MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #3

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I believe that Julia had some friends (not just FB "friends" which usually doesn't mean much) that were basketball players for the EMU teams, both male and female. I think she even dated one of the male players briefly, judging from some older tweets that I found. I think she most likely knew the player accused of choking, GB. But I don't know if it was more than an acquintance. But I think it is a possibility because he was closeby, and she liked tall men.

The (alleged) choking incident happened after Julia's death. I would think that LE looked at a possible relation to Julia's death. I am not sure if they interviewed him about it. Other than the location, and the allegations of choking, there is no evidence of a connection, I think. So perhaps LE did not interview him about Julia.
(And most likely he would have "lawyered up" if they did interview him.)

I'm adding him to my "EBR" list. (Not POI, but eye brow raiser). He should be spoken to, and checked off, or interviewed further. The mere fact he was accused of choking a woman, is acquainted with Julia (even loosely), and lived in close proximity is enough to put him on the EBR list.

Thanks Black Squirrel, you are an excellent sleuther!
 
Does anyone know any special school projects Julia had been working on just before her passing? I'm most interested in anything she might have been doing for her communications class.

Now, a second more sensitive question. And I apologize for even asking it as it is not a nice question, but I'm looking at everything. Was Julia know to occasionally dabble with recreational drugs? With finals looming, many students will take something to keep them up and cramming. If the answer is yes, would you speculate she might have obtained the occasional recreational drug from one of the aforementioned shady Monroe citizens?

This is wild speculation, and I mean no disrespect to the family members. But I am pressure testing our current theory for holes.
 
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Mimommy, this post concerns me. How would you know specifically which pictures LE is considering to be child *advertiser censored* on a seized computer? This should not be public knowledge at this point in time, should it? Or am I misunderstanding your statement (bolded)?


Has anyone considered a swingers club linked to the possibles? I did a quick search and it seems there is a lively group in Monroe area. I could not force myself to go any further. Which brings me back to remembering the old Bob Bashara hangout not far from Milan area. I believe this was even mentioned early in our discussions here. Something is nibbling at my brain and causing me deep concern in regard to what Julia may have known that could have caused someone to be afraid of her blabbing. I cannot be more specific, because I do not know where these thoughts might lead. Could even be a dead end for me.

Thanks for the clarification on the Bipolar.

This is the first I have heard that he was asked to leave as the instructor. Was this before the incident when the computer(s) were seized and he "fled" to the martial arts studio, do you know? I believe that was in February of this year. I wonder why no parents have come forward that we are aware of, after the arrest. Or if they have, LE may have kept that info quiet. That would be understandable, since they are minors.


Spellbound, JT not being allowed to instruct children at the Martial Art studio, happened about 7-12 months ago.
 
Does anyone know any special school projects Julia had been working on just before her passing? I'm most interested in anything she might have been doing for her communications class.

Now, a second more sensitive question. And I apologize for even asking it as it is not a nice question, but I'm looking at everything. Was Julia know to occasionally dabble with recreational drugs? With finals looming, many students will take something to keep them up and cramming. If the answer is yes, would you speculate she might have obtained the occasional recreational drug from one of the aforementioned shady Monroe citizens?

This is wild speculation, and I mean no disrespect to the family members. But I am pressure testing our current theory for holes.

As far as I know, Julia did not do drugs. She hated them and being around people who used them. This was one reason for the ill feelings between her and a room mate. Evidently she caught them doing something in their apartment which led to a "blowup" between them.
 
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Mimommy, this post concerns me. How would you know specifically which pictures LE is considering to be child *advertiser censored* on a seized computer? This should not be public knowledge at this point in time, should it? Or am I misunderstanding your statement (bolded)?


Has anyone considered a swingers club linked to the possibles? I did a quick search and it seems there is a lively group in Monroe area. I could not force myself to go any further. Which brings me back to remembering the old Bob Bashara hangout not far from Milan area. I believe this was even mentioned early in our discussions here. Something is nibbling at my brain and causing me deep concern in regard to what Julia may have known that could have caused someone to be afraid of her blabbing. I cannot be more specific, because I do not know where these thoughts might lead. Could even be a dead end for me.

I talked to him about this tonight. He has valid reasons that I will not discuss here out of respect for Jennifer. It has nothing to do with any of the cases that much I will say.

MiMommy, with all respect, I truly do not understand what post you were replying to or about? Your response or post does not make sense or contribute any useful information. IMO
 
As far as I know, Julia did not do drugs. She hated them and being around people who used them. This was one reason for the ill feelings between her and a room mate. Evidently she caught them doing something in their apartment which led to a "blowup" between them.

After Julia's murder, I did see posts on FB and IG of the roommate you are referring to trying to contact a known drug user (and I think this girl was selling as well). She didn't reference it directly, but she was saying something like she needed to talk to her to get something. To me, the way it was worded indicated she was trying to get drugs from this other girl without saying it. The only reason that I know that the other girl was using/selling was because she was pretty open about it on SM! They didn't have any friends in common on SM and they definitely seemed to come from different walks of life. One being the cute, preppy school girl...the other being the girl from hard knocks. This is all my opinion and observations of course....So you saying this makes complete sense to me, and confirms my suspicions.
 
As far as I know, Julia did not do drugs. She hated them and being around people who used them. This was one reason for the ill feelings between her and a room mate. Evidently she caught them doing something in their apartment which led to a "blowup" between them.

That's an interesting statement Trojan. Do you happen to know who the participants were? Roommates, friends or associates perhaps? Do you know when Julia had to defend her stance on drugs? Did it happen more than once? That must have been a difficult situation for Julia. :(
 
That's an interesting statement Trojan. Do you happen to know who the participants were? Roommates, friends or associates perhaps? Do you know when Julia had to defend her stance on drugs? Did it happen more than once? That must have been a difficult situation for Julia. :(

Yes I know who it was and I have told this info to LE.
 
Rosesfromangels I have been watching this site since Julia was found dead. This is my first post. I am a Monroe resident. My daughter graduated from Monroe High School with Julia and Jennifer and Cassie Bruck. I take offense to your opinion of Monroe. Monroe is not my hometown. We are transplants to Monroe. We raised our children here and know the dynamics of this place because we LIVE here. I would suggest to you that although this case and the case of Chelsea Bruck have put an unfavorable lens on Monroe that there are more people here like the Bruck family then there are people that you conjure. Julia Niswender was murdered in Ypsilanti MI.

My personal theory on this case is that Julia was murdered by someone whom she knew, however my armchair philosophy would never lead me to believe that I have more information than law enforcement or that I could possibly know more than parties directly involved with Julia or her family friends.

Earlier you called JT a known pornographer. I'm sorry but has JT been convicted by a trial of his peers? No he has not. Only accused. I have little tolerance for witch hunts. Would I let my kids near JT before he is cleared/convicted? Never in a million years.

This forum has allowed many what if's to be explored. What if your community, family, intimate texts, family dynamics, personal habits were explored? I'm sure the armchair sleuths could make mincemeat of your personal world.

I will revisit my silent sleuthing hoping all the while that you remember that everything you put on sm is here to stay and that you realize that this country allows a person the right to an attorney and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ajmo. Peace.
 
MIMOMMY - I tried to send you a PM but it seems your inbox is full and will not accept and new PMs.
 
Rosesfromangels I have been watching this site since Julia was found dead. This is my first post. I am a Monroe resident. My daughter graduated from Monroe High School with Julia and Jennifer and Cassie Bruck. I take offense to your opinion of Monroe. Monroe is not my hometown. We are transplants to Monroe. We raised our children here and know the dynamics of this place because we LIVE here. I would suggest to you that although this case and the case of Chelsea Bruck have put an unfavorable lens on Monroe that there are more people here like the Bruck family then there are people that you conjure. Julia Niswender was murdered in Ypsilanti MI.

My personal theory on this case is that Julia was murdered by someone whom she knew, however my armchair philosophy would never lead me to believe that I have more information than law enforcement or that I could possibly know more than parties directly involved with Julia or her family friends.

Earlier you called JT a known pornographer. I'm sorry but has JT been convicted by a trial of his peers? No he has not. Only accused. I have little tolerance for witch hunts. Would I let my kids near JT before he is cleared/convicted? Never in a million years.

This forum has allowed many what if's to be explored. What if your community, family, intimate texts, family dynamics, personal habits were explored? I'm sure the armchair sleuths could make mincemeat of your personal world.

I will revisit my silent sleuthing hoping all the while that you remember that everything you put on sm is here to stay and that you realize that this country allows a person the right to an attorney and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ajmo. Peace.

It is rather stunning what people will put in writing without thought to consequences isn't it?!
 
I consider myself intuitive, but never considered that my intuitions supersede the hard work of LE. Not trying to cause discontent, but I believe in being cautious about accusations. I personally would not want to bring scrutiny on my family or friends should tragedy strike. If only Julia could point the way to resolution.
 
BBM
Mimommy, this post concerns me. How would you know specifically which pictures LE is considering to be child *advertiser censored* on a seized computer? This should not be public knowledge at this point in time, should it? Or am I misunderstanding your statement (bolded)?


Has anyone considered a swingers club linked to the possibles? I did a quick search and it seems there is a lively group in Monroe area. I could not force myself to go any further. Which brings me back to remembering the old Bob Bashara hangout not far from Milan area. I believe this was even mentioned early in our discussions here. Something is nibbling at my brain and causing me deep concern in regard to what Julia may have known that could have caused someone to be afraid of her blabbing. I cannot be more specific, because I do not know where these thoughts might lead. Could even be a dead end for me.

I hope they have had a chance to speak with LE, 4ist, and I imagine they have discretely as children are involved.

When you and Trojan post, things seem to fall into place. I appreciate your persistence. Kids may naturally, because they learn and pattern their behavior on those they see around them, filter what they say to keep things calm, so there may be more to it. It seems very obvious to me that her maternal grandparents, that would be your strong truth seeking brave characters were imbued in Julia.

Okay, Spellie, your brain is nibbling where mine has too, in terms of infidelity possibly having been at issue, if not more, as a motive to end Julia's precious, promising and young life. Though I can imagine you would be able to swing what it would take to get your foot in the door and sit these said Monroe spouse swappers down to ask them about Turnquist, I'm sure you won't go there. As *advertiser censored*, images good enough to have him in an ankle bracelet and mandated to supervised visits with his own child, so child *advertiser censored*, in addition to evidence of a highly manipulative character, have not been enough to turn his support around among those he has the most hold on for one reason or another, then one may be safe in assuming more may have been at issue for him.

And here's, where rosesfromangels' wisdom comes into play for me, Turnquist being the man he has been described, my suspicion or conjecture would be that his anger had been brewing with Julia over time. If she represented, at the time, the unraveling of his hold over Kim, his marriage, and more, and that is may not have been the result of an explosive episode, but a deliberate and calculated attempt to get back, settle scores, show himself for the man he feels his in his own head or to somebody (not sure whom), that in the end, then all this may have been his way of asserting some control over what ever part of his life may have been unraveling.

FindHG: you mention that JT has supervised visits of his child, I thought he was not ALLOWED to visit his daughter??? What I observed since a little before 2000 when I met JT, is that he is anti social, as control issues, did not do much with his wife, they truly did not have a loving relationship. Many times during their marriage, KT shared many disturbing things about their relationship, info that we really thought their marriage was on the brink of divorce. This is NOT speculation, this is a fact. This month the Turnquist's will have been married 14 years (if they are not divorced yet). Always seemed like Kim and her daughters were disturbing or upsetting JT, as if they would never do the right things or measure up to his expectations. Kim, had shared that he called her fat and disgusting, he was always angry about her spending habits, which she actually was always overspending, she has poor money management skills. One thing I always thought was that Kim got her Kudos from her work more then her home life. I will give her credit for working hard during this whole investigating Julia's murder.
 
BBM
Mimommy, this post concerns me. How would you know specifically which pictures LE is considering to be child *advertiser censored* on a seized computer? This should not be public knowledge at this point in time, should it? Or am I misunderstanding your statement (bolded)?


Has anyone considered a swingers club linked to the possibles? I did a quick search and it seems there is a lively group in Monroe area. I could not force myself to go any further. Which brings me back to remembering the old Bob Bashara hangout not far from Milan area. I believe this was even mentioned early in our discussions here. Something is nibbling at my brain and causing me deep concern in regard to what Julia may have known that could have caused someone to be afraid of her blabbing. I cannot be more specific, because I do not know where these thoughts might lead. Could even be a dead end for me.

I hope they have had a chance to speak with LE, 4ist, and I imagine they have discretely as children are involved.

When you and Trojan post, things seem to fall into place. I appreciate your persistence. Kids may naturally, because they learn and pattern their behavior on those they see around them, filter what they say to keep things calm, so there may be more to it. It seems very obvious to me that her maternal grandparents, that would be your strong truth seeking brave characters were imbued in Julia.

Okay, Spellie, your brain is nibbling where mine has too, in terms of infidelity possibly having been at issue, if not more, as a motive to end Julia's precious, promising and young life. Though I can imagine you would be able to swing what it would take to get your foot in the door and sit these said Monroe spouse swappers down to ask them about Turnquist, I'm sure you won't go there. As *advertiser censored*, images good enough to have him in an ankle bracelet and mandated to supervised visits with his own child, so child *advertiser censored*, in addition to evidence of a highly manipulative character, have not been enough to turn his support around among those he has the most hold on for one reason or another, then one may be safe in assuming more may have been at issue for him.

And here's, where rosesfromangels' wisdom comes into play for me, Turnquist being the man he has been described, my suspicion or conjecture would be that his anger had been brewing with Julia over time. If she represented, at the time, the unraveling of his hold over Kim, his marriage, and more, and that is may not have been the result of an explosive episode, but a deliberate and calculated attempt to get back, settle scores, show himself for the man he feels his in his own head or to somebody (not sure whom), that in the end, then all this may have been his way of asserting some control over what ever part of his life may have been unraveling.

Even if JTs character is as bad as some people here suggest, I am not sure how he COULD have killed Julia. What is the theory here? Kim and her two daughters have given JT an alibi for the murder. But let us assume that JT sneaked out while the others were asleep. Isn't it unlikely that one of the three people (and a dog?) would not wake up while he sneaks out? then they again do not wake up when he comes back? Nor do they notice that he is gone in the time in between? if JT left while everyone was asleep, then it must have been really late, say 11pm or later. So he makes an unannounced visit to Julia around midnight or later. Would she let this man, who allegedly sexually abused her, let him in at this time of night? I think not. JMO


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Black Squirrel, they did not have a dog at that time, and as I have mentioned before, Kim has shared with us that many nights she slept on the living room couch, she was a very sound sleeper, and loud snorer. Many family and friends have actually taken pictures of Kim sleeping out with them. She would almost just pass-out and there would be no waking her up. The time frame that we have knowledge of when someone was in her apartment Would have been before midnight that Sunday. With the Turnquist's basically living separate lives, they usually just did their own thing, coming and goings. So it is very possible that he could have been gone during that time. As well as Kim and Jennifer very well could have been working or playing out and about. From the beginning of this investigation their stories did not agree as to where they were and now they magically all agree that they were all home that Sunday night. In my opinion, something is not right with their alibis. Unfortunately, this investigation is being held up by the Turnquist family because they are not giving a formal statement.

I do want to mention this as well, something to think about. When they came with a warrant in Feb. For the computers, cell phones, camera, video recorder (which surprised me that they even had a video recorder, for we sure had never seen them use it at parties or gatherings we attended, nor had they ever shared any videos with us of our grandkids growing up). Kim was home, JT was not, Kim would not let the cops in, she called JT to come home quick. When she did let the cops in, she asked them what the warrant was for? When They told her it was for the above mentioned items, because they had found child *advertiser censored* on the computer (Kim's computer) that they took in Dec. 2014. She immediately told the cops that SHE had come across child *advertiser censored* pop ups and had a hard time getting rid of them. The police said that sounded as if she was trying to make excuses and take the responsibility for the child Pornograpy being on her computer. So really it makes one wonder...
 
As far as I know, Julia did not do drugs. She hated them and being around people who used them. This was one reason for the ill feelings between her and a room mate. Evidently she caught them doing something in their apartment which led to a "blowup" between them.

Trojan, that could be significant, IMO. While I'm sure LE grilled the roommates, I would press on this roomate who partook, and look for any suppliers who might have been exposed, and had issue with Julia.

Unlikely, but worthy of consideration I would think.
That immediately raised a flag for me
Btw, if it was just before finals it was probably coke or meth I speculate.
 
Rosesfromangels I have been watching this site since Julia was found dead. This is my first post. I am a Monroe resident. My daughter graduated from Monroe High School with Julia and Jennifer and Cassie Bruck. I take offense to your opinion of Monroe. Monroe is not my hometown. We are transplants to Monroe. We raised our children here and know the dynamics of this place because we LIVE here. I would suggest to you that although this case and the case of Chelsea Bruck have put an unfavorable lens on Monroe that there are more people here like the Bruck family then there are people that you conjure. Julia Niswender was murdered in Ypsilanti MI.

My personal theory on this case is that Julia was murdered by someone whom she knew, however my armchair philosophy would never lead me to believe that I have more information than law enforcement or that I could possibly know more than parties directly involved with Julia or her family friends.

Earlier you called JT a known pornographer. I'm sorry but has JT been convicted by a trial of his peers? No he has not. Only accused. I have little tolerance for witch hunts. Would I let my kids near JT before he is cleared/convicted? Never in a million years.

This forum has allowed many what if's to be explored. What if your community, family, intimate texts, family dynamics, personal habits were explored? I'm sure the armchair sleuths could make mincemeat of your personal world.

I will revisit my silent sleuthing hoping all the while that you remember that everything you put on sm is here to stay and that you realize that this country allows a person the right to an attorney and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ajmo. Peace.


I'm sorry, I am just trying to help and I mean no disrespect.
My posts are speculation and opinion like every one else.
I analyze data and come up with best theories for people to pull apart.
This is a very painful case, and I'm sorry if I offended.
I will cease to offer theories, but happy to provide data I uncover.

Peace!
 
I would theorize that if Mr. Turnquist is the Perp, the attack most likely happened prior to him arriving at home. This is why I keep asking what time he came home on Dec 9 and Dec 10, and where he was prior to arriving at home. This man seems to move all over the Monroe and Ypisilanti map, literally, without accountability. (See Forager's map).

The portrayal of Mr. Turnquist becomes less favorable as this thread progresses. Does it make him a murderer? Not necessarily, no. Do I think LE is correct in naming him a POI? YES.

Why did Turnquist leave Kim at one point and a divorce was discussed? What was that all about?

Editing to add that Kim and Jennifer could have stated mistruths about the timeline to protect Turnquist. Why they would protect this sketchy character is unclear.

First, they did not have a dog at the time of Julia's murder. Jennifer has told me that JT was there when she went to bed and was there when she got up that morning. That's all I know. I do know that my daughter is a very, very sound sleeper and as when she was younger, very hard to wake up in the morning. I just thought I'd add this to your comments.

I'm sorry to say that I have developed a pretty dismal view of Monroe. Apologies to the good citizens, but I have.

Good grief. No lack of Chokers. A sad commentary on our society, and makes me wonder if a women's place in this world has evolved, or not. : /

I'm adding him to my "EBR" list. (Not POI, but eye brow raiser). He should be spoken to, and checked off, or interviewed further. The mere fact he was accused of choking a woman, is acquainted with Julia (even loosely), and lived in close proximity is enough to put him on the EBR list.

Thanks Black Squirrel, you are an excellent sleuther!

Does anyone know any special school projects Julia had been working on just before her passing? I'm most interested in anything she might have been doing for her communications class.

Now, a second more sensitive question. And I apologize for even asking it as it is not a nice question, but I'm looking at everything. Was Julia know to occasionally dabble with recreational drugs? With finals looming, many students will take something to keep them up and cramming. If the answer is yes, would you speculate she might have obtained the occasional recreational drug from one of the aforementioned shady Monroe citizens?

This is wild speculation, and I mean no disrespect to the family members. But I am pressure testing our current theory for holes.

Roses, As far as I know JT didn't leave Kim, he did ask her for a divorce about 9-12 months ago, but I believe that she left the Turnquist house and stayed with her friends Melissa and Pam. That is where JT went when he posted bond.
As for Julia and any drug use, I am not sure but I know that she did drink.
 
Rosesfromangels I have been watching this site since Julia was found dead. This is my first post. I am a Monroe resident. My daughter graduated from Monroe High School with Julia and Jennifer and Cassie Bruck. I take offense to your opinion of Monroe. Monroe is not my hometown. We are transplants to Monroe. We raised our children here and know the dynamics of this place because we LIVE here. I would suggest to you that although this case and the case of Chelsea Bruck have put an unfavorable lens on Monroe that there are more people here like the Bruck family then there are people that you conjure. Julia Niswender was murdered in Ypsilanti MI.

My personal theory on this case is that Julia was murdered by someone whom she knew, however my armchair philosophy would never lead me to believe that I have more information than law enforcement or that I could possibly know more than parties directly involved with Julia or her family friends.

Earlier you called JT a known pornographer. I'm sorry but has JT been convicted by a trial of his peers? No he has not. Only accused. I have little tolerance for witch hunts. Would I let my kids near JT before he is cleared/convicted? Never in a million years.

This forum has allowed many what if's to be explored. What if your community, family, intimate texts, family dynamics, personal habits were explored? I'm sure the armchair sleuths could make mincemeat of your personal world.

I will revisit my silent sleuthing hoping all the while that you remember that everything you put on sm is here to stay and that you realize that this country allows a person the right to an attorney and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Ajmo. Peace.

Glad you joined in on the discussion. But don't sleuth in silence! You have strong opinions and sound ready for the rough and tumble of the thread. Join in and tell Roses that you sometimes take a dim view of California. She can take it, she knows what she's doing, and she'll keep pushing for the truth.

Edited Later: I take it back. I hadn't yet read Roses post below, apologizing and saying that she'll refrain from offering theories. Amazing what a little high dudgeon and ad hominem can achieve in putting your position across. That, I take a dim view of.
 
Ok, trying to redeem myself, my DH tells me that Christie Brinkley is from Monroe, which, according to him, makes it an exceptional place. So there you have it!
 
Black Squirrel, they did not have a dog at that time, and as I have mentioned before, Kim has shared with us that many nights she slept on the living room couch, she was a very sound sleeper, and loud snorer. Many family and friends have actually taken pictures of Kim sleeping out with them. She would almost just pass-out and there would be no waking her up. The time frame that we have knowledge of when someone was in her apartment Would have been before midnight that Sunday. With the Turnquist's basically living desperate lives, they usually just did their own thing, coming and goings. So it is very possible that he could have been gone during that time. As well as Kim and Jennifer very well could have been working or playing out and about. From the beginning of this investigation their stories did not agree as to where they were and now they magically all agree that they were all home that Sunday night. In my opinion, something is not right with their alibis. Unfortunately, this investigation is being held up by the Turnquist family because they are not giving a formal statement.

I do want to mention this as well, something to think about. When they came with a warrant in Feb. For the computers, cell phones, camera, video recorder (which surprised me that they even had a video recorder, for we sure had never seen them use it at parties or gatherings we attended, nor had they ever shared any videos with us of our grandkids growing up). Kim was home, JT was not, Kim would not let the cops in, she called JT to come home quick. When she did let the cops in, she asked them what the warrant was for? When T's it was for the above mentioned items, because they had found child *advertiser censored* on the computer (Kim's computer) that they took in Dec. 2014. She immediately told the cops that SHE had come across child *advertiser censored* pop ups and had a hard time getting rid of them. The police said that sounded as if she was trying to make exudes and take the responsibility for the child Pornograpy being on her computer. So really it makes one wonder...

You've provided awesome substance to our understanding. It's very much appreciated that you're taking the time, have the courage and conviction to do this in trying to find the truth of what happened to Julia.



I'm sorry, I am just trying to help and I mean no disrespect.
My posts are speculation and opinion like every one else.
I analyze data and come up with best theories for people to pull apart.
This is a very painful case, and I'm sorry if I offended.
I will cease to offer theories, but happy to provide data I uncover.

Peace!

rosesfromangels, you're always the most open-minded and gracious member around. Anyone who spurs your inattention to a thread and spurns your ideas must fear truth on some level, as 'Gibraltar may tumble', I would have to believe. Reasoning based on logical fallacies ought not stem the flow of your perceptive analysis.
 
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