Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
Rebolded

I thought the Bluefin-21 was brought in after the pings were detected to do the sonar search of the sea floor?

You are absolutely correct. The Bluefin-21 is doing underwater searching by sonar image for the plane right now. The pings were detected by a pinger locator device which was dragged along behind a ship. The Bluefin may have listening devices too but that is not its primary mission right now.

While that senior naval person is becoming increasingly suspicous of the pings I am increasingly suspicous that they are in the totally wrong area and are not as on top of things as we were lead to believe if the senior naval commander can state something so wrong as you have just pointed out. Sheeessh.
 
[FONT=&quot]It is nothing other than stunning , in light of the significance of radar, communications, satellites and all their capabilities to discover that the United States biggest and most sophisticated ground station (and not a mention in the media –ever). is located 2882 miles away from Malaysia.and 2237 miles from Perth…………………in a place called Pine Gap in Australia.. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Basics regarding one of the biggest tracking stations on earth:[/FONT]

-one of the largest satellite ground stations in the world……eavesdrop on a wide range of radio, radar and microwave signals.
-signals intelligence collection....... equipment by nation, ...., ships, submarines, aircraft and satellites……..'real-time tracking and relocation''
- regulates radio frequency use-
-NRO - the station is a key contributor to the global surveillance network

[FONT=&quot]-
[/FONT]………..”Pine Gap has some fairly awesome capabilities when it comes to intelligence gathering,"

Its location was chosen because of its proximity to the Asian countries in that region.

[FONT=&quot]Pine Gap: Australia's most secretive location[/FONT]


http://www.news.com.au/national/pine-gap-australia8217s-most-secretive-location/story-fncynjr2-1226687597135

Australian outback station at forefront of US spying arsenal


http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/securi...ront-of-us-spying-arsenal-20130726-hv10h.html

Pretty difficult to conclude that no one has seen anything when the most sophisticated tracking system is a short "jaunt" away ....................just MO!

 
A quite lengthy report from today's press conference. The "whole world should take the blame"?!?!?!?!?! hmmmm okkkk...

Missing flight MH370: Live updates as Malaysia, Australia and China agree to reexamine all data on vanished jet

May 17, 2014

9:53 am: Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370.

The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location.

It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared.

“If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3548976#ixzz31yi2wGQq
 
A quite lengthy report from today's press conference. The "whole world should take the blame"?!?!?!?!?! hmmmm okkkk...

Missing flight MH370: Live updates as Malaysia, Australia and China agree to reexamine all data on vanished jet

May 17, 2014

9:53 am: Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370.

The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location.

It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared.

“If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3548976#ixzz31yi2wGQq

With all due respect - is this man for real?
 
A quite lengthy report from today's press conference. The "whole world should take the blame"?!?!?!?!?! hmmmm okkkk...

Missing flight MH370: Live updates as Malaysia, Australia and China agree to reexamine all data on vanished jet

May 17, 2014

9:53 am: Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370.

The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location.

It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared.

“If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3548976#ixzz31yi2wGQq
That is just nuts!!!!
 
Is there a "icon" thing that says "waiting for a quarter of year"!

Media is fading -- it will all be dropped .....and go away just like the 777ER!

To quote Steely.... :waiting:
 
Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370. The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location. It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared. “If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

From recent reading, I know that the USA & the UK run EVERY passport name through Interpol before ANY plane flight takes off ... Malaysia did not run even one name by Interpol.

Since 911 the USA send up a military jet any time a plane goes off course or loses communication.
Last year France responded to 70 such in-flight investigations. If Malaysia had sent a military jet to investigate,
then 239 lives would have been saved & the world wouldn't have spent millions of dollars looking for the missing plane.
How can these countries be blamed for Malaysia's mistakes & ommissions ???

If he wants the world to accept the blame, then the world should be allowed to try & help solve the mystery by being able to view ALL the documentation ! There are some very knowledgeable & technical people willing to analyze the data if only he would stop restricting the release of ALL information about the missing plane.
 
Great post! I agree. The only party to blame in this case is Malaysia due to the lack of logistics and security.

Clearly, MH370 was in no distress because MAS Ops did not advise as so.

Can't really blamed radar as other countries saw MH370 off course as a commercial aircraft.

JMO


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Pretty much from the beginning the media had begun making comparisons to AF 447. resulting, IMO,, in the notion that it took two years of active searching before finding the actual wreckage of flight 447.

The media has also given the impression that it took 5 days to find conclusive proof that flight 447 had crashed into an ocean when the timeline is as follows:

1 June 2009 .... after 02:10 UTC it vanished from radar.

Within hours on June 2 2009 --…..wreckage and signs of oil, ...an aircraft seat, an orange buoy, a barrel, and "white pieces and electrical conductors were located confirming that the aircraft had indeed crashed into the ocean............


….five days after Flight 447 disappeared, two male bodies, ….a seat, a nylon backpack containing a computer …vaccination card …. leather briefcase containing a boarding pass for the Air France flight had been found on the surface.

On day 6, search crews recovered the Airbus's stablizer

By the ninth day …….. 50 bodies………….had been located

Within 25 days …………… 640 items of debris from the aircraft had been located………..

671 days passed since the crash itself and the location of the main wreckage of the aircraft . Of those 671 days the total amount of active sea searching occurred for approximately 80 days…………

Were on what day 70 now and not one iota , of an iota(!) has been located with 25 nations involved ....

It’s also important to remain cognizant that tropical cyclone Jack got a bit close to the search area -on the 23rd of April - a full 6 weeks after nothing had yet to be seen floating …….

The conclusion, based on NOTHING, that the airplane is in the water is still being held on to even tho we NOW know that the search ships had faulty equipment AND again, nothing had been found scouring the depths of miles of ocean ........................
.
IMO, Air France was found because it had crashed in the ocean….. it’s a physics thing, stuff floats, stuff sinks ........... laws of gravity ... while the notion , for months, that it makes some sense that life rafts, seat cushions, emergeny slides , paper cups, for some reason just will not be on top of the ocean??

In the Queens AMerican airlines crash the stablizer (tail) floated, in Air France the stablizer floated, in a test flight for A320 the stablizer floated, in TWA 800 metal objects were found floating - stuff that weighs TONS.............

and noone has seen one life vest? (I remember being haunted by seeing safety cards floating - do not remember which crash it was )


Pics of heavy items in various aviation disasters:

https://www.google.com/search?q=twa+800+debris&client=firefox-a&hs=rdN&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1IB3U6jAIo7JsQTy3ICAAw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw&biw=1088&bih=482#channel=sb&q=airplane+debris+in+ocean&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:eek:fficial&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=3dbHXgwQRaVSPM%253A%3Bmn2pHoaHmLksXM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%252F-mm-%252F60a4d72ef0dcceae0f413f8efd850546bec80116%252Fc%253D72-0-1848-1336%2526r%253Dx383%2526c%253D540x380%252Flocal%252F-%252Fmedia%252FUSATODAY%252FUSATODAY%252F2014%252F03%252F11%252F%252F1394578112000-AP-France-Brazil-Plane-Crash.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.usatoday.com%252Fstory%252Fnews%252Fnation%252F2014%252F03%252F12%252Fplane-crash-recovery%252F6298345%252F%3B540%3B380

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...iact=rc&uact=3&dur=414&page=2&start=8&ndsp=12


https://www.google.com/search?q=To+...-in-aviation-history-november-12th%2F;620;413

https://www.google.com/search?q=twa...2F2006%2F01%2F06%2F1136387602682.html;300;456


https://www.google.com/search?q=twa...2%2Fplane-crash-recovery%2F6298345%2F;540;380

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...iact=rc&uact=3&dur=6166&page=1&start=0&ndsp=8

http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/chronologie.enquete.en.php
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447"]Air France Flight 447 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]



https://www.google.com/search?q=twa...llery%2F0%2C29307%2C1872244%2C00.html;611;404
 
From recent reading, I know that the USA & the UK run EVERY passport name through Interpol before ANY plane flight takes off ... Malaysia did not run even one name by Interpol.

Since 911 the USA send up a military jet any time a plane goes off course or loses communication.
Last year France responded to 70 such in-flight investigations. If Malaysia had sent a military jet to investigate,
then 239 lives would have been saved & the world wouldn't have spent millions of dollars looking for the missing plane.
How can these countries be blamed for Malaysia's mistakes & ommissions ???

If he wants the world to accept the blame, then the world should be allowed to try & help solve the mystery by being able to view ALL the documentation ! There are some very knowledgeable & technical people willing to analyze the data if only he would stop restricting the release of ALL information about the missing plane.

^^Amen!!
 
A quite lengthy report from today's press conference. The "whole world should take the blame"?!?!?!?!?! hmmmm okkkk...

Missing flight MH370: Live updates as Malaysia, Australia and China agree to reexamine all data on vanished jet

May 17, 2014

9:53 am: Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370.

The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location.

It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared.

“If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3548976#ixzz31yi2wGQq


My first reaction is to be angry at his comments. My second is, 'Huh?'

What is wrong with this guy, he is so arrogant it seems. Malaysian authorities didn't act when this plane went missing. Other countries have spent millions helping in the search... so their citizens are paying for that. I'm just astounded. Someone shut this guy up!
 
Is there a "icon" thing that says "waiting for a quarter of year"!

Media is fading -- it will all be dropped .....and go away just like the 777ER!

rbbm.

Except perhaps in Cannes!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2014/05/16/21677401-wenn-story.html

"The tragedy has inspired the story behind The Vanishing Act, a new film which is being promoted at Cannes. The producers claim the movie will tell "the untold story" of the missing plane - even though authorities in a number of nations, including Malaysia, Australia and China, have yet to find any evidence of aircraft debris or human remains.

Indian filmmaker Rupesh Paul will direct the movie, which he hopes to begin shooting in India and the U.S. in time for a proposed September release.

However, a representative at his Rupesh Paul Productions firm insists the film is not a direct adaptation of the real-life disaster, as few real facts are actually known about what really happened to flight MH370".
 
rbbm.

Except perhaps in Cannes!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2014/05/16/21677401-wenn-story.html

"The tragedy has inspired the story behind The Vanishing Act, a new film which is being promoted at Cannes. The producers claim the movie will tell "the untold story" of the missing plane - even though authorities in a number of nations, including Malaysia, Australia and China, have yet to find any evidence of aircraft debris or human remains.

Indian filmmaker Rupesh Paul will direct the movie, which he hopes to begin shooting in India and the U.S. in time for a proposed September release

However, a representative at his Rupesh Paul Productions firm insists the film is not a direct adaptation of the real-life disaster, as few real facts are actually known about what really happened to flight MH370".



BBM

That says it all.....what a mess
 
First post here about 370....many many posts on 370 specific threads elsewhere.

On one of those sites, fwiw, a 777 pilot posts frequently. He's believed from the get-go that Zaharie must have ditched the plane.

He changed his mind several days ago after meeting up with a 777 captain who is a 777 instructor for Boeing. That Captain also originally believed in pilot take down. Now neither believe any such thing.

Boeing pilot says he's convinced there was an electrical fire in the cockpit. Slow to begin with, and fits with when transponder and ACARS went down. He says the fumes would have been toxic enough to incapacitate both pilots pretty quickly.

And he knows the 777 could fly on for hours after, even without autopilot, tho the plane would increase altitude as fuel tanks emptied.

No conspiracy. Just negligent Malaysian authorities, mechanical defect, and possibly, an unwillingness of other nations to reveal their capabilities so that 370 can be located.
Thank you for the input. That also has been going through my mind for a while as I do not believe either pilot deliberately diverted the plane or were in control of it when it went down. Also believe there is a lot the authorities do not want the public to be aware of.

MOO
 
A quite lengthy report from today's press conference. The "whole world should take the blame"?!?!?!?!?! hmmmm okkkk...

Missing flight MH370: Live updates as Malaysia, Australia and China agree to reexamine all data on vanished jet

May 17, 2014

9:53 am: Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370.

The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location.

It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared.

“If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3548976#ixzz31yi2wGQq

Interesting comment from Hussein considering the vast amount of assistance his country has received from other nations in searching for this missing plane. So it is the fault of the other nations that nothing has been found? Perhaps more forthcoming information from Malaysia would have been useful, such as the true manifest of the cargo and most importantly, an acknowledgment of the plane being off course in a more timely manner.

:waitasec:

MOO
 
Several things struck me. THE ELT's will activate THEN be impacted by water . AF 447 was in a different part of the world and quite out there where are there are known lets say black holes in communicating! MAL was much closer to land masses, in an area with all sorts of electronic monitoring" stuff! THe notion that noone picked up one of several ELTS indicates that it did not crash.

The notion of a "soft water landing" in a swept wing jumbo jet , with hung engines under the wing can in no way be a "soft landing" - its akin to saying an aircraft without landing gear can make a "soft" landing on concrete ! A soft landing is a physical impossibility, airspeed is too correlated with being able to remain "flying".

Get to slow, what happened to Air France happens - it stalls and falls!

The notion of "soft" is more about aircraft integrity as opposed to soft as it used in everyday context.

The G Forces , in water , of either landing gear and then engines impacting a large mass and interfering with forward motion would meet activation ctiteria or be pretty useless. Human tolerances as far as G Forces go are pretty limited! To set an insturment to a g force activation threshold so high that the occupants would have exploded defeats the whole reason for ELT in the first place - to rescue survivors in the event of a crash!

There certainly have been , like all things electronic, failures - bit in MAL instance if it did crash I would supsect MAL Air to have let the batteries expire!

But when you take the totality of the evidence,over two months out we have:
- no elt
-no debris
-no bodies
-no wreckage
-no distress call-
-evidently no transponders from the ocean
-no debris on the floor of a large amount of ocean

there is no "conspriacy" angle here-- for any individual to concude, in light of the above-mentioned and more , that the notion that MAL 370 is intact, on land, is well, nothing, other than a reasonable conclusion , by a reasonable person, in light of the known facts
with NOTHING to challenge such a conclusion.

It has been fascinating to me that this far out , when NOTHING leads that way that most are still in the "ocean" theory - defies logic!

The only "fact" in over two months is that MAL vanished THAT is the only thing known thus far. In reality there is no evidence whatsoever of a "crash" on land or on water. The absence of any evidence regarding either a water or land crash, IMO, ought to lead one to conclude that nothing crashed.

Its like really believing that something is "red" even though, for months, all we have found is yellow, green, silver, blue, purple, crimson,violet,orange, white,beige, black, gray, aqua,lavender,pink,blue green,gold,- it might be time to challenge our notions surrounding "red"!

We can also, after over two months, be correct in questioning "experts" that have launched the "ocean" conclusion, pretty instantly, after the 8th, in that nothing "red" has been found, seen, heard or witnessed!

The only eyewitness "stuff", in the whole affair, is folks (shortly afterwards) saying they saw a large jet, flying way to low, with red and white markings!!!! It is also signfiigant that in those reports, noone said they saw an airplane in distress, experiencing engine problems or flying erratically. What they did describe was a plane , flying very low,( like millions of jetliners do in preparation for landing) in an area, that we all have learned, is rich with runways that can easily accomodate the Boeing 777.

These things we know.................................

A PS here, I went to Wiki to explore what the media has eagerly teased as other aviation mysteries (giving the impression that this happens with some regularity). What I found was basically many airplanes that had " vansihed" in the 30's 40 50s 60 's when aircraft navigation was in its infancy, search technology non existant and propeller aircraft to put it bluntly - just not reliable.

. None of those realities and nuances are attached to the history of "vanished" aircraft - although they are huge and in reality result in MAL being a first on many many dimensions - which possibly ought to lead to other notions that are relevant to technology today, and its capabilities which in MAL case has never been observed before.

To put MAl in any of those categories, IMO, is to stall finding out the truth regarding where the plane is and what is going on..........


<modsnip>
 
There are always reasons for secrets...................................................
 
Welcome back, Cariis.
Who would've thought we would still be discussing theories at this point, huh?
So many possible scenarios. Too many.
 
A quite lengthy report from today's press conference. The "whole world should take the blame"?!?!?!?!?! hmmmm okkkk...

Missing flight MH370: Live updates as Malaysia, Australia and China agree to reexamine all data on vanished jet

May 17, 2014

9:53 am: Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the whole world should take the blame for the unsuccessful search for flight MH370.

The unprecedented hunt for the missing airline has not yet uncovered a single piece of debris to prove the plane's last location.

It has now been 70 days since the aircraft disappeared.

“If you want to apportion blame, you have to apportion blame to nearly the whole world,” Hussein said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3548976#ixzz31yi2wGQq

:what:

How is it the world's fault that Malaysia lost their own plane?!
How ridiculous!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
167
Guests online
1,199
Total visitors
1,366

Forum statistics

Threads
602,129
Messages
18,135,252
Members
231,244
Latest member
HollyMcKee
Back
Top