Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #2

[ZaZara]

max seddon ‏@maxseddon

Ukrainian government letter asking rebels to allow experts, OSCE access to #MH17. Addressed "to whom it may concern."

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/490760295108055040/photo/1

 

[SouthAussie]

WARNING: VIDEOS ARE VERY GRAPHIC:

http://news.vice.com/video/exclusive-footage-of-mh17-aftermath-russian-roulette-dispatch-60

http://news.vice.com/topic/ukraine

Interesting link mom :seeya:

Not only the MH17 video, but the others on this site showing what the people are going through on a daily basis .. losing their loved ones too.

 

[ZaZara]

max seddon ‏@maxseddon 2 min.

OSCE say they don't know how many #MH17 bodies are in the Torez trains. Stench truly disgusting.




Tall man on the right is Alexander Hug, leader of OSCE-team

Bio:
http://www.osce.org/node/117814

Before his appointment to the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, Alexander Hug was a Section Head and a Senior Adviser to the OSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities.
Hug, a trained lawyer, served as an officer in the Swiss Army, including a stint as regional commander of the Swiss Headquarters Support Unit for the OSCE in northern Bosnia and Herzegovina. He has also worked for the OSCE Mission in Kosovo, the Temporary International Presence in Hebron, and the EU Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo (EULEX).

 

[momrids6]

Interesting link mom :seeya:

Not only the MH17 video, but the others on this site showing what the people are going through on a daily basis .. losing their loved ones too.

Yes- those ended any chance of me sleeping for awhile. About to run to town for coffee & donuts and hopefully take a nap later

 

[wb180]

"You are only here because foreigners are dead," he said.

And the old story was repeated, the same story I have heard on numerous roadblocks.

The Western media were all capitalists doing the bidding of their American and EU masters.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28384930

What that moron rebel must be an understatement of the year. Yes because u <modsnip> killed innocent foreigners and that's why we are here and we are fricken pissed off.

 

[ZaZara]

max seddon &#8207;@maxseddon 2 min.

Berkut guarding #MH17 bodies are most serious guys I've seen anywhere out east. Total opposite of crash site chaos.


BBM

 

[zwiebel]

"Some of the militia have been seen wearing new watches .. presumably from the victims" ... Ch 7 TV news

History repeats itself.
WW2. Infamous photo that Stalin ordered to be doctored. This original didn't surface for decades.

Note the two watches the Soviet soldier is wearing.

http://media.museumofhoaxes.com/Reichstag_original.jpg

 

[Trident]

In my opinion there is plenty of smoke, mirrors, and lies to go around the world.

In the end we are ALL pawns on the chess board of the elite, actors for the amusement of the gods, another wave of soldiers/civilians in a war we know nothing of.

My opinion only.

 

[zwiebel]

In my opinion there is plenty of smoke, mirrors, and lies to go around the world.

In the end we are ALL pawns on the chess board of the elite, actors for the amusement of the gods, another wave of soldiers/civilians in a war we know nothing of.

My opinion only.

I wouldn't say nothing. I was talking about it months ago, on a thread I opened here at WS. I gave up though. I knew it was a hopeless cause with the deteriorating situating.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...the-animals-left-behind&highlight=zoo+ukraine

ETA: And if Mr Z (who travels a lot) had attempted to fly over Eastern Ukrainian airspace, I'd have brought the house down to try and stop him going.

 

[SouthAussie]

max seddon &#8207;@maxseddon 2 min.

Berkut guarding #MH17 bodies are most serious guys I've seen anywhere out east. Total opposite of crash site chaos.


BBM

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I had to Google 'Berkut' ... Ukraine's elite riot police/special force police.

 

[momrids6]

max seddon &#8207;@maxseddon 2 min.

Berkut guarding #MH17 bodies are most serious guys I've seen anywhere out east. Total opposite of crash site chaos.


BBM

A bit of background on the Berkut :
[h=1]Why Ukraine's Berkut Special Police Force Is So Scary[/h]http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-ukraines-brutal-berkut-police-force-2014-1

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes- those ended any chance of me sleeping for awhile. About to run to town for coffee & donuts and hopefully take a nap later

A regular double-double and a chocolate glazed please. :biggrin:

 

[momrids6]

I wouldn't say nothing. I was talking about it months ago, on a thread I opened here at WS. I gave up though. I knew it was a hopeless cause with the deteriorating situating.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...the-animals-left-behind&highlight=zoo+ukraine

ETA: And if Mr Z (who travels a lot) had attempted to fly over Eastern Ukrainian airspace, I'd have brought the house down to try and stop him going.

Z, we know alot about this at our house. FIL has distant cousins in W Germany my 16 yr old corresponds with, and we have been watching Ukraine/Russia "live" online for quite awhile.

 

[Trident]

I wouldn't say nothing. I was talking about it months ago, on a thread I opened here at WS. I gave up though. I knew it was a hopeless cause with the deteriorating situating.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...the-animals-left-behind&highlight=zoo+ukraine
ETA: And if Mr Z (who travels a lot) had attempted to fly over Eastern Ukrainian airspace, I'd have brought the house down to try and stop him going.

Skimmed through the thread. Thank you, lots of good stuff there.

 

[momrids6]

OT: Drug cartels shooting at US agents on Rio Grande- Southern US border: News on TV now

 

[2rose]

Since the safety of investigators was guaranteed, CNN tv is reporting that things have gotten better in the last hour, as hundreds of investigators (still fewer than needed) have finally been let on the location to work (under some supervision). Typically it takes 3 investigators for every passenger.

 

[Lyra500]

Kozitsin replies: "That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn't be *advertiser censored**ing flying. There is a war going on."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...-phone-tap-separatists-responsibility/5606578

Even if they establish a "safety air corridor" the above comment is why any commercial planes flying over the area will still be at risk.

That comment alone is so unbelievably moronic that it chills the blood. If those are the people holding guns and in charge, what hope is there? That and the comment by a rebel leader based in Russia that the plane had been loaded with already dead corpses and shot down by Ukraine (probably in cahoots with the US) to discredit the pro-Russian separatists illustrate the truly terrifying levels of delusion which can happen in these conflicts.

 

[zwiebel]

So it seems like 196 bodies have been loaded onto a train and no-one knows where they are going, or if they are going to be returned to relatives?

I wouldn't be surprised if they are not.

 

[gramcracker]

Mary Schiavo on CNN now, when asked how this crash scene differs from others she has seen:
"The wrong people are looking down the barrel of a gun."

 

[Trident]

Mary Schiavo on CNN now, when asked how this crash scene differs from others she has seen:
"The wrong people are looking down the barrel of a gun."

Guess it depends on how ya spin it. History is written by the victors, and facts are written by those doing the investigations. Truth, along with the dead humanity, is also a victim, one way or another. Does it matter who does the lying so long as we know we will never hear the truth?

MOO