MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #4

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How do we know it is narcissistic rage? It could be rage that the killer has not been caught, grief rage or rage he is being wrongly accused or has been lied to or set up by LE. Yes he's mad, but mainly at people he has confided in. MOO.

Eta. What issues did she have with W? Parents said it was amicable.

Obviously, we have only “met” Wes here and read his posts, so we are in no position to diagnose the roots of his rage with certainty. But we can research the various types of rage and form an opinion. He is so over-the-top compared to others who have felt unjustly accused or grief-stricken here on WS. And not all his rage involves accusations, but some involves being thwarted by mods enforcing TOS. One of his worst posts attacked a mod. Regardless of the roots of his rage, I still find it unbelievable that anyone here would defend/justify his vicious attacks on mods and fellow members. No one has the right to subject us to that!

We have no idea what issues Ally may or may not have had with Wes. We can, however, put forth opinions about possibilities based on his behavior here and his use of dating sites.
 
Why would she be running into a yard and was shot in the back if it was an accidental shooting? And it may have been an amicable breakup until he heard about the Florida trip.

She collapsed on a front lawn running . It could have gone like this - She was running we know, realised she had been shot, had no phone and ran to nearest house for assistance but collapsed in front of the house.
 
I'm confused, just a bit.
Has Wes been diagnosed with Narcissistic Rage or some disorder? Where is a link to that information?
Only wondering because there was a huge hullabaloo when it was pondered if Franz might have PTSD.
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Please see my post #81 above.
 
While not specific for 2016, here's a list of typical hunting seasons in Michigan.
DNR - Season Information

The month of July is wild turkey hunting season. We've had wild turkeys in our subdivision, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that someone was shooting at a wild turkey in the rural area where Ally ran. Smaller animals can be taken any time as long as the "hunter" has a valid MI hunting license.
 
This is not counsel. Counsel is legal advice.

Indeed and hopefully yours is better than some of your comments.

Her parents have stated she has no enemies. No one has stepped forward, not LE nor any family or friends who've paid tribute to her to state she had any issues with anyone...except Wes.

Well most tributes are light on the list of enemies of the deceased.

There is zero evidence of any enemies. If such surfaces, of course that could change things.

Indeed it would but why let the possibility of something that could change the whole case keep us from indulging in sweet, sweet certainty.

Of course the fact that she had no known enemies doesn't mean "no one else could have killed her". That's illogical and not what I've stated. In fact, I've discussed the possibility of random/spree type killer.

Nice insertion of the word known. Sometimes a missing word is minor and sometimes it is not. This one is significant.

You see a list of various facts/evidence, creates a picture when viewed as a whole. These are all separate factors that when combined, not isolated as you've attempted to do, tend to show whether guilt is more likely or not.

"I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts" -Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

I know theorizing is fun and indeed it seems to be the reason for Websleuths. But as a verified attorney and legend to many of the members here maybe you should be just a bit more responsible.

And regardless of whether or not she had an enemy no one knew about (other than Wes) it certainly doesn't negate the list of other facts that I and others have provided.

Except your theory alters the way you and others are viewing these facts.

In my years litigating and observing these cases and persons of interest and suspects in missing persons and murder cases, never have I seen an innocent person react with the narcissistic rage of this suspect in relation to such accusations. That is despite incredible pressure and horrible accusations.

Wait, so do you think Wes is narcissistic? It is not clear. Maybe use the word more next time?

In addition, overkill is typical of initiate partner violence. The manner of her death is likely a major key to LE that the murderer was intimately known to her. The murderer's possible ability to kill more effficiently would be irrelevant in such a situation as the manner of killing is based on emotion, not professionalism:

"Overkill usually is personal, with anger as the common underlying drive."
Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies

Perhaps I am mistaken but I thought the police indicated it was the fourth shot that killed her? Overkill would be shooting her four times. Missing the target is quite different. But then again lack of accuracy does not fit your theory. Most shotguns hold 4 rounds and one additional in the chamber. If four shots were fired there was likely one left. Impressive restraint for someone committed to overkill.

Finally, I work with combat veterans, mostly in domestic violence defense cases. It is de riguer these days for malicious exes to falsely accuse these (mostly) men of violent PTSD in order to gain an edge in child custody, as in my state, a finding of domestic violence creates a presumption against sole or joint physical or legal child custody for the perpetrator.

I have worked a lot of these cases because I offer half price discounts to active military members and combat veterans.

Now based on your other comments I could have developed a negative impression of you but since I do not know you I am not quick to judge. Offering discounted legal services to a population that needs it is admirable.

Narcissistic rage is not and has not been a symptom of PTSD. Mostly what I have seen is depression, high anxiety, and vulnerability to emotional manipulation. While displays of anger can certainly be a manifestation of hyper arousal and anxiety, it tends to be displayed in a more impulsive and less imperious manner than the rage we've seen from the suspect in this case. And it has no aspects of narcissism. Unless the person with PTSD already was a narcissist.

It is rather insulting to those who've served to try to attribute the delusional and controlling narcissism of the suspect in this case to the mental effects of combat.

Sigh... You are better than this. This is cheap and lazy. I do not believe for one minute that you inferred I was saying Wes is narcissistic because he has PTSD. I do not diagnose, PTSD, narcissism or delusion over the internet. No doubt as a trained psychologist you are in a better position to do this. I think it is possible that someone tasked with performing emergency medical treatment on his fellow soldiers who suffered brutal injuries may have a greater appreciation for life than the general public and therefore be less likely to brutally gun down an innocent woman.

Wes certainly may have killed Ally. If he did I will have the distinct pleasure of having written conceivably supportive internet posts for a murderer and looking like an . But there is also a good chance he did not kill her. There is a groupthink narrative and a bit of lynch mob mentality on here surrounding this case. I suppose this is why I felt compelled to comment.
 
Members here have vast experience and are not “the Internet.” We are allowed to post our opinions.
Mi - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #4

While some of us may have vast experience, to my knowledge none of us have ever had professional psychiatric contact with said subject. I don't think most professionals I have seen on here have diagnosed anyone, suspect or not, without professionally evaluating them, in a professional setting. And they shouldn't, obviously.
The confusion comes because people brought up Franz's possible PTSD and it was (rightly) contested as we just don't know if he indeed was diagnosed or not. Some things pointed toward a possibility, just as Wes's behavior might point toward a disorder or not.
I have seen in other cases that labeling a person with a diagnosis is a BIG no-no, as it should be of course. I wondered why it wasn't being called out on one side as it was the other, that's all.

To be crystal clear, I don't know who killed her. I do have PLENTY of experience living with a PTSD-ridden Veteran, so I imagine my thinking may be swayed one way or another, as all of ours might be if we have personal experience with dynamics similar to any case we are reading about. Even so, I really can't say if Franz has PTSD or if Wes has any disorder either.

I'm still wondering about some kind of gang initiation myself. *shrug*
 
While some of us may have vast experience, to my knowledge none of us have ever had professional psychiatric contact with said subject. I don't think most professionals I have seen on here have diagnosed anyone, suspect or not, without professionally evaluating them, in a professional setting. And they shouldn't, obviously.
The confusion comes because people brought up Franz's possible PTSD and it was (rightly) contested as we just don't know if he indeed was diagnosed or not. Some things pointed toward a possibility, just as Wes's behavior might point toward a disorder or not.
I have seen in other cases that labeling a person with a diagnosis is a BIG no-no, as it should be of course. I wondered why it wasn't being called out on one side as it was the other, that's all.

To be crystal clear, I don't know who killed her. I do have PLENTY of experience living with a PTSD-ridden Veteran, so I imagine my thinking may be swayed one way or another, as all of ours might be if we have personal experience with dynamics similar to any case we are reading about. Even so, I really can't say if Franz has PTSD or if Wes has any disorder either.

I'm still wondering about some kind of gang initiation myself. *shrug*

It is being contested. No mods were involved re Franz PTSD. And is what not the fact whether he had it or not, but rather the fact that it would make him a murderer of his own daughter.
 
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MSM Facebook news article from last week. Under the article, In the first comment a name is mentioned. Has that person been brought up before .
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