, when I "beeped" going through. It's amazing what people forget in their pockets, or are wearing. And that was before 9/11!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYvqvPqw74

 

[Momoffourboys]

I knew I saw this and "heard" the beeping. I have spent some time trying to relocate this video through google, then found it on YouTube, of the pilot and co pilot going through the security check. So many copies out there without the sound and the voice. Listen carefully to the metal detector going off when the captain goes through. But no additional check on him to see why he set it off when he passed through. Wonder why the guy doing the pat down doesn't even bother to ask what the captain may have had on him to set off the detector? I wonder if the authorities have questioned the guy doing the body search? Who is he? What's his history? Why wasn't the captain asked to go through again after emptying his pockets, and removing his shoes, etc.? What's going on here? Or has this already been discussed & I missed it? I did skip pages here & there in an effort to keep up.
Just remembering my flight of many years ago, when I "beeped" going through. It's amazing what people forget in their pockets, or are wearing. And that was before 9/11!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYvqvPqw74

Thanks. That video is scary to watch. The guy doing the "body search" hardly even skims either of the pilots. Nothing would surprise me at this point. :banghead:

 

[Momoffourboys]

THE hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could take years and would have to be reviewed in the absence of debris on the ocean surface, the new head of the search, Angus Houston, said yesterday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-may-take-years/story-e6frg95x-1226871605406#

Also in the news:
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Snipped for space.

Just a huge shoutout to JerseyGirl for an outstanding job of keeping us all informed!:woot::woot:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Seems that the first lawsuit has been dismissed already ...

"A judge has dismissed civil action by a Chicago law firm and scolded attorneys for what she describes as an improper filing on behalf of a relative of a passenger on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Judge Kathy Flanagan dismissed the request in a ruling Friday … She has tossed similar filings by Ribbeck in two other airplane crashes and warned the firm it could face "sanctions" if it happens again."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/mh370-civil-action-tossed-chicago-judge

thanks, SouthAussie!

I just read the report on the media thread...

I am so glad the judge threw it out... And is considering legal action against the law firm...

Ambulance chasing lawyers is NOT what this case needs right now...

JMO

 

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[JerseyGirl]

The problem with Chinese reporting:

As the Global Times relates, in the wake of the MH370 disappearance, more than 80 Chinese news outlets flew staff to Kuala Lumpur. But most of them lacked local contacts, knowledge of aviation issues, and proficiency in English, making them solely reliant on the Malaysian government’s daily briefings (which were often inconsistent or erroneous) for information. While western outlets worked their sources for news on the plane, many Chinese outlets stuck to interviewing the families of the passengers, while citing developments that were reported by foreign outlets.

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http://qz.com/194035/it-took-a-miss...ia-to-realize-they-were-no-good-at-reporting/

 

[JerseyGirl]

A Timeline of the Malaysian Government’s Many, Many MH370 Screw-Ups

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/malaysian-governments-many-mh370-screw-ups.html

Upon news that officials couldn’t even correctly quote the four words uttered by the co-pilot before all communication with MH370 was lost, here’s a timeline of Malaysia’s mistakes since the plane disappeared.

 

[ToutCa]

I knew I saw this and "heard" the beeping. I have spent some time trying to relocate this video through google, then found it on YouTube, of the pilot and co pilot going through the security check. So many copies out there without the sound and the voice. Listen carefully to the metal detector going off when the captain goes through. But no additional check on him to see why he set it off when he passed through....snipped for space...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYvqvPqw74

The metal detector did NOT go off when the captain went through.

The audio is NOT from the security screening. CCTV recordings have no sound.

The audio (voice and beeps) is from the later time and place when the published video was recorded. Someone filmed a monitor playing the original CCTV video, capturing the ambient sound in the room while doing so.

 

[Isabelle]

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Sickening to read about finding debris in section titled "Floating Debris".

 

[Isabelle]

THE hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could take years and would have to be reviewed in the absence of debris on the ocean surface, the new head of the search, Angus Houston, said yesterday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-may-take-years/story-e6frg95x-1226871605406#

Also in the news:

The Australian has been told that the helicopter carried aboard the navy supply ship HMAS Success has been damaged during a search flight.

Success has been operating in extremely rough weather and the damage was discovered after the aircraft’s return to the ship.

An ADF spokesman said that it was not clear what caused the damage and that it was being investigated.

“While the aircraft is no longer able to participate in the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, this will not affect HMAS Success’s contribution to the overall search effort,” the spokesman said.

It is understood that the helicopter cannot be repaired on board the supply ship.

This address may be a clue that the search may be ending soon.

 

[CARIIS]

More BS, MAl is playing it like releasing the ATC transcripts is all this spirit of cooperation is a complete lie! They (both the actual tapes and transcripts) are released about 24-48 hours after any crash. The abnormality is it taking a month!
bolded out dates! Another falsehood

Date of crash: On the morning of Saturday,July 6, 2013……

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Jul 6, 2013 - Uploaded by Anon Nymous
Jul 7, 2013 - Uploaded by vigelic
Currently highest transcript
Jul 6, 2013 - Audio: ATC scrambles

just click both the tapes and transcripts were all over the world in 24 hours!

https://www.google.com/#q=atc+control+and+asiana+crash+transcript&spell=1


PS:! The CVR are usually held back due to family = especially if it is fatal. They are ultimatly released. In a similiar vein the CVR transpcripts are released about a week after finding the recorder.

The FDR info typically takes a little longer because it is a lot of data to review etc etc. The recordings of them are typically released when they are sorted out!

 

[ToutCa]

A Timeline of the Malaysian Government’s Many, Many MH370 Screw-Ups

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/malaysian-governments-many-mh370-screw-ups.html

Upon news that officials couldn’t even correctly quote the four words uttered by the co-pilot before all communication with MH370 was lost, here’s a timeline of Malaysia’s mistakes since the plane disappeared.

But officials DID correctly quote the final words from MH370.

The "Alright good night" report did NOT come from Malaysian officials.

In fact, Malaysian officials publicly and immediately denied the accuracy of the "Alright good night" alleged "transcript".

Malaysian officials made many mistakes, but we should ourselves be accurate in listing them.

 

[JerseyGirl]

But officials DID correctly quote the final words from MH370.

The "Alright good night" report did NOT come from Malaysian officials.

In fact, Malaysian officials publicly and immediately denied the accuracy of the "Alright good night" alleged "transcript".

Malaysian officials made many mistakes, but we should ourselves be accurate in listing them.

In Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia&#8217;s Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein released the transcript of the pilots&#8217; last communications with air traffic control, with a new version of the last communication from the cockpit. The transcript showed one of the pilots signing off by saying &#8220;Goodnight Malaysian Three Seven Zero,&#8221; at one hour, 19 minutes, and 29 seconds into the flight &#8212; not &#8220;Alright, goodnight ,&#8221; as the government had previously said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...db4912-b790-4e02-aa66-e94fbd232a36_story.html

On Monday, the government changed its account of the final voice transmission which it had earlier transcribed as &#8220;All right, good night.&#8221;
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140401/NATION/304010034#ixzz2xeEzce7F

Malaysia's ambassador to China told Chinese families in Beijing as early as March 12, four days after the flight went missing, that the last words had been "all right, good night".
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22289804...-authorities-clarify-last-words-from-cockpit/

bbm

 

[time]

The director general of Malaysia's Civil Aviation Department spoke at the International Air Transport Association conference today

During his speech in Kuala Lumpur, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman gave details related to the ongoing search operations, but halted his remarks when he heard cameras clicking in the audience.

&#8220;The last download of the ACARS was at 1:07 in the morning as it passed through the peninsula of Malaysia. The next download was supposed to be at 1:37, half an hour later. I'm sorry, is there any media here? I don't know there's media here, I'm sorry. Can I ask the media to stay out please.&#8221; explained Rahman.

http://www.voanews.com/content/official-says-search-for-malaysian-plane-could-drag-on/1883538.html

I don't think this kind of thing ensures confidence, it only makes them look evasive no matter why this guy is acting this way. It's a conference, not a closed or secret meeting for cripe sake.

 

[time]

In Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia’s Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein released the transcript of the pilots’ last communications with air traffic control, with a new version of the last communication from the cockpit. The transcript showed one of the pilots signing off by saying “Goodnight Malaysian Three Seven Zero,” at one hour, 19 minutes, and 29 seconds into the flight — not “Alright, goodnight ,” as the government had previously said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...db4912-b790-4e02-aa66-e94fbd232a36_story.html

On Monday, the government changed its account of the final voice transmission which it had earlier transcribed as “All right, good night.”
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140401/NATION/304010034#ixzz2xeEzce7F

Malaysia's ambassador to China told Chinese families in Beijing as early as March 12, four days after the flight went missing, that the last words had been "all right, good night".
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22289804...-authorities-clarify-last-words-from-cockpit/

bbm

Thank you, I was trying to track down where the first version came from... and where did the first transcript come from?

From your last link...

Previously, Malaysia Airlines said the words were believed to have come from the co-pilot.

I'm glad they are validating whose voice this is. I take it that the rest of the voice transmission from the plane was the co-pilot speaking though ... maybe my assumption ... and only the last words are in question?

 

[ToutCa]

In Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia’s Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein released the transcript of the pilots’ last communications with air traffic control, with a new version of the last communication from the cockpit. The transcript showed one of the pilots signing off by saying “Goodnight Malaysian Three Seven Zero,” at one hour, 19 minutes, and 29 seconds into the flight — not “Alright, goodnight ,” as the government had previously said.

Such accounts are inaccurate.

Initially, an unofficial ATC transcript translated from Mandarin to English was leaked. It contained the "Alright good night" alleged sign-off. Malaysian officials immediately stated it was inexact, inaccurate and unofficial.

Neither the ambassador to China nor other Malaysian officials spoke in the terms alleged:

However, on March 12, Iskandar Sarudin, Malaysia's Ambassador to China, Iskandar Sarudin, addressed relatives in Beijing. He discussed the final words with them in Mandarin. He did not release an official transcript.

These words were later translated into English in media reports, apparently confirming the final words from the cockpit were "Alright, good night".

Since then, the Malaysian government has said that the words "Alright, goodnight" were not entirely accurate, but it has refused to release the accurate transcript, citing an ongoing investigation.

BBM, as published on Sky News and YahooNewsUK within the last 30 minutes.

Further, both the old and new transcripts reveal a routine flight that was entirely unremarkable.

 

[Cajunsoccerdad]

What about Diego Garcia's radar the night of flight? I've been reading comments here faithfully and watching the simulator, toy planes, ect on CNN. But still can't understand how a military base didn't pick up that plane crossing Indian ocean.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thank you, I was trying to track down where the first version came from... and where did the first transcript come from?

From your last link...


I'm glad they are validating whose voice this is. I take it that the rest of the voice transmission from the plane was the co-pilot speaking though ... maybe my assumption ... and only the last words are in question?

I copied the first transcript here in the forums. I'll have to find it. here's another source:

Published On: Mar 15 2014 07:47:32 PM CDT Updated On: Mar 23 2014 04:33:04 PM CDT

"All right, good night" were the final words from the cockpit, said Zulazri Mohd Ahnuar, a Malaysian civil aviation officer.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Tracking-of-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane/24998078