Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #5

[tresir2012]

Well, it got light at 7:00 so maybe they just assumed she left in the dark. Imo

Ok thanks. That was my next question. They specifically said she went missing in the night and I wondered how they knew that? If they went to bed at 10 and got up at 8 then you couldn't assume she left in the night she may have gone at daybreak - woken up early and left to explore, followed an animal or anything really. I notice the Sora house was much closer to the NE gate rather than the main SW gate so she may have headed that way which was closest to the forest. She could have got a long way in an hour.

 

[tresir2012]

There is picture of Nora in front of a waterfall in many of the MSM articles. Was that taken by the Berenbun waterfall the day they arrived or is that an old picture?

 

[bronbaby]

There is picture of Nora in front of a waterfall in many of the MSM articles. Was that taken by the Berenbum waterfall the day they arrived or is that an old picture?

it was established that it was taken in Glenevin, Donegal, Ireland. it was discussed further back. xo

 

[Rosegold68]

yes i also read she was very close to her mum

but her mum travelled a bit with work so other tactics will have to be in use to calm and console Nora in her absence. after all,Dad was required to escort her halfway across the planet so maybe Nora was getting less dependent the older she got

 

[tresir2012]

VIDEO, Family lawyer speaking..
Aug 16, 2019
Nora Quoirin case: What really happened? Questions remain as family seeks 'more answers'
"Charles Morel, the family’s lawyer, said Nora’s disability made it highly unlikely the teenager would leave alone at night and walk to the bottom of a ravine through an “extremely steep path through the jungle”.

Nora was born with Patau’s syndrome, or holoprosencephaly.

Mr Morel said: “One of the effects of her condition is that she was very dependent on her parents.

“She was shy, she was quickly scared, she had travelled for 18 hours and she was exhausted"
“So there is no reason why she would leave the lodge in the night, almost naked. There is no previous episode in her life to suggest she might do something like this.”

There are further questions about the search for her, and how she ended up being found less than two miles from the resort.

The spot she was found had been repeatedly searched in the days leading up to the discovery of her body.

Witnesses said she was in “plain sight” and looked like she was sleeping with her head resting on her hands."

There's a dichotomy here. She cannot have been in that same place in plain sight for two or three days since she died and the searchers searched in those two or three days but missed her. So which is more likely?

 

[tresir2012]

yes i also read she was very close to her mum

but her mum travelled a bit with work so other tactics will have to be in use to calm and console Nora in her absence. after all,Dad was required to escort her halfway across the planet so maybe Nora was getting less dependent the older she got

Was mum already there when they arrived then or did she arrive later?

 

[tresir2012]

'Inexperienced' searchers may have missed clues looking for Nora Quoirin

 

[tresir2012]

'Inexperienced' searchers may have missed clues looking for Nora Quoirin

Almost like this is answering my question.

 

[Rosegold68]

well look,not every place on this planet is going to have a ready made,experienced team ready to despatch in search cases. its down to us as parents to make safe our environment. or as safe as we can. i really don't think 'inexperienced searchers' can be held responsible here

 

[Alyce]

Was mum already there when they arrived then or did she arrive later?

Mum arrived into KL airport about half hour before dad and children, so all travelled together to the Dusun

 

[tresir2012]

well look,not every place on this planet is going to have a ready made,experienced team ready to despatch in search cases. its down to us as parents to make safe our environment. or as safe as we can. i really don't think 'inexperienced searchers' can be held responsible here

That article isn't saying that in fact it says the opposite -

"We can't blame them because it was the first time for many of these searchers working for so many hours in these conditions and water and food supplies were limited. Overall, I think they did a good job despite incredibly arduous conditions.

Another senior official, who does not wish to be named, said Nora's death remains 'a complete mystery' but added there is no evidence indicating a criminal element so far.

He further explained: "Sniffer dogs only picked up her trail about 100 metres from the lodge, and how a child with special needs could have walked nearly two miles into dense forest and through a steep ravine is mystifying."

 

[Jealoushe]

I'm wondering if someone took her, and she died from stress before anything else could happen, so they panicked and returned her to the jungle.

 

[Eve71]

I'm wondering if someone took her, and she died from stress before anything else could happen, so they panicked and returned her to the jungle.

She died through stress because the poor little girl had not eaten for up to seven days, possibly drank little water and her limited processing skills must have caused her absolute turmoil . I expect Noras actual cause of death was cardiac arrest. Her heart was unable to cope with it all physically and mentally.

 

[Rosegold68]

Cardiac arrest would have been apparent at post mortem wouldn’t it?

 

[Eve71]

Cardiac arrest would have been apparent at post mortem wouldn’t it?

Yes but would have been secondary so not made public. There is always an underlying cause to a cardiac arrest, something causes the heart to just stop.

 

[tresir2012]

She died through stress because the poor little girl had not eaten for up to seven days, possibly drank little water and her limited processing skills must have caused her absolute turmoil . I expect Noras actual cause of death was cardiac arrest. Her heart was unable to cope with it all physically and mentally.

Post mortem found she died because of internal haemorrhaging from a burst stomach ulcer caused by stress and hunger. Nothing to do with her heart that I have seen. But if you have seen a MSM or LE statement for other causes, please can you link it thanks?

 

[tresir2012]

Mum arrived into KL airport about half hour before dad and children, so all travelled together to the Dusun

TY for clarifying.

 

[MsBetsy]

yes i also read she was very close to her mum

but her mum travelled a bit with work so other tactics will have to be in use to calm and console Nora in her absence. after all,Dad was required to escort her halfway across the planet so maybe Nora was getting less dependent the older she got

Well, I remember reading something about her mom travelling for business and that her family had made several trips to Asia and Europe before.
So apparently the family had travelled together many times before, whether business trips or vacations. (or both)
Either way, apparently Nora was used to going to foreign countries with her parents and had never wandered off before.
I'm sure her dad, after 15 years experience, would be very familiar with how to care for his daughter, and Nora would be comfortable with him in her mother's absence. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

She died through stress because the poor little girl had not eaten for up to seven days, possibly drank little water and her limited processing skills must have caused her absolute turmoil . I expect Noras actual cause of death was cardiac arrest. Her heart was unable to cope with it all physically and mentally.

The COD was the ulcer in her intestines, (duodenal) that ruptured, which they stated was "thought" to be brought on by starvation and stress.
There are many other causes, such as bacteria, infection, etc., so it is not definitive. She may have developed sepsis and that contributed to her death.

She did not die from cardiac arrest.

They may know more about what caused the ulcer when the autopsy report is complete. Imo

 

[dotr]

Right now, all i know or think i know, is that
Nora was a very special human who, under unusual circumstances, disappeared from a beautiful place and lay down to rest in a magical place.
Peace to her family.