Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership

[Alethea Dice]

1./ PA is a subsidiary of Empire Aero Center New York

2./ Empire Aero Center is a subsidiary of IAI

3./ IAI is owned by a certain government that shall remain nameless.

4./ If you connect the dots 1 thru 4 .... put some cushions on the floor ;-)

Lets just say.... Voila !!!!

Actually, it appears that PA bought Empire Aero from IAI.

The quest to sell the Empire Aero Center at the Griffiss International Airport in Rome is near completion, Oneida County officials said Wednesday.

Israel Aerospace Industries, Empire Aero’s parent company, would be selling the business and the lease to Building 101 at the airport to the Premier Aviation Overhaul Center out of Quebec, Canada.

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x380561040/Empire-Aero-sale-nears-completion

See my earlier link as well. And PA's announcement of the acquisition.

The hope was to save the 200 jobs that were being lost, but it doesn't sound like much happened in two years.

However, if I recall correctly, there was still another connection between PA and IAI. I will have to go back and review it again.

JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

1./ PA is a subsidiary of Empire Aero Center New York

2./ Empire Aero Center is a subsidiary of IAI

3./ IAI is owned by a certain government that shall remain nameless.

4./ If you connect the dots 1 thru 4 .... put some cushions on the floor ;-)

Lets just say.... Voila !!!!

Blomquist-just some clarification:
IMO, PA is a Canadian born company and is not a subsidiary of Empire, but rather expanded into the USA in 2010 by "acquiring" the assets of Empire Aero. IMO, trying to implicate PA in this fashion and then tying it into TB's murder is very unfounded, if not downright unfair: MOO

"Once thought to be the anchor of the airport, the Empire Aero Center notified the state in February that its parent company was pursuing a buyer in order to avoid closing the center. The notification said that the about 200 workers still there at the time could have to be laid off if a deal wasn’t reached. The majority of employees were later laid off."

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x196681...-Griffiss-International-Airport#ixzz2aggaEO75 (BTW, this is a very informative article about what had happened at Griffiss Airport)

"has completed the acquisition of the assets of the Empire Aero center in
Rome, New York located at the Griffiss International airport"

http://www.premieraviation.ca/ress/contents/PressReleaseExpansion_EN.pdf
http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...s-airline-maintenance-services-us-1349102.htm
.
Also, IMO, Israel Aerospace Industries is not owned by the government of Israel, but is rather a Corporation that just happens to be in Israel.

For a bit of info about IAI's business :
http://www.flightglobal.com/features/israel-special/iai/

and actual ownership of IAI:

"he used his experience and knowledge in aviation and business to create the foundation of today's leading industrial corporation in Israel. "

"IAI's development has paralleled that of the State of Israel and the Company has been privileged to play a substantial role in the industrial, technological and economic progress of the country and its national security."
http://www.iai.co.il/12019-en/CompanyInfo-IAIandtheSecurityofIsrael.aspx

"IAI is the largest aerospace & defense company and the largest industrial exporter in Israel. IAI strives to be a world leader in all of its main areas of activity."
http://www.iai.co.il/10285-en/CompanyInfo-CompanyProfile.aspx

IMHO, there is no relationship between the PA that was born out of Quebec and IAI, an aerospace company in Israel and thus, no international connection to the murder of TB. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Good point. Yes Millardair appears to have finalized its site plan agreement in June 2011. Site plan agreements do not get negotiated overnight. They are usually pretty big and it is very normal for them to take months to finalize. And there is a lot of planning just to get to that point.

In my current investigation of PA and MROs, it seems PA has recently taken its logo off the Windsor hangar and that whole situation looks like a huge mess. There have been very few planes serviced.
http://www.windsorsquare.ca/2013/06/francis-flying-blind/

I am looking for an article on MROs from the Fall 2012 Wings magazine that may have caused concern for DM and created panic for WM.

This was in the September-October issue of Wings.

http://www.wingsmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7625&Itemid=146

I wonder if it could have been as simple as realizing that his old Air Canada connections weren't going to be of any help.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Blomquist-just some clarification:
IMO, PA is a Canadian born company and is not a subsidiary of Empire, but rather expanded into the USA in 2010 by "acquiring" the assets of Empire Aero. IMO, trying to implicate PA in this fashion and then tying it into TB's murder is very unfounded, if not downright unfair: MOO

"Once thought to be the anchor of the airport, the Empire Aero Center notified the state in February that its parent company was pursuing a buyer in order to avoid closing the center. The notification said that the about 200 workers still there at the time could have to be laid off if a deal wasn’t reached. The majority of employees were later laid off."

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x196681...-Griffiss-International-Airport#ixzz2aggaEO75 (BTW, this is a very informative article about what had happened at Griffiss Airport)

"has completed the acquisition of the assets of the Empire Aero center in
Rome, New York located at the Griffiss International airport"

http://www.premieraviation.ca/ress/contents/PressReleaseExpansion_EN.pdf
http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...s-airline-maintenance-services-us-1349102.htm
.
Also, IMO, Israel Aerospace Industries is not owned by the government of Israel, but is rather a Corporation that just happens to be in Israel.

For a bit of info about IAI's business :
http://www.flightglobal.com/features/israel-special/iai/

and actual ownership of IAI:

"he used his experience and knowledge in aviation and business to create the foundation of today's leading industrial corporation in Israel. "

"IAI's development has paralleled that of the State of Israel and the Company has been privileged to play a substantial role in the industrial, technological and economic progress of the country and its national security."
http://www.iai.co.il/12019-en/CompanyInfo-IAIandtheSecurityofIsrael.aspx

"IAI is the largest aerospace & defense company and the largest industrial exporter in Israel. IAI strives to be a world leader in all of its main areas of activity."
http://www.iai.co.il/10285-en/CompanyInfo-CompanyProfile.aspx

IMHO, there is no relationship between the PA that was born out of Quebec and IAI, an aerospace company in Israel and thus, no international connection to the murder of TB. MOO

I agree with most of this, except that IAI is in fact a government owned corporation. It was founded in 1953 by the Ministry of Defense to maintain IDF aircraft and grew from there.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/israel-aircraft-industries-ltd-history/

 

[MsSherlock]

I agree with most of this, except that IAI is in fact a government owned corporation. It was founded in 1953 by the Ministry of Defense to maintain IDF aircraft and grew from there.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/israel-aircraft-industries-ltd-history/

Thanks Alethea. Just as a note, FWIW, IMO, the article at fundinguniverse may not be as accurate as the history from the IAI website even though it's an excerpt from the International Director of Company Histories 2005. Fundinguniverse refers to IAI as Israel Aircraft Industries and the actual name is "Israel Aerospace Industries". IAI website states "the company worked closely with the IAF to meet its needs" IMO, it worked closely with the IAF, may have received funds from the government, but it was not owned by the governement. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thanks Alethea. Just as a note, FWIW, IMO, the article at fundinguniverse may not be as accurate as the history from the IAI website even though it's an excerpt from the International Director of Company Histories 2005. Fundinguniverse refers to IAI as Israel Aircraft Industries and the actual name is "Israel Aerospace Industries". IAI website states "the company worked closely with the IAF to meet its needs" IMO, it worked closely with the IAF, may have received funds from the government, but it was not owned by the governement. MOO

Except for the name Aircraft showing instead of Aerospace, everything else seems to match. From the IAI website:

Bedek - 1953-1959
Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, who saw the connection between Israel's strategic situation and its technological, developmental and manufacturing capability, was the driving force behind IAI's establishment. Ben-Gurion recruited IAI founder and first President Al Schwimmer to set up an aircraft maintenance and overhaul plant.

http://www.iai.co.il/12021-15281-en/CompanyInfo-PresentPastFuture.aspx?=2

From Forbes....

I was extraordinarily privileged to know Al Schwimmer, a former transport pilot in World War II,, who helped create Israel’s air force in the 1948 War of Independence, and then was chosen to build the nation’s military might at Israel Aircraft Industries, a government-owned enterprise responsible for the defense of Israel and the export of weapons ever since.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2011/06/12/al-schwimmer-an-american-crucial-to-the-state-of-israel/

Actually, Israel Aircraft Industries changed it's name to Israel Aerospace Industries at some point.

In 1951, he accepted Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion’s invitation to settle in Israel and established Israel Aircraft Industries, a state-run company that later was renamed Israel Aerospace Industries.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-06-15/local/35234527_1_al-schwimmer-iran-contra-jewish-state

HTH

 

[swedie]

"Sounds to me like AS may have been ready to walk out the door and DM knew he could be left high and dry to find another management consultant"

Doesn't sound like that would have been a big loss to me. JMO

IMHO, AS portrayed himself very clearly as having anger issues when he cried to the press about his "spoilt brat" of a boss.

What was laid in his lap "all tied nicely in a big, fancy bow"? A failing business that still had no prospects of any contracts 9 months after the construction was finished? A business that had already cost his father over $6 million?

JMO

:seeya: Thanks Alethea. Glad someone else sees it was a failing business. Others including DP seem to think DM is financially well off. Guess we will have to wait and see if any of this information becomes public knowledge.

Whatever business anyone goes into, typically it's a financially risk and it takes time to build up clientele, get the ball rolling and iron out the wrinkles. So for DM to throw the towel in so soon is oversight on his part IMHO. Sounds to me like he had a team of people backing him and willing to help him make an honest effort of getting this business off the ground (no pun intended). There were negotiations in place and we have no idea where that could have led to. So to assume there were no prospective takers is just that, assumption.

AS is only one person brave enough to come forward with information for the public. Sorry... there were the executives at Millardair also who seemed to be in agreement with AS that DM spelled trouble. Hence, As far as Mr. Sharif and other executives at the company were concerned, Dellen and his red mohawk spelled trouble. And I don't think it was the mohawk that was the issue. I believe it had to do with lack of cooperation, bad attitude and self righteousness to name a few. :moo:

It will be interesting to eventually hear other peoples' opinions on, and relationships with DM. Only then will we have a better picture of him and what the real underlying issues were, plus what he could have done differently. He may never get that chance now. If only some people could turn back the hands of time, I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of them who wishes he could have done many things differently with more cooperation, respect and honesty. Of course unless he is a narcissist, psychopath or a sociopath. Possibly a combination of all three. JMHO.

 

[Snoofo]

:seeya: Thanks Alethea. Glad someone else sees it was a failing business. Others including DP seem to think DM is financially well off. Guess we will have to wait and see if any of this information becomes public knowledge

.

(Bbm) IMO Just because the business was failing doesn't mean it's DMs only source of income and that he couldn't be financially well off. Some people do flip homes for a living. He also collected monthly rent from a six-unit building. He was also resourceful enough to rent out the Pearson hangar for extra income, I.e. Hollywood movies. At 27 DM had a lot more in his name than I do and I am a lot older! I have yet to see a mortgage in my own DM sleuthing although that doesn't mean one doesn't exist.
...MOO.

AS is only one person brave enough to come forward with information for the public. Sorry... there were the executives at Millardair also who seemed to be in agreement with AS that DM spelled trouble. Hence, As far as Mr. Sharif and other executives at the company were concerned, Dellen and his red mohawk spelled trouble.And I don't think it was the mohawk that was the issue. I believe it had to do with lack of cooperation, bad attitude and self righteousness to name a few.

(BBM). Who are these executives? IMO, Just more people who the Millards were paying for a long time for their "expertise" in MRO business? None of these people had Internet connection I guess, or read about the trade or they would have been able to stop WM along the way to tell him this business "will not fly" (excuse the pun) in this day and age in N. America. Maybe they didn't know it two years ago, but I am sure once they figured it out, and they would have heard about the decline in the market IMO, if they spoke to WM about it and it was decided they shouldn't proceed, that means no more paycheques for little to no work, IMHO.. Now that the situation is being exposed, I wouldn't expect not to see the self-preservation going on. They can blame the guy in custody because he has way bigger fish to fry right now. And how the red Mohawk made it into the conversation is ridiculous when the last time he sported one that we've seen was 2011 and the hangar hadn't even been built!!

IMO there is a lot of reason for these people to try to preserve their own reputations. IMO they totally scammed WM (who sounds like a real "nice guy") for awhile there. Why didn't AS mention in the interview with AB that MROs are closing down all over the place and this business was doomed (or, alternatively there is that possibility he did, and AB decided that didn't fit well with where she wanted the story to go)? I wouldn't be surprised if that is the reality but if then again why would he say that when he needs more "WMs" in his future?
. And about this:

AS is only one person brave enough to come forward with information

I don't think AS is a villain, but he is first and foremost a salesman. I don't take anything a salesman says at face value. A salesman is always looking for the next sale, needs any kind of advertisement, and needs that reputation to stay clean IMO. His name associated to this case will lead to phone calls from lost contacts and who knows what. MOO - He will play the cool guy who tried to save the MRO while this "brat" sits in jail.

 

[Juballee]

:seeya: Thanks Alethea. Glad someone else sees it was a failing business. Others including DP seem to think DM is financially well off. Guess we will have to wait and see if any of this information becomes public knowledge.

Whatever business anyone goes into, typically it's a financially risk and it takes time to build up clientele, get the ball rolling and iron out the wrinkles. So for DM to throw the towel in so soon is oversight on his part IMHO. Sounds to me like he had a team of people backing him and willing to help him make an honest effort of getting this business off the ground (no pun intended). There were negotiations in place and we have no idea where that could have led to. So to assume there were no prospective takers is just that, assumption.

AS is only one person brave enough to come forward with information for the public. Sorry... there were the executives at Millardair also who seemed to be in agreement with AS that DM spelled trouble. Hence, As far as Mr. Sharif and other executives at the company were concerned, Dellen and his red mohawk spelled trouble. And I don't think it was the mohawk that was the issue. I believe it had to do with lack of cooperation, bad attitude and self righteousness to name a few. :moo:

It will be interesting to eventually hear other peoples' opinions on, and relationships with DM. Only then will we have a better picture of him and what the real underlying issues were, plus what he could have done differently. He may never get that chance now. If only some people could turn back the hands of time, I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of them who wishes he could have done many things differently with more cooperation, respect and honesty. Of course unless he is a narcissist, psychopath or a sociopath. Possibly a combination of all three. JMHO.

I am not sure where the bravery is in calling your former boss childish names when he is not in a position to defend himself. If AS was so brave, why didn't he have the guts to then tell them the MRO business was doomed last fall, was he just waiting for a few more paycheques first? I see nothing of value in AS's sensationalizing publicity grab, just a disgruntled former employee trying to put the blame for his failure on someone whom he knew could not speak back to correct the statements or properly defend himself, in my opinion.

I am also not sure how we can now sit back and judge someone's effort and whether or not it was honest or merely an act (meant to impress who, you do not say). And we do not even know if DM threw the towel in too early, or perhaps too late. For all we know, the argument with AS that DM diffused could have been because WM questioned the viability and was ready to throw in the towel last year.

And as for armchair diagnosis of any speculative mental illness that some seem to want DM to possess, I must really suggest that people do a little research into the actual symptoms of these mental illnesses and possibly even find some evidence to back them up before they start wild rumours that cannot be substantiated but are oh so convenient a label for want of a motive. Mental illnesses are actual diseases and deficiencies that real people struggle with, and to wantonly label things we don't understand as possessing a mental illness is as absurd as speculating that someone has a prosthetic limb because it is possible that they may have limped at one time, or that they have aids because they have lost some weight. Let us show some respect to those who have the tools to properly diagnose such illnesses and to those who actually have them who shouldn't be made to feel that their illness is comparable to and compatible with being accused of a heinous crime.

 

[Blomquist]

Actually, it appears that PA bought Empire Aero from IAI.



http://www.uticaod.com/news/x380561040/Empire-Aero-sale-nears-completion

See my earlier link as well. And PA's announcement of the acquisition.

The hope was to save the 200 jobs that were being lost, but it doesn't sound like much happened in two years.

However, if I recall correctly, there was still another connection between PA and IAI. I will have to go back and review it again.

JMO

Online info is very odd on this matter. The original link stated that PS was in some way partnered with EAC. Then another mentioned that PA was a subsidiary. I will check to see if that link is still active.

The info is very complex but please try to find whatever you can , I will also take another look....

 

[Alethea Dice]

:seeya: Thanks Alethea. Glad someone else sees it was a failing business. Others including DP seem to think DM is financially well off. Guess we will have to wait and see if any of this information becomes public knowledge.

Whatever business anyone goes into, typically it's a financially risk and it takes time to build up clientele, get the ball rolling and iron out the wrinkles. So for DM to throw the towel in so soon is oversight on his part IMHO. Sounds to me like he had a team of people backing him and willing to help him make an honest effort of getting this business off the ground (no pun intended). There were negotiations in place and we have no idea where that could have led to. So to assume there were no prospective takers is just that, assumption.

AS is only one person brave enough to come forward with information for the public. Sorry... there were the executives at Millardair also who seemed to be in agreement with AS that DM spelled trouble. Hence, As far as Mr. Sharif and other executives at the company were concerned, Dellen and his red mohawk spelled trouble. And I don't think it was the mohawk that was the issue. I believe it had to do with lack of cooperation, bad attitude and self righteousness to name a few. :moo:

It will be interesting to eventually hear other peoples' opinions on, and relationships with DM. Only then will we have a better picture of him and what the real underlying issues were, plus what he could have done differently. He may never get that chance now. If only some people could turn back the hands of time, I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of them who wishes he could have done many things differently with more cooperation, respect and honesty. Of course unless he is a narcissist, psychopath or a sociopath. Possibly a combination of all three. JMHO.

FWIW, I don't think the failure of the MillardAir hangar has anything to do with DM's financial status. They are two totally different things IMO.

Whether there were negotiations in place or not is also an assumption based on AS's claim in his attempt to redeem himself at the expense of his boss. JMO

We have heard several other people's opinions on DM, all much different than AS's. We only have to choose not to ignore them. But, we've already had that conversation.

JMO

 

[Blomquist]

:seeya: Thanks Alethea. Glad someone else sees it was a failing business. Others including DP seem to think DM is financially well off. Guess we will have to wait and see if any of this information becomes public knowledge.

A failing part of a business is not necessarily cause for concern. Especially if the business owner has significant assets that are outside of the incorporated business. Millard Holdings would also be separate IMO. But putting money into a business that is managed by some incompetent who is failing to obtain the contracts he is paid to obtain, would be a cause for concern...simply because spending money aimlessly and paying a non producing employee is not good business at any time.

DM can be well off regardless of whether one area of Millard enterprises is yet to yield results. JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I am not sure where the bravery is in calling your former boss childish names when he is not in a position to defend himself. If AS was so brave, why didn't he have the guts to then tell them the MRO business was doomed last fall, was he just waiting for a few more paycheques first? I see nothing of value in AS's sensationalizing publicity grab, just a disgruntled former employee trying to put the blame for his failure on someone whom he knew could not speak back to correct the statements or properly defend himself, in my opinion.

I am also not sure how we can now sit back and judge someone's effort and whether or not it was honest or merely an act (meant to impress who, you do not say). And we do not even know if DM threw the towel in too early, or perhaps too late. For all we know, the argument with AS that DM diffused could have been because WM questioned the viability and was ready to throw in the towel last year.

And as for armchair diagnosis of any speculative mental illness that some seem to want DM to possess, I must really suggest that people do a little research into the actual symptoms of these mental illnesses and possibly even find some evidence to back them up before they start wild rumours that cannot be substantiated but are oh so convenient a label for want of a motive. Mental illnesses are actual diseases and deficiencies that real people struggle with, and to wantonly label things we don't understand as possessing a mental illness is as absurd as speculating that someone has a prosthetic limb because it is possible that they may have limped at one time, or that they have aids because they have lost some weight. Let us show some respect to those who have the tools to properly diagnose such illnesses and to those who actually have them who shouldn't be made to feel that their illness is comparable to and compatible with being accused of a heinous crime.

rbbm

Thank you!!:tyou:

Too often, this is the excuse that many create when no motive can be found. It's part of the stigma and discrimination that haunts the lives of many who really do have some form of mental health condition.

http://ontario.cmha.ca/mental-health/mental-health-conditions/stigma-and-discrimination/

 

[Alethea Dice]

Online info is very odd on this matter. The original link stated that PS was in some way partnered with EAC. Then another mentioned that PA was a subsidiary. I will check to see if that link is still active.

The info is very complex but please try to find whatever you can , I will also take another look....

Wasn't it something to do with Lockheed?

 

[Blomquist]

Wasn't it something to do with Lockheed?

Yes there was a link to LH.... I believe both PA and LH were taking the assets of Aveos and some of their workers too....also some of Air Canada workers. I will find what I have about this... I am out most of the day but will get back to this late afternoon.

 

[dizzy1]

I am not sure where the bravery is in calling your former boss childish names when he is not in a position to defend himself. If AS was so brave, why didn't he have the guts to then tell them the MRO business was doomed last fall, was he just waiting for a few more paycheques first?

RSBM
MOO, but I don't believe it was AS's job to tell WM that his business was doomed. He was hired as a consultant, not as a business advisor for WM. MOO, but it wouldn't be a very smart move as a salesman to tell the boss who hired you that the business is doomed. As far as we know, he was doing his job and attempting to find contracts in what we have learned is a very competitive industry. IMO it was up to WM to do his homework, and figure out if getting into the MRO aspect of aviation was a smart business venture. It was WM who invested $6.4 million dollars to build the hangar, AS was simply hired as an employee.

I am also not sure how we can now sit back and judge someone's effort and whether or not it was honest or merely an act (meant to impress who, you do not say). And we do not even know if DM threw the towel in too early, or perhaps too late. For all we know, the argument with AS that DM diffused could have been because WM questioned the viability and was ready to throw in the towel last year.

IMO the best time to "throw the towel in" was before WM invested the $6.4 million to build the hangar in the first place. Since that money had already been spent, with hangar built, tools bought, employees hired, and MRO certification received, they may as well have taken a chance at it IMO. Why sell everything to make just .20 cents on every dollar invested. If AS wasn't "doing his job" as some are speculating, maybe DM should have fired AS, and hired another consultant, rather than just calling it quits. Doesn't make sense to me. MOO:moo:

 

[Sillybilly]

And as for armchair diagnosis of any speculative mental illness that some seem to want DM to possess ...

<snip>

(This is the properties thread, however I will respond here and maybe a Mod will see fit to move this to the appropriate thread)

As a discussion board, we have some armchair spec wrt DM possibly having a mental illness; we also seem to have armchair speculation wrt a gigantic conspiracy wherein Israel is somehow ultimately connected to the murder of Tim Bosma. Would someone kindly provide a Coles Notes version on the latter.

JMO

 

[Juballee]

RSBM
MOO, but I don't believe it was AS's job to tell WM that his business was doomed. He was hired as a consultant, not as a business advisor for WM. MOO, but it wouldn't be a very smart move as a salesman to tell the boss who hired you that the business is doomed. As far as we know, he was doing his job and attempting to find contracts in what we have learned is a very competitive industry. IMO it was up to WM to do his homework, and figure out if getting into the MRO aspect of aviation was a smart business venture. It was WM who invested $6.4 million dollars to build the hangar, AS was simply hired as an employee.



IMO the best time to "throw the towel in" was before WM invested the $6.4 million to build the hangar in the first place. Since that money had already been spent, with hangar built, tools bought, employees hired, and MRO certification received, they may as well have taken a chance at it IMO. Why sell everything to make just .20 cents on every dollar invested. If AS wasn't "doing his job" as some are speculating, maybe DM should have fired AS, and hired another consultant, rather than just calling it quits. Doesn't make sense to me. MOO:moo:

I am confused, are you saying that for AS being hired as a consultant, it would NOT have been his job to consult WM on what he was hired to do?

I agree in that I think that AS probably thought it would have stopped the paycheques to tell the boss that his business is doomed, and that then would have given him a motive to continue to pretend that there is still a possibility of getting contracts for as long as possible.

If I am correct, then by your own reasoning, the fact that they did take a chance on it for 6 more months after inquiring about selling it off for 20 cents on the dollar, was a waste, if, as you say, they should have thrown the towel in before it was built. Do we know when DM fired (or laid off) AS? Maybe he did hire someone else for the last 6 months for all we know? Which would again explain why AS had such unflattering things to say about his former employer.

 

[Juballee]

<snip>

(This is the properties thread, however I will respond here and maybe a Mod will see fit to move this to the appropriate thread)

As a discussion board, we have some armchair spec wrt DM possibly having a mental illness; we also seem to have armchair speculation wrt a gigantic conspiracy wherein Israel is somehow ultimately connected to the murder of Tim Bosma. Would someone kindly provide a Coles Notes version on the latter.

JMO

Again, people with real mental illnesses probably don't appreciate it when people assume that unexplained motives suggest mental illness, especially when there is no corresponding evidence provided, or if people don't truly understand the real symptoms of these diseases. There have been links to pages describing the mental illnesses he has been accused of having, which showed that he does not actually display those symptoms to our knowledge. In most cases where there is apparent mental illness, it is apparent before they are arrested as well, and there are people who come forward and say how they could always tell that they were unbalanced. We have no such claims here, unless you want to count a penchant for dog biscuits as a mental illness.

And there have been links and Coles notes on the Israeli, LM and PA possible connections to the case, but you will have to look back in the threads to find them, <modsnip> some links have already been deactivated, which some here find interesting in itself.

 

[swedie]

Again, people with real mental illnesses probably don't appreciate it when people assume that unexplained motives suggest mental illness, especially when there is no corresponding evidence provided, or if people don't truly understand the real symptoms of these diseases. There have been links to pages describing the mental illnesses he has been accused of having, which showed that he does not actually display those symptoms to our knowledge. In most cases where there is apparent mental illness, it is apparent before they are arrested as well, and there are people who come forward and say how they could always tell that they were unbalanced. We have no such claims here, unless you want to count a penchant for dog biscuits as a mental illness.

And there have been links and Coles notes on the Israeli, LM and PA possible connections to the case, but you will have to look back in the threads to find them, <modsnip> some links have already been deactivated, which some here find interesting in itself.

From all the information on the WWW of DM personality traits, and peoples' opinions, lumping them in with the potential he is a murderer in the vilest of forms very well has grounds for mental illness. I am versed in regards to mental health and illness if that is any consolation. I spent many years employed in a mental healthcare facility and learnt a great deal in that area. If what people are saying in these articles are true, and DM is a murderer, he is more than likely one or the other, maybe both. And possible a narcissist HTH.

The Difference Between A Sociopath And A Psychopath

http://learus.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/the-difference-between-a-sociopath-and-a-psychopath/