Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership

[MsSherlock]

Not at all..... AS failed to do his job and the contracts were sailing into the hands of PA...who appear to have a great deal of backing and influential connections. Any vision WM and DM may have had were seriously hijacked in my opinion. It's hard to continue a legacy when 'forces' beyond our control take over the reigns and 'force' the hand so to speak. JMO

Blomquist, IMO it is speculation by a few sleuthers that this was happening. Can you please provide a link to substantiate your claim that "the contracts were sailing into the hands of PA"

 

[Blomquist]

Blomquist, IMO it is speculation by a few sleuthers that this was happening. Can you please provide a link to substantiate your claim that "the contracts were sailing into the hands of PA"

I did say it was JMO....but my opinion is based on what I have read. Many posts were made with multiple links to the contracts that PA had obtained. But I will find one for you to save you the trouble of looking them up on this site and to show you how I formed my opinion............

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/28/wdr-premier-aviation-job-fair-aveos.html
making reference to the Air Canada contract.
Which was followed up with Air Canada Jazz in June this year (obviously on the cards from the parent AC)

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/westjet-affirms-maintenance-program-83483.aspx


''''Premier Aviation looks to hire airframe technicians - Montreal Gazette
www.montrealgazette.com/Premier+Aviation+looks...airframe.../story.html
Jan 21, 2013 - People hired on contract at Premier Aviation have told The Gazette they ... Air Canada, he added, has also picked up some employees for daily ...'''' this is the link but like many others no longer exists and there is no cache !!!!

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Premier+Aviation+looks+hire+airframe+technicians/7851260/story.html

 

[Blomquist]

Blomquist, IMO, when portraying an event in relevance to a time period, there's a big difference between 3 months and 6 months. There's no need for exaggeration when the facts have been published many times, especially with seasoned posters and IMO it's certainly not semantics. MOO

We shall have to agree to differ on this one.... which facts are you referring to that have been published many times? The PA contracts were posted many times too....but I dont mind looking it up....if you could please provide the links to what you are saying here I would appreciate it too TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMO, WM did know what he was doing, WM was extremely familiar with CAR's, WM did have enough capital and WM did have the ability to make his MRO a huge success. WM's biggest mistake is that he didn't have a son that shared his vision. JMHO.

rsbm

I guess I have a rather simplistic question.

If DM and WM never shared the vision at any time, and if WM had everything it took to make the MRO a huge success, then why didn't he just do it, instead of even involving a son who didn't share that vision? After all, he knew back when Dellen was 21 that he wanted to start a helicoptor business.

When Dellen was 21, Wayne told the Toronto Star his son wanted to start a helicopter business.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/story/2013/05/13/f-dellen-millard-profile-bosma-case.html

I don't think it's a parent's mistake when a child doesn't share the same dream. I do, however, think it's a mistake to push a child into pursuing your dream instead of his/her own.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I did say it was JMO....but my opinion is based on what I have read. Many posts were made with multiple links to the contracts that PA had obtained. But I will find one for you to save you the trouble of looking them up on this site and to show you how I formed my opinion............

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/28/wdr-premier-aviation-job-fair-aveos.html
making reference to the Air Canada contract.
Which was followed up with Air Canada Jazz in June this year (obviously on the cards from the parent AC)

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/westjet-affirms-maintenance-program-83483.aspx


''''Premier Aviation looks to hire airframe technicians - Montreal Gazette
www.montrealgazette.com/Premier+Aviation+looks...airframe.../story.html
Jan 21, 2013 - People hired on contract at Premier Aviation have told The Gazette they ... Air Canada, he added, has also picked up some employees for daily ...'''' this is the link but like many others no longer exists and there is no cache !!!!

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Premier+Aviation+looks+hire+airframe+technicians/7851260/story.html

It's the Quebec links that are now missing? Interesting....

JMO

 

[Carli]

Juballee, you are confusing me! 6 months? What are we talking about? WM died the end of November-and DM cancelled the MRO in February..that's 3 months..DM was dead 3 months later..or 6 months after WM died. Where are we coming up with the 6 months you're talking about?

What? DM is dead?????

 

[MsSherlock]

We shall have to agree to differ on this one.... which facts are you referring to that have been published many times? The PA contracts were posted many times too....but I dont mind looking it up....if you could please provide the links to what you are saying here I would appreciate it too TIA

No problem <modsnip> I've also included reference to TC's approval of the MRO

On Nov. 1, 2012, Transport Canada approved Millardair to maintain jetliner components such as engines. Wayne Millard died a few weeks later in an apparent suicide that homicide detectives are now investigating.
(same link as below) http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/688568/waterloo-region-spent-5-4m-on-millardair/

WM's death: Nov 30-memorial Dec 15

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a#fbLoggedOut

"Last fall, Millardair hired several mechanics and other staff in preparation for launching its aircraft repair and maintenance business, according to an employee at another company based at the Waterloo airport. However, after Wayne&#8217;s death the workers were laid off and neighbours spotted little activity at Millardair&#8217;s new hangar."

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...-of-tim-bosma/article11907415/?service=mobile

"Saying it had ceased operations, Millardair asked Transport Canada to cancel its jetliner maintenance certificate Feb. 15."

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/688568/waterloo-region-spent-5-4m-on-millardair/

That's 106 days from start to finish of the MRO-3 1/2 months and 2 1/2 months from the death of WM. 6 months would be an exaggeration by 100% and is actually closer to the time period between the death of WM and the death of TB.

 

[MsSherlock]

What? DM is dead?????

Sorry!! just a little typo- thanks Carli-should be TB

 

[skatergirl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MsSherlock View Post
Blomquist, IMO it is speculation by a few sleuthers that this was happening. Can you please provide a link to substantiate your claim that "the contracts were sailing into the hands of PA"

I did say it was JMO....but my opinion is based on what I have read. Many posts were made with multiple links to the contracts that PA had obtained. But I will find one for you to save you the trouble of looking them up on this site and to show you how I formed my opinion............

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/28/wdr-premier-aviation-job-fair-aveos.html
making reference to the Air Canada contract.
Which was followed up with Air Canada Jazz in June this year (obviously on the cards from the parent AC)

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/forums/westjet-affirms-maintenance-program-83483.aspx


''''Premier Aviation looks to hire airframe technicians - Montreal Gazette
www.montrealgazette.com/Premier+Aviation+looks...airframe.../story.html
Jan 21, 2013 - People hired on contract at Premier Aviation have told The Gazette they ... Air Canada, he added, has also picked up some employees for daily ...'''' this is the link but like many others no longer exists and there is no cache !!!!

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Premier+Aviation+looks+hire+airframe+technicians/7851260/story.html

So, the question here was about contracts that PA was getting, over Millardair, but reading the quoted links...

In the first link all that is referenced is the fact that the Windsor MRO is hiring experienced workers in the maintenance field. No mention of contracts with any airlines.

And in the second link is reference to the fact that maintenance for NG aircraft CONTINUES to be performed by PA. No mention of this contract ever having had association with Millardair.

IMO, this whole suggestion of Windsor MRO getting contracts that ought to have been secured by AS for Millardair, just because they are two cities within a relatively close distance of each other, both with new hangers for the purpose of aircraft maintenance has a feel of 'six degrees of separation'

 

[dizzy1]

Can you provide some links to that please...not the obit as that was just a request.....just anything that tells of the EG Fund and any relevant fundraisers etc that DM may have been involved in....TIA

Sorry BQ, I can't provide a link, as it seems this may be another vision of WM's that didn't come to fruition (which is what I was trying to imply, but I may not have been clear on). Of course, this is MOO. :seeya::moo:

 

[Juballee]

Juballee, you are confusing me! 6 months? What are we talking about? WM died the end of November-and DM cancelled the MRO in February..that's 3 months..DM was dead 3 months later..or 6 months after WM died. Where are we coming up with the 6 months you're talking about?

Sorry, my mistake, I meant that it was 6 months of trying when I was thinking of the 3 months with the MRO and the 3 months of trying to rent it out before he was arrested.

 

[Snoofo]

I forgot to update.
There are 3 parcels of land that make up the airport in Waterloo. I searched the main parcel and while there were several other notices of lease of title of other hangars, no Millard co. name that I could rdcognize came up. Very odd. I dont know if it was overlooked but IMO a bad move.

 

[MsSherlock]

I forgot to update.
There are 3 parcels of land that make up the airport in Waterloo. I searched the main parcel and while there were several other notices of lease of title of other hangars, no Millard co. name that I could rdcognize came up. Very odd. I dont know if it was overlooked but IMO a bad move.

Snoofo, I don't know if I'd read that much into that. IMO, it would make total sense for there to be a buffer company (numbered) between Millardair and the Airport. A sublease contract between 2 privately held companies would be pretty difficult to get info on, especially if they're owned by the same people. JMHO

 

[Snoofo]

Snoofo, I don't know if I'd read that much into that. IMO, it would make total sense for there to be a buffer company (numbered) between Millardair and the Airport. A sublease contract between 2 privately held companies would be pretty difficult to get info on, especially if they're owned by the same people. JMHO

I know but I did look at the possible "head lease" notices themselves and compared names and addresses for service of registered lessees with existing tenants on airport authority website. No dice. Plus I doubt they subleased a 50 year lease and I think WM negotiated directly with airport. Will look for link.

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[Carli]

I know but I did look at the possible "head lease" notices themselves and compared names and addresses for service of registered lessees with existing tenants on airport authority website. No dice. Plus I doubt they subleased a 50 year lease and I think WM negotiated directly with airport. Will look for link.

Best I can find Snoof is the reference in http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/674559/dellen-millards-hangar-from-jetliners-to-police-tape/

The farm's realtor, Nicholson, is describing his experience with DM and his father. Presumably the references to "them" include both DM and WM:

"Nicholson learned that the family was relocating its aviation business from Toronto to the regional airport.

“I often met them at the airport, because they were negotiating at the same time with the management (at the airport) to get a piece of land to build a hangar on,” he recalls.

The Millards would meet with Nicholson at the airport café and afterward meet with others, including airport manager Chris Wood, to discuss hangar plans.

BBM

 

[Snoofo]

Best I can find Snoof is the reference in http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/674559/dellen-millards-hangar-from-jetliners-to-police-tape/

The farm's realtor, Nicholson, is describing his experience with DM and his father. Presumably the references to "them" include both DM and WM:

"Nicholson learned that the family was relocating its aviation business from Toronto to the regional airport.

“I often met them at the airport, because they were negotiating at the same time with the management (at the airport) to get a piece of land to build a hangar on,” he recalls.

The Millards would meet with Nicholson at the airport café and afterward meet with others, including airport manager Chris Wood, to discuss hangar plans.

BBM

Nice, Carli. Thanks. Thats the one that led me to believe the lease was direct with airport and not via a tenant.


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[MsSherlock]

307 Riverside 6 plex is now for sale for 4.1 million
http://www.remax.ca/on/toronto-real-estate/na-307-riverside-dr-treb_w2715176-lst

 

[dizzy1]

307 Riverside 6 plex is now for sale for 4.1 million
http://www.remax.ca/on/toronto-real-estate/na-307-riverside-dr-treb_w2715176-lst

Thanks MsS! I also found this by AnnB, not sure if it's been posted in another thread yet:

Dellen Millard’s mother sells more of his properties

Dellen Millard’s mother has sold the Distillery district condo her son bought the day after Tim Bosma, the man he is a accused of murdering, disappeared.

The rental property looks to be in disrepair:

Burns — who was also put in charge at the family companies Millard Holdings and Millard Properties in May — has listed a rental property on Riverside Drive for sale as well. The asking price is $4.1 million including three land parcels. When visited in July, the property looked like it was not being kept up. A basement window was broken in and mail for previous tenants, including one of Millard’s cousins, was piled high in the foyer.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/08/dellen-millards-mother-sells-more-of-his-properties.html

 

[MsSherlock]

Thanks MsS! I also found this by AnnB, not sure if it's been posted in another thread yet:





The rental property looks to be in disrepair:


http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/08/dellen-millards-mother-sells-more-of-his-properties.html

Thanks Dizzy! IMO, this is getting more confusing everyday. Appears that DM did OK on the condo. IMHO, it appears to be a massive liquidation of assets, especially if DM is expecting to be found innocent. I can see freeing up a million or two. Listing a few and seeing which one sells first, but with the Distillery Condo & Maple Gate sold and now the 6 plex just coming on the market, IMO, it sure looks like a complete divesting of Real Estate holdings. MOO

 

[Snoofo]

Thanks Dizzy! IMO, this is getting more confusing everyday. Appears that DM did OK on the condo. IMHO, it appears to be a massive liquidation of assets, especially if DM is expecting to be found innocent. I can see freeing up a million or two. Listing a few and seeing which one sells first, but with the Distillery Condo & Maple Gate sold and now the 6 plex just coming on the market, IMO, it sure looks like a complete divesting of Real Estate holdings. MOO

It is also possible she is selling because she has absolutely no interest in taking care of them. The tenants may have stopped paying rent after DMs arrest. Or maybe they didnt know where to direct payment.

Who is to say MB doesn't spend half her time in France with her brother's family and doesn't want to be held back by property management? Goodness knows she must have enough on her mind.

The lower basement window may have been kicked in after the arrest. And the mail that hasn't been dealt with would also be due to nobody managing the property since May, IMHO.