ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 5

[cluciano63]

I don't know that case, but here's the thing - in most "parental kidnappings," and in that one too, the parent disappears along with the child.

In Ayla's case, that didn't happen, so who's got the baby?

Exactly my problem. And what relative or friend in their right mind would keep her this long, with LE and FBI and whoever else searching high and low in dangerous conditions, etc.? They would end up facing some serious charges. No one would believe it was for Ayla's "benefit" at this late date.

This is either one of those rate, random kidnappings (1% chance, IMO) or something happened to Ayla in the home and there is a cover-up going on.

JMO

 

[Yoda]

I don't know that case, but here's the thing - in most "parental kidnappings," and in that one too, the parent disappears along with the child.

In Ayla's case, that didn't happen, so who's got the baby?

John. No not really. At the beginning of this case, one of my scenarios was jd/pd gave her to a family member to keep her away from mom or to give her a stable life. But now, the more I hear from jd and pd, my feeling is more towards she is no longer alive or she was given/sold but not for the reason of keeping her safe. I was curious if John dipietro was related because if he was than the family would have access to the knowledge of a man who kept his child hidden for four years and then that might,might have me looking at them hiding her from mom.

 

[Yoda]

Exactly my problem. And what relative or friend in their right mind would keep her this long, with LE and FBI and whoever else searching high and low in dangerous conditions, etc.? They would end up facing some serious charges. No one would believe it was for Ayla's "benefit" at this late date.

This is either one of those rate, random kidnappings (1% chance, IMO) or something happened to Ayla in the home and there is a cover-up going on.

JMO

I agree. And I think there is less then a 1% chance that someone has her. But, to cover all scenarios, if they gave her to a distant relative, would this relative be charged with anything? I mean, she was given to him/her to take care of by the person, who the state of Maine determined, was responsible for her. I can see dad being charged but would the other person?

 

[cluciano63]

I agree. And I think there is less then a 1% chance that someone has her. But, to cover all scenarios, if they gave her to a distant relative, would this relative be charged with anything? I mean, she was given to him/her to take care of by the person, who the state of Maine determined, was responsible for her. I can see dad being charged but would the other person?

It would be hard to imagine a family member not being aware of the situation by now...the story has been everywhere. I guess LE would have to prove the person knew that Ayla had been reported missing, in the long run, but anyway, I don't think this is the case.

 

[Donjeta]

I think he would know he 'smoked it' if he was blatantly honest and KNOWS he didn't lie. He has asked to see the report, he has asked that it be made public...if he had any doubts that he had passed, I doubt he would have made that request not knowing whether LE would oblige or not...

I think it would be pretty safe to ask in any case, it seems to me that LE practically never publish the LDT results, and he negated the worth of what they would say anyway, saying that they can tell whatever they like about the LDT.

The polygraph does not actually measure whether you lied or not, it measures the physiological responses you have while answering a set of questions, and it's quite possible to fail the test even if you told the complete truth.

 

[Donjeta]

It would be hard to imagine a family member not being aware of the situation by now...the story has been everywhere. I guess LE would have to prove the person knew that Ayla had been reported missing, in the long run, but anyway, I don't think this is the case.

If the family member wasn't aware that Ayla was reported missing s/he wouldn't know to hide her and somebody around him/her would certainly ask about the new baby they got and hearing that her name is Ayla Reynolds someone would be bound to put two and two together.

 

[Helenstreet]

I have a question:
Regarding JP's account of the evening Ayla's arm was injured, I recall him stating that it occurred sometime in November--correct? He further stated that he waited until the next day to take her to the emergency room, due to his class--correct? I found the fall schedule online of the only CDL class offered at Lawrence Adult Education, (where it was stated he attended the class), and it started September 6, 2011 and ran for 16 sessions, 2 classes a week (Tuesday and Thursday, 6:00 - 9:00 pm). This would mean that the last evening JP had a class was October 27, 2011, and Ayla's arm injury occurred on October 26, 2011--not in November. Furthermore, if JP had an evening class, why couldn't he--or Grandma--take Ayla to have her arm checked out prior to his class at 6:00 pm? Why would they wait until after 9:00 pm? I don't remember the exact date JP took custody of Ayla, but wasn't it less than 2 weeks prior to her arm injury then? I wonder what the weather was like on October 26, 2011? I don't understand how JP could confuse October with November!

 

[Helenstreet]

Here is the PDF link and class description:

http://midmaine.siteturbine.com/upl...ulted.org/files/MMRACE_Fall_2011_Brochure.pdf

"CDL/Bus Driver Training
(Fairfield)
Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield is offering a driver
education course leading to a Class B CDL with a school bus
endorsement. To be eligible to take the course, applicants
must be at least 21 years old, have a good driving record,
and provide proof of good health. To register for this
course, please call Lawrence Adult Education at 453-4200
x 3114 for an application package (registration form and a
physical form to be completed by a doctor). Application
packets are also available online at www.lawrenceadulted.
org.
Classroom time: Tuesdays/Thursdays, 6:00-9:00 p.m., 16
sessions starting Sept. 6
Driving: Must be available on Saturdays. Some weekday
and evening time may also be available.
Fee: $450"

 

[Donjeta]

Classroom time: Tuesdays/Thursdays, 6:00-9:00 p.m., 16
sessions starting Sept. 6
Driving: Must be available on Saturdays. Some weekday
and evening time may also be available.
Fee: $450"

It sounds like the course includes driving time besides classroom lessons and I expect they would have been scheduled individually. Maybe he was supposed to go driving?

 

[Helenstreet]

It sounds like the course includes driving time besides classroom lessons and I expect they would have been scheduled individually. Maybe he was supposed to go driving?

In the article regarding Ayla's broken arm, didn't JD state that his last class was the next day? Besides, if the course was for 16 sessions, I would expect that any additional driving time--if that's what it means--would be scheduled during the time period of the class, September 6 through October 27. However, JD stated that Ayla's injury occurred in November, not in October. It should be fairly easy to call the school and verify how their CDL classes are organized though.

 

[Helenstreet]

Here is the link to the article describing Ayla's broken arm:

http://www.kjonline.com/news/aylas-father-describes-how-she-broke-her-arm_2012-01-06.html

"DiPietro's daughter, 21-month-old Ayla Reynolds, was reported missing Dec. 17. She was last seen wearing green one-piece pajamas and a soft splint on her left arm."

"DiPietro, 24, said the accident occurred on a rainy night in November, but he's unsure of the exact date."

"I was carrying her," he recalled during a Thursday interview with the Morning Sentinel. "Usually I let her walk, but it was raining out that night and it was dark."

The next day, DiPietro left to attend a commercial driver's license course at Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield. Before he left the driveway, however, Phoebe DiPietro called him back in into the house.

"It was my last class," Justin DiPietro said. "I paid a fairly good amount of money for that."

Phoebe DiPietro said the injury appeared to be a bad bruise, but nothing serious. During the day, however, Phoebe DiPietro noticed the full extent of Ayla's swelling after looking under the toddler's sleeve.

So, if Ayla's arm was injured on October 26, she disappeared 7 weeks later on December 17? If these dates are correct, I am curious to know why she was scheduled to see a specialist 7 weeks later? Yet, according to this article, "DiPietro said Ayla's arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared." What is the average time period for a broken bone to heal on a small child?

 

[cricketann]

I just got out of a soft cast for a broken foot. It took eight weeks for the bone growth to be strong enough to support full body weight without re injury.I was taking my cast on and off after a few weeks. Depending on what type of break she had I suspect she was almost ready to be out of the cast. Broken arms are the second most common bone injury seen in children. Also she was in a soft cast so it can be removed for bath time etc. I'm wondering what type of meds they prescribed for pain and inflammation .

 

[NFYIAMY]

I just got out of a soft cast for a broken foot. It took eight weeks for the bone growth to be strong enough to support full body weight without re injury.I was taking my cast on and off after a few weeks. Depending on what type of break she had I suspect she was almost ready to be out of the cast. Broken arms are the second most common bone injury seen in children. Also she was in a soft cast so it can be removed for bath time etc. I'm wondering what type of meds they prescribed for pain and inflammation .

It is my understanding from the reports that she was never in a cast. They only put an ace bandage on it. NOT a cast.

Found this:

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/generalshoulder/g/humerusfracture.htm

Since we don't know what part of her arm was fractured - if it was a humerus fracture - she wouldn't have been in a cast......

Has anyone found anything more specific about the break to her arm? A humerus fracture IS often referred to as a break in the arm.....(layman's terms)

FWIW: More posted here about not using casts for broken bones

 

[tlcya]

PD's initial statements to the press implying she was present in the home that night and description of a "normal" evening that were later changed to indicate she was not there at all really hurt the family's credibility for me.

This goes way beyond clarification. This is a complete change in story.

I am left now to wonder. Why that lie? Why not the LE has asked me not to discuss the evening one? Was she trying to protect jd from something? What did this mother think her son needed protecting from?

This thing here, above all of jp' s self serving statements, really bothers me the most.

 

[momma73]

Here is the PDF link and class description:

http://midmaine.siteturbine.com/upl...ulted.org/files/MMRACE_Fall_2011_Brochure.pdf

"CDL/Bus Driver Training
(Fairfield)
Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield is offering a driver
education course leading to a Class B CDL with a school bus
endorsement. To be eligible to take the course, applicants
must be at least 21 years old, have a good driving record,
and provide proof of good health. To register for this
course, please call Lawrence Adult Education at 453-4200
x 3114 for an application package (registration form and a
physical form to be completed by a doctor). Application
packets are also available online at www.lawrenceadulted.
org.
Classroom time: Tuesdays/Thursdays, 6:00-9:00 p.m., 16
sessions starting Sept. 6
Driving: Must be available on Saturdays. Some weekday
and evening time may also be available.
Fee: $450"

I have not done this in a while, so I may not be doing this right. Sorry in advance.

I am a bus driver and I teach others to drive school buses. JD does not seem to be the type to drive a bus. So I went to the Lawrence Adult Ed site. Lawrence Adult Ed is with a group of adult ed schools. I have tried to find all those fall 2011 brochures, which I am not having much luck with. At least not what I am looking for. If you click on www.fairfield.maineadulted.org/ you will see you can sign up for other CDL classes that are for driving trucks instead of buses. I believe this may be what he was doing. Driving a school bus is a part time job for most people. We mainly hire people that are retired and moms that don't want their children to go to daycare.

PS...I drive in Illinois, so maybe they hire full time school bus drivers there. I don't know?

I don't know what happened to Ayla, I pray that they find her soon. Some one knows something and if they had any human feelings at all they would come forward and say where she is.

 

[deoneta]

I was just re-reading the article Helenstreet posted a link for about JD's account of the broken arm.

Everything seemed normal afterward, they said. The family sat down for a lasagna dinner, then put Ayla into pajamas for the night.

There's that "normal" again. Just seems wierd not remembering when the accident occurred or the date of the last CDL class while remembering the lasagna, an extraneous detail which lends itself to the "normal" theme. Sort of like the "dinner, some TV, then bedtime" normal routine of that Friday night. All MOO.

 

[Indy Anna]

Correct. But she could not foresee that happening,imo. I bet she thought that her home was going to be safer that where the baby was at the time.

Maybe she did not know about the gf's sister and the drug dealing.

katy, I think you've made some very good points about why Phoebe stepped in and wanted Ayla in her son's custody. Trista even seemed comforted in knowing that Ayla would be under Phoebe's watchful eye. That is Trista's frustration, that she has voiced. Why wasn't Phoebe in the home the night Ayla disappeared, why did she initially lie about it, and why has she continued to defend her son rather than demand the truth about what happened in her absence? If I were Phoebe and had nothing to hide, I'd be livid.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Here is the link to the article describing Ayla's broken arm:

http://www.kjonline.com/news/aylas-father-describes-how-she-broke-her-arm_2012-01-06.html

So, if Ayla's arm was injured on October 26, she disappeared 7 weeks later on December 17? If these dates are correct, I am curious to know why she was scheduled to see a specialist 7 weeks later? Yet, according to this article, "DiPietro said Ayla's arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared." What is the average time period for a broken bone to heal on a small child?

Respectfully Snipped : JMO ... but I find ALL this info coming from the DiPietro Family about Ayla AND Ayla's broken arm HINKY ...


And thanks for the link to the article ... I went back and re-read it ...

Now, here's another thing in the article that made my "radar" go UP :

snipped from : http://www.kjonline.com/news/aylas-father-describes-how-she-broke-her-arm_2012-01-06.html

"I was sitting in the living room with my daughter, and we heard a big thump," she recalled Thursday. "I immediately went to the kitchen and Ayla was scared, obviously. I picked her up."

Phoebe DiPietro said Justin's wrist was injured in the fall, but Ayla appeared to be OK.

"I was more worried about (Justin's) wrist, because he's broken it into 39 pieces (in a snowboard accident)," she said.

Everything seemed normal afterward, they said. The family sat down for a lasagna dinner, then put Ayla into pajamas for the night.

BBM:


So ... Phoebe says that Ayla was "scared" and "Ayla appeared to be OK" ... and PD was "more worried about [Justin's] wrist".

Now come on ... when children fall down they CRY -- of course they are "scared" ... but they usually CRY ...

Every time I here someone say "everything seemed NORMAL afterward" makes my radar go off ...

And good grief ... they remember what they had to EAT the night Ayla broke her arm ... but they canNOT remember the DATE that Ayla broke her arm ...

Sorry ... I call bull on this one ...

Unbelievable ... and JMO, but LE has their "hands full" with this crew ...

MOO ...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I was just re-reading the article Helenstreet posted a link for about JD's account of the broken arm.

Everything seemed normal afterward, they said. The family sat down for a lasagna dinner, then put Ayla into pajamas for the night.

There's that "normal" again. Just seems wierd not remembering when the accident occurred or the date of the last CDL class while remembering the lasagna, an extraneous detail which lends itself to the "normal" theme. Sort of like the "dinner, some TV, then bedtime" normal routine of that Friday night. All MOO.

BBM: Exactly ... very, very CONVENIENT to NOT remember WHEN Ayla's accident occurred.

Hmmm ... "Selective Memory" ... or is it because there is SOMETHING ELSE -- like the TRUTH -- that is not being told here ?


Another thing that is CONVENIENT is remembering that they had "lasagna" for dinner. Now really ? Was that a NECESSARY detail that was IMPORTANT regarding Ayla ?

This was just another ATTEMPT by the DiPietro Family to make them look like "The Brady Bunch" when clearly they are NOT !

MOO MOO and MOO ...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Some of you sleuthers are reeeaallly talented, and darn it, I wish I knew all the tricks and techniques to find family connections. I don't think it has been brought up, but there was a parental 'kidnapping' about 10 years ago. A John dipietro took his son and disappeared with him. The boy was two. After four years, in 2004, someone recognized the boy from the age progression on a missing children website. He was returned to his mom. The case was on webslueths. Could John f. Dipietro be related to this family? Tia

I am NO expert in finding relatives, but I DID try to start a search by googling, but came up empty handed.
I agree with you...this is an interesting idea!