GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #4

[GigTu]

How long would it take to commute from Carleton to Flat Rock with traffic? Which roads would you most likely travel? (I can look on a map, but am asking for local opinions).

 

[monster12]

Nothing is more frustrating to me than news stations jumping to get out the info first without it being valid. Yesterday I heard so many different versions of the story. Partially decomposed. Decomposed. Severely decomposed. I hate that they take info and twist it around just to get the first story.


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[Ibiz]

And now, I want to know if the POI on the Niswender thread (he lives in Monroe and his murdered daughter was friends with Chelsea), who was recently arrested for child *advertiser censored* and is a suspect in his stepdaughter's murder, has either the Carleton Glenn golf course or the Manheim auction place as one of his industrial cleaning business accounts.

Does he look like the suspect in the sketch?

Was he at the party with CB?

Was CB a child when she went missing?

If your answer is no to these questions. Then pencil him off your suspect list.

 

[monster12]

How long would it take to commute from Carleton to Flat Rock with traffic? Which roads would you most likely travel? (I can look on a map, but am asking for local opinions).

If you are speaking of the site of the body to the site of the clothes, one would easily travel down will Carleton east to telegraph and could go north to Vreeland or Van Horn then east to the evidence discovery site. Would maybe take 10-15 min. Will Carleton and telegraph gets pretty busy during rush hour because so many locals use it to access 275. Surely you could take back roads but it would lengthen your drive.


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[GGE]

Does he look like the suspect in the sketch?

Was he at the party with CB?

Was CB a child?

If your answer is no to these questions. Then pencil him off your suspect list.

Being unfamiliar wiht the other case aside from the fact his daughter (not a child) was foudn dead in the home, and he got hit with child *advertiser censored* allegations, I find myself wondering why it's an absolute necessity that she be a child for him to be considered in this matter? His daughter wasn't a child yet he's POI in her homicide, isn't he? Again, I'm honestly asking, not being snarky, because I'm not familiar with Julia's case except from some small bits of info I've gleaned from posts here.

ETA - there's no guarantee that sketch is of a real person, and if it IS there's no guarantee it's really a POI in any way, shape, or form so to base anything on that is probably a mistake IMHO.

Likewise I dont know that LE has ever said 'we don't know who did this to Chelsea, but for sure it's either homicide or murder, and for sure the person who did it was at the party with her, and for sure he looks like this sketch".

I really don't see any of these things qualifying anything imo.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Does he look like the suspect in the sketch?

Was he at the party with CB?

Was CB a child?

If your answer is no to these questions. Then pencil him off your suspect list.

There is a connection between Chelsea (and her sister, Kassandra) to the Niswender twins. Julia was murdered in her Ypsilanti (EMU) apartment more than two years ago. Jennifer Niswender was Kassandra Bruck's Maid of Honor when she was married on January 24, 2015. Julia's stepfather (James Turnquist) has been named a POI in her murder and was arrested for possession of child *advertiser censored*. It's not unreasonable to question Mr. Turnquist's possible connection to this crime.

Photo of Chelsea and Kassandra Bruck with Julia and Jennifer Niswender at this link: http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...swender-chelsea-small-chelsea-bruck/20270675/

 

[rosesfromangels]

Does he look like the suspect in the sketch?

Was he at the party with CB?

Was CB a child when she went missing?

If your answer is no to these questions. Then pencil him off your suspect list.

Your viewpoint (as I'm interpreting it) is in the majority. No one seems to agree with me that this man could be implicated. My logic meter tells me that if the two girls were friends (yes, they were), and both end up murdered and the man in question is a POI in one case....well it seems we should take a look at that. But again, your viewpoint is shared by the majority.

 

[GGE]

Your viewpoint (as I'm interpreting it) is in the majority. No one seems to agree with me that this man could be implicated. My logic meter tells me that if the two girls were friends (yes, they were), and both end up murdered and the man in question is a POI in one case....well it seems we should take a look at that. But again, your viewpoint is shared by the majority.

I know you're very familiar with both case. Could you try to explain to me why it is that the POI in Julia's case could be simultaneously looked at for her murder, and excluded from being the POI because he likes child *advertiser censored*? I realize it wasn't you that criticized that line of thinking, and I realize that in fact you DON"T believe that line of thinking. But you are well informed of both cases so that's why I'm asking you.

Becuase I was unaware that those two things were mutually exclusive but apparently I'm not getting something.

Maybe you can help me to understand this line of thinking? Then again, I don't think ANYONE can explain it. If child *advertiser censored* conniseurs can't be murderers of anyone over the age of xx, that'd be swell to put in lawbooks to save investigators loads of time all over the world.

 

[GigTu]

Grafton Road in Carleton is the closest road to access the railroad tracks path on that side, coming from Carleton. There are a few roads from trailer park locations (think - sketchy twin) prior to Grafton also, that allow easy access to that gravel path. It's pretty wide and smooth most of the way to the drop site. Just goes right under the freeway, and crosses the creek. 'This feels far enough" could have been a mindset. Then boom, drop on to Briar Hill and head home before anyone's the wiser. Or visa versa. Go in on Briar Hill and come out on Grafton.

Then later, drop off evidence around your old stomping grounds in Flat Rock (think HB).

If you have free reign to run wild, and seek out indiscrete locations for fights, you might have been here before. Just sayin'.

 

[Green-Eyed Blonde]

Betty: They usually just use a little dental plaster to gather tire impressions. I did not see the big heavy evidence bag, but maybe that was the remains that you saw.

I don't rember how cold it was in October/November, but the rest of the winter was pretty cold. So I don't think the remains could have been that decomposed.

Here in Newport it wasn't that cold in Oct/Nov/early Dec. It was pretty mild and no long-lasting snow till around 3rd week of December.

 

[Green-Eyed Blonde]

It would be interesting to know if the remains were buried - would it not imply guilt.
Also, in my reading I read the MEN article in which RK says,
"Earlier this month investigators recovered parts of Ms. Bruck’s Poison Ivy costume she wore at that party. The parts of the costume were found at an abandoned industrial site off Peters Rd. south of Van Horn Rd. near Flat Rock, or about 10 miles northeast of where the human remains were found Friday."

- this is first time I've read confirmation that items found in Flat Rock were connected to CB - Did I miss this when did they anounce the connection?

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/apr/25/female-remains-found-experts-determine-if-identity/

Right after costume/other items were found on Easter, LE stated it was believed to be related to CB. Family never indicated that in their statements.

 

[Hound_Dog]

Right after costume/other items were found on Easter, LE stated it was believed to be related to CB. Family never indicated that in their statements.

I have only read that the evidence was sent to SP labs for confirmation - MEN article today states that the evidence was "confirmed" - folks on the MEN FB are asking the same question

 

[GGE]

Sbm --

also, if you read the news release from cb's mom "give police space", you'll see police confirmed the top belonged to cb.

 

[GigTu]

If you are speaking of the site of the body to the site of the clothes, one would easily travel down will Carleton east to telegraph and could go north to Vreeland or Van Horn then east to the evidence discovery site. Would maybe take 10-15 min. Will Carleton and telegraph gets pretty busy during rush hour because so many locals use it to access 275. Surely you could take back roads but it would lengthen your drive.

I meant from home to a job, but I suppose it's still the same drive. So it's not an unusual commute to live in Carleton and work in Flat Rock?

 

[Mollyandme]

I am so heartbroken right now. We are currently living in a toledo suburb until we move back to the east coast this summer. I have had to travel for weddings back on the east coast several times this past year and always fly out of Detroit. I have also picked my parents up at the Detroit airport when they come to visit. Every single time i drove up there, I would be looking out the window just wondering if Chelsea was out there. I remember driving north on 275 right before Christmas when we took the kids to see the lights in Wayne county and telling my husband "i know shes out there, she needs to be home with her family." My mom is currently visiting and I picked her up at the airport on Thursday. On the drive back to our house I was telling my mom about Chelsea. I meant to come back and check in on this case but got sidetracked until I saw the local news previews last night while watching 20/20. I know so many of us on here have traveled on that highway since she went missing and I'm sure you all have the same feelings i do right now. Hugs to everyone on here and prayers to the Bruck family. No matter how many cases we all have followed on here, it never gets easier.

 

[Green-Eyed Blonde]

How long would it take to commute from Carleton to Flat Rock with traffic? Which roads would you most likely travel? (I can look on a map, but am asking for local opinions).

Actually I was just there: drove from Flat Rock to Carleton and it only takes 10 min. or so. I took Telegraph to Will-Carleton and then into Carleton on Grafton Rd. But that last road is so full of potholes so I probably spent an extra 5 min, on that road, driving slowly. So...if you are driving carefully with a nice car you could spend 12-15 min. getting from one to the other. I did pass Briar Hill Road off Will-Carleton and then on Grafton, saw Newburg Rd. Those roads are in better shape than Grafton :-(. Truthfully, didn't want to go nearer to the site where the body was found, but I can tell you Airport School is just down the road on Grafton, just 5 minutes away or so from where the body was found.

 

[monster12]

I meant from home to a job, but I suppose it's still the same drive. So it's not an unusual commute to live in Carleton and work in Flat Rock?

I would say no? Flat rock has more businesses and such compared to Carleton. It would all depend on what job obviously but traveling that route would not be unusual. Guess I'm not really understanding.

And like I said before, Will Carleton is a common traveling road for people and truckers from/to our area because it gives access to 275. The next spot people would have access would be off Sibley or Eureka near the airport or down in the Monroe area.


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[rosesfromangels]

I know you're very familiar with both case. Could you try to explain to me why it is that the POI in Julia's case could be simultaneously looked at for her murder, and excluded from being the POI because he likes child *advertiser censored*? I realize it wasn't you that criticized that line of thinking, and I realize that in fact you DON"T believe that line of thinking. But you are well informed of both cases so that's why I'm asking you.

Becuase I was unaware that those two things were mutually exclusive but apparently I'm not getting something.

Maybe you can help me to understand this line of thinking? Then again, I don't think ANYONE can explain it. If child *advertiser censored* conniseurs can't be murderers of anyone over the age of xx, that'd be swell to put in lawbooks to save investigators loads of time all over the world.

I don't quite understand the question, so I will simply provide my rationale for not taking my eyes off this man in both Julia and Chelsea's case.
We know he has been arrested for allegedly possessing child *advertiser censored*. That case is pending. In addition, he is a POI in his stepdaughter's murder because allegedly he has not provided LE with satisfactory information as to his whereabouts leading up to, and on the night of her murder.
The Niswender and Bruck girls were/are friends. One of them was just in the others wedding recently. There is history there. It is natural to examine both cases for any linkage beyond the obvious.

My hypothesis is that both Julia and Chelsea were silenced for something they mutually had knowledge of, directly or unwittingly. Perhaps they themselves had been victims of a predator during childhood, unbeknownst to their mothers. I would suggest both mothers reflect on any recollections of major and inexplicable changes in behavior, sudden onset bedwetting beyond a reasonable age, etc. I'm sorry to say all this, because I'm sure it's horribly upsetting at many levels, but I think it should be considered, and hopefully dismissed quickly.

These are my thoughts at the moment. All speculation only. I am highly confident that LE is examining all of these possibilities closely.

 

[GigTu]

Actually I was just there: drove from Flat Rock to Carleton and it only takes 10 min. or so. I took Telegraph to Will-Carleton and then into Carleton on Grafton Rd. But that last road is so full of potholes so I probably spent an extra 5 min, on that road, driving slowly. So...if you are driving carefully with a nice car you could spend 12-15 min. getting from one to the other. I did pass Briar Hill Road off Will-Carleton and then on Grafton, saw Newburg Rd. Those roads are in better shape than Grafton :-(. Truthfully, didn't want to go nearer to the site where the body was found, but I can tell you Airport School is just down the road on Grafton, just 5 minutes away or so from where the body was found.

Thank you. Good information. I definitely see ties from Carleton to Flat Rock being extremely relevant. Maybe living in a trailer in Carleton and commuting to Flat Rock is the best money choice for your family when you have limited job opportunities.

Maybe friends who grew up and went to high school have now moved a town or two away, but since it's not really that far they can remain close friends. And they probably scoured the surrounding terrain looking for safe fight zones in their youth, so they probably know the recovery site location enough to feel safe going there in early dawn hours just before sun up while people are still sleeping, but the sky has lightened enough to see around.

I don't think LE should take their eyes off HB and should start looking at sketchy twin. Where were these two boys on the night of 10/26?

 

[rosesfromangels]

And could you please put Carleton Glen golf course back on there as a point of reference if possible? It's a nice big landmark IMO. Thank you for your hard work. I did a lot of WS maps before the new google maps, which sucks big moose butt IMO.

PS- rosesfromangels - Airport High.. that name seems VERY familiar to me... did someone in the last thread say this was where some particular person went to school, IIRC? I think this was a HB tie-in, right?

So, YES GGE, "the Hero" has Airport Community Schools listed as one of the schools he attended. I have a strong suspicion the fight vids are in that location too.

This is getting beyond the beyond....