Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #20

[Intermezzo]

At this moment, i'm skeptic. CNN is talking about the ping find not being in the "search area" and how SAR went off course. :facepalm:

I was just about to ask that question..
so the Chinese search vessel was searching in a different area? one that the joint search teams had not plotted yet!
in other words, they went off on their own to a different location?

 

[aa9511]

YES. Quest said the ship wasn't in the assigned search area LOL I think it may be doing some spying not just for debris.... JMO

Yes, this is what I thought too when Richard Quest said it was "hundred of miles" from the search area.

Remember when India did not want Chinese ships searching by the Andaman islands? And Indian government said outright - we do not believe the Chinese, it's obvious to us they are just wanting to come here in the guise of finding the plane, but really they just want to do spy work. There is some link for this somewhere. India actually said this.

So yes, I am very skeptical of why the Chinese ship was there in the first place.

I am just BAFFLED that don't all of these search ships have to "check-in" with Australia and let their daily search areas be known to Australia? I'm wondering if Australia KNEW the Chinese ship was in that area?

This is really confusing, as usual.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

I as just about to ask that question..
the Chinese search vessel was searching in a different area? one that the joint search teams had not plotted yet!
in other words, they went off on their own to a different location?

:facepalm:

It must really have been difficult for Australia to let these Chinese ships come and search their waters. Kudos to Australia, they went above and beyond. Think about - you have let another country, not a certain ally, come into your waters and search around with who-knows-what kind of secret spy capabiilities built into their military ships.

Kudos to Australia.

 

[J1981]

That is an interesting map. I love when the media creates simple graphics like this.



Would it indicate less fuel? The plane seems to have been flying, or at least sending signals for as long as they’d assumed it would based on the fuel it should have had on board.



What’s the total flight distance to this new location, vs. the original presumed crash area?



I can’t seem to find the correct words to say what I want to say. :laughitup:

I understand (I think). It doesn't say that the plane necessarily had less fuel; you're right. That is just one possible explanation, especially if the plane was on autopilot without anyone at the controls (which, as an aside, I don't believe).

The other option is that someone was at the controls, and chose to go down earlier than previously calculated.

And...of corse there are 14 other possibilities

 

[ilovepierre]

Source:
Mashable ‏@mashable 1h
Chinese ship detects possible black box pulse signal in #MH370's search area http://on.mash.to/1ilRjYd pic.twitter.com/miMj5Jz302

I wonder then if the plane tried landing at either the Cocos or Christmas Islands...the new search location is pretty close to them.

 

[ilovepierre]

Hope the black box is not inside of a whale...

Would a whale be able to swallow a black box?
Their mouths are like giant filters and I would think a black box would be too large.

 

[LambChop]

I don't want to blow margins but there is a really interesting map on this site: it shows the current ping in relation to last known location and current search areas. Looks like if this is the spot that the plane had less fuel than thought.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-southern-Indian-Ocean.html#comments-2597630

If you look at the chart in this article the area where the Chinese ship is located is within the Southern arc area. jmo

 

[cluciano63]

Would a whale be able to swallow a black box?
Their mouths are like giant filters and I would think a black box would be too large.

Lol, I do not know how large the boxes are...it just seems like with the luck they have been having...

http://www.wired.com/2009/03/cockpit-voice-r/

Photo of one shown here...does not look very big.

 

[ElleElle]

I was just about to ask that question..
so the Chinese search vessel was searching in a different area? one that the joint search teams had not plotted yet!
in other words, they went off on their own to a different location?

Yes, but the vessel could have been "on its way" to the search area.

IDK why they can just say they located the "pulse", but have nothing to back it up. :banghead:

 

[JerseyGirl]

wow, here's an article I found from April 2nd. The Chinese detected a signal on Tuesday, April 2nd?? This is the first I've heard! I've suspected for the last few days that China was doing their own "separate" search according to THEIR satellite radar and data. So, the Chinese ships, Jinggangshan and Donghaijiu 101, retreived a beacon late Tuesday, then on Saturday (today) the Haixun 31 heard another? :scared:


2014-04-02 06:06:35

Two Chinese ships in search of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean retrieved a beacon late Tuesday, said an embedded Xinhua reporter.

The crews aboard Jinggangshan and Donghaijiu 101 told Xinhua that the beacon might be cast by aircraft involved in the hunt for the ill-fated Boeing 777 jetliner but confirmation was needed.

The two ships are among the seven Chinese vessels currently scouring waters some 2,000 kilometers west of the western Australian port city of Perth. Two Chinese IL-76 planes are also assisting the undertaking.

Meanwhile, a three-ship Chinese naval flotilla previously deployed in the Gulf of Aden for escort missions teamed up with Chinese patrol vessel Haixun 31 on Tuesday to search for the missing plane south of Australia's Christmas Island.

http://english.cri.cn/6909/2014/04/02/191s820121.htm

bbm

 

[aa9511]

I wonder then if the plane tried landing at either the Cocos or Christmas Islands...the new search location is pretty close to them.

IMO, whoever set the auto-pilot (I think it was on auto-pilot), set the coordinates for Perth, Australia. It sure is beginning to look that way, doesn't it? The current search area and also the Chinese location seems to be right along the route like the plane was headed to Perth.

What if Perth was a target?

IDK.

But surely whoever did this would have known they would have run out of fuel before they reached Perth. They seem to have planned every other detail of it meticulously.

I have said before that if it was on auto-pilot, that means someone would have had to enter in coordinates for the "end destination." If the goal was to get lost in the middle of the ocean, why woudln't they have entered in coordinates farther South and in the middle of the South Indian Ocean - along the lines of where the original search area was, or maybe even farther away from Australia and even more in the middle of nowhere.

It is seeming more and more like the final end destination the user put into the auto-pilot were the coordinates for Perth, Australia.

JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

:facepalm:

It must really have been difficult for Australia to let these Chinese ships come and search their waters.

I thought it was international waters??

 

[ElleElle]

I wonder then if the plane tried landing at either the Cocos or Christmas Islands...the new search location is pretty close to them.

I don't think the plane tried to land. But, it is weird it is totally in the opposite direction of it's original flight path.

The only conclusion that makes most sense, is MH370 flew on auto-pilot and ran out of fuel.

 

[aa9511]

I thought it was international waters??

IDK JerseyGirl, the current search areas look awfully close to Australia to my eyes.

 

[Momoffourboys]

wow, here's an article I found from April 2nd. The Chinese detected a signal on Tuesday, April 2nd?? This is the first I've heard! I've suspected for the last few days that China was doing their own "separate" search according to THEIR satellite radar and data. So, the Chinese ships, Jinggangshan and Donghaijiu 101, retreived a beacon late Tuesday, then on Saturday (today) the Haixun 31 heard another? :scared:


2014-04-02 06:06:35

Two Chinese ships in search of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean retrieved a beacon late Tuesday, said an embedded Xinhua reporter.

The crews aboard Jinggangshan and Donghaijiu 101 told Xinhua that the beacon might be cast by aircraft involved in the hunt for the ill-fated Boeing 777 jetliner but confirmation was needed.

The two ships are among the seven Chinese vessels currently scouring waters some 2,000 kilometers west of the western Australian port city of Perth. Two Chinese IL-76 planes are also assisting the undertaking.

Meanwhile, a three-ship Chinese naval flotilla previously deployed in the Gulf of Aden for escort missions teamed up with Chinese patrol vessel Haixun 31 on Tuesday to search for the missing plane south of Australia's Christmas Island.

http://english.cri.cn/6909/2014/04/02/191s820121.htm

bbm

On Thursday, when we waited all day for BIG news, there was also a mention of a ship headed to a specific location. There was never an update on that. I wonder if this is related.

"A British Royal Navy survey ship, HMS Echo, will be conducting a specific search on Friday, a spokesperson for the Australian Defence Force told CNN."

http://wqad.com/2014/04/03/flight-370-ships-approach-search-area-amid-hope-of-new-leads/

 

[JerseyGirl]

IDK JerseyGirl, the current search areas look awfully close to Australia to my eyes.

If it is, then it brings up why Australia or the US didn't detected it. You would think with all the technology down there, as well as *cough* Pine Gap *cough*, that they would have detected the plane.

 

[JerseyGirl]

On Thursday, when we waited all day for BIG news, there was also a mention of a ship headed to a specific location. There was never an update on that. I wonder if this is related.

So the Chinese detected a signal on Tuesday but the committee didn't advise anyone of this, did the Chinese tell them?? Or did they wait until the Haixun 31 arrived, where they confirmed it today.

I just heard on CNN that Australia is thinking of devoting assets to verify what was found in the Chinese search area.

 

[LambChop]

About our oceans
Who owns the oceans?

Under international law a nation owns its territorial (coastal) waters, which extend 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) beyond its coast. All ships may move freely outside that area.

More at link.....

http://www.mesa.edu.au/seaweek2010/bkgd02.asp

 

[cady]

My understanding is that all the participating countries are reporting to the Joint Agency EXCEPT China, which reports to Beijing, which then reports to the joint agency...........sort of like the famous "allright goodnight" transcript........JMO JMO

 

[Momoffourboys]

So the Chinese detected a signal on Tuesday but the committee didn't advise anyone of this, did the Chinese tell them?? Or did they wait until the Haixun 31 arrived, where they confirmed it today.

I just heard on CNN that Australia is thinking of devoting assets to verify what was found in the Chinese search area.

Timing makes sense. I think:banghead:
"Thinking of re-directing assets to verify". This is baffling.
If they don't trust the Chinese SAR...then why are they even there?