Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #2

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If this was a planned abduction, the following still gnaws at me and defies the logic of most kidnappings:
  • How did the perp(s) know exactly where in the house NQ was sleeping? There is a very short window from when the family arrived until when she vanished.
  • Furthermore, if the parents were sleeping downstairs, how would a perp enter, take NQ and leave w/o anyone hearing anything.
  • This includes the siblings who were sleeping with her upstairs in the mezzanine bedroom. It’s a very open area. A perp would have to enter, walk up those stairs, grab NQ, go back down and exit out the window. That’s a lot of action and movement within several feet of four other people - two upstairs and two down.
  • If the perp is local, when exactly did they spot NQ and enact their master plan? Family arrived late Saturday afternoon and NQ was reported missing at 8 AM Sunday. Again a very short window to enact that.
I’ll concede that the opportunity existed because of the lax security around the resort however the other timeline and logic based facts don’t support unless this was someone following the family or who knew they’d be there. All of those sound like a very juicy script for a movie or TV show but don’t often touch reality.

I am more and more thinking she came downstairs - either for her Mom, go to bathroom or was spooked by a noise in the jungle and exited the open window then got lost. Really hope by some miracle she’s managed to survive but I know what logic also tells me at this point. Heartbreaking no matter how you slice it. :(
 
12 August 2019:


Missing Irish teen: Parents offer RM50,000 reward for information leading to her return

KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 12 —The parents of missing Irish teen with special needs, Nora Anne Quoirin, 15, today offered a reward of RM50,000 for any information leading to their daughter’s return.

In a press conference with just three media outlets at the Pantai police station in Negri Sembilan, Nora’s mother, Meabh Quoirin said: “Nora is our first child. She has been vulnerable since the day she was born. She is so precious to us and our hearts are breaking. We are appealing to anyone who has information about Nora to help us find her.


“The police have been working extremely hard to bring Nora home. In order to help their investigation, we have decided to offer a reward of RM50,000 which was by an anonymous Belfast-based business for any information that directly helps us to find Nora,” she said while holding back her tears.

Malay Mail obtained a recording of the press conference where Meabh spoke for two minutes without taking further questions from the media.

Missing Irish teen: Parents offer RM50,000 reward for information leading to her return | Malay Mail
 
There is much discussion as to her mobility and what she can and could not do.

But she obviously could do a fair amount. She was not wheelchair bound, she did not seem to need the aid of a stick or support frame in order to walk, and unless she was carried up the stairs to her room on this night, she must have been able to navigate her own way up without too much difficulty - or otherwise would have required a room without stairs - and therefore would be able to get down too.

I still don't buy the abduction. I think she woke in night or early morning, perhaps disoriented being in a strange place, made her way outside, got lost, and perhaps in darkness or dim light fell into river.
 
If this was a planned abduction, the following still gnaws at me and defies the logic of most kidnappings:
  • How did the perp(s) know exactly where in the house NQ was sleeping? There is a very short window from when the family arrived until when she vanished.
  • Furthermore, if the parents were sleeping downstairs, how would a perp enter, take NQ and leave w/o anyone hearing anything.
  • This includes the siblings who were sleeping with her upstairs in the mezzanine bedroom. It’s a very open area. A perp would have to enter, walk up those stairs, grab NQ, go back down and exit out the window. That’s a lot of action and movement within several feet of four other people - two upstairs and two down.
  • If the perp is local, when exactly did they spot NQ and enact their master plan? Family arrived late Saturday afternoon and NQ was reported missing at 8 AM Sunday. Again a very short window to enact that.
I’ll concede that the opportunity existed because of the lax security around the resort however the other timeline and logic based facts don’t support unless this was someone following the family or who knew they’d be there. All of those sound like a very juicy script for a movie or TV show but don’t often touch reality.

I am more and more thinking she came downstairs - either for her Mom, go to bathroom or was spooked by a noise in the jungle and exited the open window then got lost. Really hope by some miracle she’s managed to survive but I know what logic also tells me at this point. Heartbreaking no matter how you slice it. :(

I think as they/the source had transported the family there, they had enough knowledge to expect where she would be, and under what circumstances.
 
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There is much discussion as to her mobility and what she can and could not do.

But she obviously could do a fair amount. She was not wheelchair bound, she did not seem to need the aid of a stick or support frame in order to walk, and unless she was carried up the stairs to her room on this night, she must have been able to navigate her own way up without too much difficulty - or otherwise would have required a room without stairs - and therefore would be able to get down too.

I still don't buy the abduction. I think she woke in night or early morning, perhaps disoriented being in a strange place, made her way outside, got lost, and perhaps in darkness or dim light fell into river.

If you woke up disoriented, would you really wander off outside?! On your own? That’s before you’ve even considered any disabilities.
 
If this was a planned abduction, the following still gnaws at me and defies the logic of most kidnappings:
  • How did the perp(s) know exactly where in the house NQ was sleeping? There is a very short window from when the family arrived until when she vanished.
  • Furthermore, if the parents were sleeping downstairs, how would a perp enter, take NQ and leave w/o anyone hearing anything.
  • This includes the siblings who were sleeping with her upstairs in the mezzanine bedroom. It’s a very open area. A perp would have to enter, walk up those stairs, grab NQ, go back down and exit out the window. That’s a lot of action and movement within several feet of four other people - two upstairs and two down.
  • If the perp is local, when exactly did they spot NQ and enact their master plan? Family arrived late Saturday afternoon and NQ was reported missing at 8 AM Sunday. Again a very short window to enact that.
I’ll concede that the opportunity existed because of the lax security around the resort however the other timeline and logic based facts don’t support unless this was someone following the family or who knew they’d be there. All of those sound like a very juicy script for a movie or TV show but don’t often touch reality.

I am more and more thinking she came downstairs - either for her Mom, go to bathroom or was spooked by a noise in the jungle and exited the open window then got lost. Really hope by some miracle she’s managed to survive but I know what logic also tells me at this point. Heartbreaking no matter how you slice it. :(

I am very much thinking along the same lines. She could not have been snatched from inside the lodge as you would think it would have alerted other members of the family.

She woke up at some point in the night, went downstairs and was probably lured outside by noise or something she had seen. Once far enough away from the accomodation she was either ambushed and instantly kidnapped or was led into deep jungle with a stranger. Given the terrain and the lack of a trail far away from the lodge there must had been some sort of getaway vehicle near to the vicinity so escape could be made well before sunrise.
 
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If this was a planned abduction, the following still gnaws at me and defies the logic of most kidnappings:
  • How did the perp(s) know exactly where in the house NQ was sleeping? There is a very short window from when the family arrived until when she vanished.
  • Furthermore, if the parents were sleeping downstairs, how would a perp enter, take NQ and leave w/o anyone hearing anything.
  • This includes the siblings who were sleeping with her upstairs in the mezzanine bedroom. It’s a very open area. A perp would have to enter, walk up those stairs, grab NQ, go back down and exit out the window. That’s a lot of action and movement within several feet of four other people - two upstairs and two down.
  • If the perp is local, when exactly did they spot NQ and enact their master plan? Family arrived late Saturday afternoon and NQ was reported missing at 8 AM Sunday. Again a very short window to enact that.
I’ll concede that the opportunity existed because of the lax security around the resort however the other timeline and logic based facts don’t support unless this was someone following the family or who knew they’d be there. All of those sound like a very juicy script for a movie or TV show but don’t often touch reality.

I am more and more thinking she came downstairs - either for her Mom, go to bathroom or was spooked by a noise in the jungle and exited the open window then got lost. Really hope by some miracle she’s managed to survive but I know what logic also tells me at this point. Heartbreaking no matter how you slice it. :(

I agree that this case is strange, and I'm sort of baffled by it, but there's a few aspects that make the timing and location quite suitable for an abduction.

  • The place is remote with no security, locks on doors or CCTV. There is several rented houses, but they're separated by vegetation. Its very dark at night.
  • A light may have been left on so the kids could find the bathroom during the night making it possible to see clearly into the house from the outside.
  • Although it was reported Nora was asleep across from her siblings, who knows if this was the case later on in the night/early morning. She may have ended up sleeping downstairs on the couch and was spotted through the window.
  • The window which was left open is out of the field of view from both the parents bedroom and the mezzanine. If Nora has issues dexterity issues (which seems to be the case) its unlikely she could open an unfamiliar window mechanism. There is a balcony overlooking the jungle if she wanted fresh air.
  • It was possible to perform the abduction from the time they went to bed to the early morning hours, its actually quite a long time.
  • The family were extremely tired after their journey, and likely in a deep sleep. There's also a window in the parents bedroom on the ground floor and the person could have walked around the property to confirm they were asleep.
 
I’m not sure anyone has done this, but with so much misinformation and recurring questions I thought a list of facts as reported by MSM may be helpful. Feel free to add or correct anything.

1. Nora and her family (mother, father, brother and sister ages 8 and 12) arrived via taxi to the Dusun Resort on Saturday August 3, 2019. The taxi driver has been questioned by authorities. The resort is a 12-acre orchard complex in the foothills of the Titiwangsa mountains and sits next to the 4,000-acre Berembun Forest Reserve. It has a maximum capacity of 20 adults split across seven houses. The resort's "nearest neighbours" are two Temuan villages where most of its staff are from.

2. They were staying in the Sora House on the resort grounds. Nora and her 2 siblings slept upstairs in a mezzanine type room which held 2 beds. Her parents slept downstairs.

3. On Sunday, August 4th, 2019 at 8:00am Nora’s father alarmed the hotel owner that Nora was missing from her room and a window was propped open in the kitchen area. The window was downstairs underneath the mezzanine Nora was sleeping in. It is unclear if this window was open all night, or discovered open in the morning. Also unclear if window had locks and if it could be opened from the outside. The window is low to the ground (pictures attached). Nora was said to have been sleeping in undergarments and no clothing or belongings were missing from her room.

4. The resort grounds were searched that Sunday and sniffer dogs picked up the girl's scent within 100 meters from her resort bedroom but the trail stopped there.
Negri Sembilan deputy police chief SAC Che Zakaria Othman said “We are investigating more than that. We have all the relevant team roped in — the forensics, CID, K9 unit — not just the cops.”

5. No evidence had been found to support that this was an abduction as of yet. Questions were raised about whether Nora wandered away from the resort via a huge gap in the fence after she disappeared, potentially widening the search area.
Nora's passport and other belongings were still in her family's possession but the CCTV system at the resort only covered a limited area and did not capture Nora leaving the resort. Cops now believe Nora, who has holoprosencephaly — which means her brain is smaller than average — may have left her room through a ground floor window. Cops are investigating reports that Nora might have been spotted – as a “white woman” was apparently seen swimming in a river not far away, on Sunday afternoon.

6. Searches widened to include the forested area surrounding the resort. Two dozen members of the VAT69 special police unit were brought in to aid a huge search operation. Search teams are combing hilly, boulder-filled areas in the jungle where Nora may still be alive and hiding.

7. A spokeswoman for the Dunsun said hotel bosses were confused by Nora's disappearance. “Our resort has been operating for 10 years and we have never even been robbed," Haanim Bamadhaj said.

8. Nora’s family disagrees that Nora left on her own and is insisting this is an abduction.
They said Nora isn’t independent, has difficulty walking and has never wandered off on her own or become lost despite having been to other Asian and European countries before. In a previous statement they said: “All her life she has spent a lot of time in hospital. When she was born, she needed operations to help her (breathe).
She has specialists that monitor her growth, her physical abilities and her strength, and especially her mental capacity. She is not like other teenagers. She is not independent and does not go anywhere alone. Nora likes to walk with her family, but her balance is limited and she struggles with co-ordination. She has been to Asia, and many European countries before, and has never wandered off or got lost.” One local who wished to remain anonymous said if Nora Anne had wandered off, she wouldn’t have gone too deep into the jungle as the hilly terrain would have served as a deterrent.
Another said the lax security at the resort could mean an unknown individual was in the area. He pointed out that there were no security guards in the The Dusun or proper CCTVs to keep an eye on the surroundings, with the property easy to exit even if the main gate was locked.

9. The search operation has so far included aerial searches, thermal detectors, sniffer dogs, indigenous trackers and elite commando forces. Rescuers on Friday also began playing voice recordings of the mother to try and draw the girl out as they combed the hilly forest terrain. Investigators have already questioned 20 people and said a forensic team was analysing fingerprints found in the cottage where the girl went missing.

10. One anonymous patron of the hotel at the time of Nora’s disappearance gives a statement. The 22-year-old C. from Leiden tells her story anonymously and stayed at the same resort as the missing Nora Quoirin and her parents last weekend. She says that the family arrived later in the evening on Saturday and went to bed quite early. “I saw them playing outside for a while, but they went to bed already at 10 p.m. They suffered from jet lag. It seems likely to me that the girl was wide awake that night and decided to go out.” But, C. also says, on the evening of the disappearance she and her companion also heard suspicious noises. “We heard rustling at the pool where their house was upstairs. But yes, we are in the jungle and could not see for ourselves. Moreover, everything here makes a rather scary sound, so it could have been anything.”

11. Footprints were found that were thought to be Nora’s but police deny this claim. Fire and rescue officials said her footprints had been found by sniffer dogs but police have denied that claim Ahmad Mukhlis Mokhtar of Malaysia's fire and rescue department told local media that that 'our detective canines had spotted footprints' which he believed to belong to Nora because the sniffer dogs were following her scent. However police denied the footprint finding at a press conference later on Friday, leaving the search in confusion amid fears it will be hampered by bad weather.

12. The investigation continues. Police are investigating all angles, including reports that villagers heard the sound of a truck early on the morning the girl was reported missing. Detectives have searched the homes of staff working on the resort and have interviewed the taxi driver who picked up the family from Kuala Lumpur Airport last week. Investigators from Malaysia’s Bukit Aman — the country’s equivalent of the FBI — are also investigating known paedophiles and other criminals in the holiday resort.

Police insist missing Irish teen still in jungle, despite Orang Asli community claiming otherwise | Malay Mail


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Point number 7 contradicts what I read on a review site. Obviously that might be untrue so...

Missing Nora Quoirin 'could be hiding in Malaysian jungle' | Daily Mail Online


Nora Quoirin cops probe reports truck was heard in area on morning she vanished


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The sound of a trunk in the night sounds odd at that private location.

Is the location of her footprints heading toward close to the road?

“Cops said they found “her footprints” in the jungle, and it has now emerged she was barefoot at the time of her disappearance, it has been reported.

Brit cops ‘join search’ for missing Nora as parents ‘mull offering cash reward’

Okay; so were the footprints found to be barefoot or from the day before (possibly wearing shoes then?)
 
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