Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #9

[close_enough]

I guess we'll have to wait for the real document then. I wish we could see the real pregnancy test on Maria.

same here...i'm curious now as to what kind of pregnancy test was given...urine or blood...probably doesn't really matter, but i'm still curious...

 

[close_enough]

It could be .... but I seem to remember the neighbor, Alander, when asked by the interviewer if he thought it was strange that someone would be painting the inside of their garage, that he agreed it was unusual.

actually i don't find that unusual....i know people that have painted their garage before...course none of them was a murder suspect

 

[FlowerChild]

8 Months pregnant on Dec 14th means that the "rape/assault/encounter" that Maria reported to the base official(s) as a rape by CL in mid-April resulted in a pregnancy. If DNA proves CL the Father of little Gabriel/Gabrielle (which I have no-doubt it will - he killed her because HE KNEW the baby was his) the he obviously DID have sex with Maria at least once.

Why did CL kill Maria??? Because CL knew he was about to beach his canoe WAY UP the proverbial creek without a paddle.

1 He told Xtina AND the MC investigators that HE DID NOT have sex with Maria (consensual or otherwise). He was 30 days away (or less) from being proved a liar.

2 I think he was PO'd because Maria had decided to KEEP THE BABY. The baby was going to be right there on base in his face (and his wife's and his friend's faces) every day, proving he lied and perhaps even committed rape. He was going to have to pay 18 years of child support too - seems like a LOT of $$$ for a LONG TIME when you are age 21 with another child and a wife to support already on one salary.

3 Due to above, his wife was probably going to divorce him and if the rape charge stuck the USMC was likely going to give him a dishonorable discharge and he'd have no job, no income, a criminal record and a maybe even a SEX OFFENDER status. Again, he is only 21 - it had to seem like the end of the world to him. He's be failing HIS family too!

It isn't a mystery TO ME why CL killed Maria and the baby. He saw it as a "me or her" situation. He was trapped by his own actions and by his own words.

When he did the "alleged rape(s)" he didn't think Maria would report him - and even if she did he was sure that they would NOT believe her word over that of a "stellar" marine with a wife and family. So, knowing that she did NOT have a rape kit done after the rapes - when questioned he said "I didn't have sex with her".

Then things start going downhill....during his "alleged rape(s)"he "forgot" his condoms and made a baby with Maria. Maria, is CATHOLIC so instead of doing what 99% of rape victims do and have an abortion, she decides to HAVE the baby...but give it up for adoption. CL feels that he is "off the hook" - well at least mostly. To make sure Maria stays "in line" he arranges for Maria to endure constant harassment and verbal abuse (and ugly gossip) courtesy his friends, Xtina's friends and the other Marines in his and Maria's "unit". And he sees Maria is cracking under the pressure, she is sick a lot, she even has to move off base, things are so bad.

So, at this point CL had to be feeling pretty certain Maria would recant her rape accusations AND the paternity allegations against him. She even has an official meetings with the the investigators - where she eventually says CL is NOT her baby's father. BUT, even the still maintains he raped her. BUT charges are NOT filed against CL - the investigators say they will wait on the birth to get DNA to prove if CL even had consensual sex with Maria. CL still feels pretty sure he has dodged the bullet.

And then - somewhere in the 1st couple of weeks in December, Maria has a change of heart. She WANTS HER BABY - even if it will be hard, she wants to keep her baby. She starts telling her friends, maybe even Durham that she will keep her baby. Word travels back to CL - and since he is FORBIDDEN to have contact with Maria due to her restraining order (which she renewed in November) he has to figure out some way to FORCE her to talk to him so he can convince her to give the baby up, recant her rape charges and deny the investigators the baby DNA so as to take him off the paternity hook. Maybe he even gets $5000 to pay her off. Since he LIED to Xtina he has to get Maria to meet with him somehow on the afternoon of the 14th OFF BASE, while Xtina is at the party - maybe his unit buddies even promise to keep Xtina there while he "talks" to Maria in private....at HIS HOME???

CL's Plan, well it doesn't work. That "the plan didn't work" IS what he said that Maria said to HIM before she allegedly committed suicide at his house ... and well ... we all know the "rest of the story" now.

My Opinion

 

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok we are a Army family here (HOOAH!) and the inside joke is this.. Marines aren't known for their brains! :crazy: (More or less they are known for their strength.) Of course we are all brothers & sisters in arms so I won't knock them it's just little inside jokes all the diff. branches have for each other! was a personal clerk so ummm... I guess he had good typing skills if anything. :waitasec:

He's wife was a Marine, which in my mind, she's fairly intelligent, right??
So, using her intelligence she would ask the right questions. If she believed the answers, then love is blind!

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I know there are a few on here who are associated with the Marines so I want to ask you if a Lance CPL out ranks a CPL? It does in the Army. The marines are saying was her superior but how can that be if she was a lance cpl and he was just a cpl? :waitasec:

 

[STEADFAST]

FC, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm in total agreement with your analysis of the situation between Maria and Laurean. The only place I think differently is that I think he made up the part about her saying "the plan didn't work." I think he wanted investigators to think that she meant that her plan to frame him for her rape didn't work and so she killed herself, and I think he thought burning the body would destroy all DNA evidence.

I'm sure he'd convinced his wife and everyone that Maria had some nefarious plan to smear him or rope him into marrying her or something. It's so incredibly sad that everyone believed him.

 

[STEADFAST]

I know there are a few on here who are associated with the Marines so I want to ask you if a Lance CPL out ranks a CPL? It does in the Army. The marines are saying was her superior but how can that be if she was a lance cpl and he was just a cpl? :waitasec:

The Army doesn't have lance corporals. A Marine lance corporal is equivalent to an Army PFC (private first class.) A Marine corporal is equivalent to both an Army corporal and an Army specialist. In both services, the rank above corporal is sergeant.

 

[dottierainbow]

Sounds plausible Flowerchild. I think you may be on to something here. I didn't agree with you on Anna Nicole but I think you are on the mark on this one. I'm still out on if Cesar Laurean's wife was in on it or not.

 

[Littledeer]

Well I'm baaaaaaaaaack. Hope no one needed any scratching while I was gone! LOL

whew.......you guys been busy posting! Lots to read, and I'm only up to date on this thread.

The video shot of CL at the ATM is one of the few that I have seen that POSITIVELY identifies who it is. Did anyone notice that he is wearing what appears to be the same shirt that was in the picture of him and his daughter? Also, his tatto is very visible in the ATM pic. Since, his sightings have been far and few between, I am guessing he has been wearing long sleeve shirts at all times to hide tha tatoo!!!

I was shocked to read that the autopsy tests (supposedly) revealed the baby was a girl. This doesn't make much sense if Maria was told it was a boy based on a sonogram. If I'm not mistaken, my daughter would usually get a sonogram every month or two?? If Maria's last appointment that she attended was in November (she did not show up for her December app't.), and a sonogram was done, I would think it would cleary define if it was a boy or girl at that time. But then, I have heard where a Doctor said boy, and it was a girl, and vice versa.

I am still leaning towards the involvement of Christine. There is Just too much that is unaccounted for where Christine was during the time frame. I had made a big issue about the play set being in the front yard. I see some of you are picking up on that now.

Got more to say, but don't want to overwhelm you all.

 

[golfmom]

I think that the scenario Flowerchild came up with is plausible. Keep in mind too that he had extra pressure on him trying to keep a lid on his wife (regardless of her involvement.)

JMO, but I'm leaning more and more into Christina's involvement in both murder and clean-up. UNLESS she was away that entire weekend. That Cesar bought the paint on the 16th is pretty damning ... how did she miss the blood throughout the house? How did she miss Maria's car when even the neighbors noticed it?

 

[believe09]

Christina's story is starting to stretch the bounds of reality-it seems clear that Maria was dead on 12/14 or 12/15. Cesar did not buy the stuff needed to bury her and clean up until 12/16-wife says she spent the day into part of the evening on 12/14 at a Christmas party-seems pretty clear she came home to find her house a bloody mess, and clearly something was in the garage other than the power tools. You think he told her I cut myself shaving? and by the way...don't go in the garage, there is a dead rat in there....THEN two or three days later he busily pulled down fencing and burned Maria and his child (imo) while what, his wife was sleeping??? Hmmmmmmm

 

[Littledeer]

I can see where Maria would change her mind about giving the baby up for adoption.

This very same scenario happened to me. I was 20 when I got pregnant and 21 when I gave birth. I lived in a home for unwed mothers for 4 months prior to giving birth.

When you are this young, and you are basically on your own with a life altering decision to make, it is a very lonely and frightening place to be.

If Maria decided to keep the baby, why didn't she tell one of her siblings and ask them for some help? (i.e. money, etc.) I would have done that before I went to the "father" of the baby. Especially, I would not have gone to the father if I had made rape charge(s) against him and had been physically threatened by either him or his friends.

Is there was a policy in the Marines, that a "single mother" cannot be a Marine? Would Maria have been given either a honorable discharge or a dishonorable discharge if she did keep the baby?

This case has more freaking questions than any other that I've seen!

 

[golfmom]

I would think another consideration in the decision to give the baby up for adoption is that Maria herself is adopted. Did she wonder what her life would have been like if she was able to stay with her bio-mom? Would that have influenced her decision?

 

[Littledeer]

golfmom:

I am also adopted. I told this story earlier but maybe you missed it.

So both Maria and I had two perspectives in making the decision on whether to keep our baby or put our baby up for adoption.

i.e. As an adoptee, we knew that we were lucky to have been adopted by loving parents and led a good life because of that adoption. (I am presuming this for Maria, for me it was a fact).

Also, yes, I am sure that like me, Maria thought more and more of her bioloigical mom during her pregnancy. Thoughts of why didn't Mom want me, etc. would have crossed her mind. We both had a pretty good idea of what our baby would be thinking as she/he grew up as we had already lived those thoughts.

It is very hard to make this decision when you have lived both sides of the fence. On one hand, you know that adoption is good, on the other hand, you know what your child will be thinking.

I hope this makes sense. It is hard to explain unless you have gone through it yourself.

 

[Ticamom]

I can see where Maria would change her mind about giving the baby up for adoption.

This very same scenario happened to me. I was 20 when I got pregnant and 21 when I gave birth. I lived in a home for unwed mothers for 4 months prior to giving birth.

When you are this young, and you are basically on your own with a life altering decision to make, it is a very lonely and frightening place to be.

If Maria decided to keep the baby, why didn't she tell one of her siblings and ask them for some help? (i.e. money, etc.) I would have done that before I went to the "father" of the baby. Especially, I would not have gone to the father if I had made rape charge(s) against him and had been physically threatened by either him or his friends.

Is there was a policy in the Marines, that a "single mother" cannot be a Marine? Would Maria have been given either a honorable discharge or a dishonorable discharge if she did keep the baby?

This case has more freaking questions than any other that I've seen!

Hi littledeer. Did ya get your antler back in place ?

I know about the questions... I have so many it makes my head spin and I have had trouble sleeping these past two weeks. Gosh, only two weeks ? It seems much longer.


I honestly can't imagine Maria going to the house of her own free will. Something tells me she was abducted on her way home and coerced or fooled into going to his house, maybe even forced to go. Maybe he did want to try to talk her out of it and when she responded differently than he wanted, he lost it and grew violent and attacked her with the crowbar. Or maybe he had planned to kill her to silence her. I don't know , I'm starting to get very stressed out waiting for answers. :behindbar

 

[Littledeer]

Tica:

LOL, yep antler back in place!! I got tired of the orange though (hunting season is over with), so painted them blue. My favorite color!

My stress level to this case keeps rising on the same level as my stress level on DP's! Pretty soon, I am going to have to go see the vet for some relaxants!!! (and I don't mean the poop kind either!)

 

[Littledeer]

I can't see Maria going to CL's house on her own either!!

There is a big piece of the puzzle missing here............

 

[believe09]

His wife was the lure I bet...she probably told Maria she wanted to have some questions answered, went off to her Christmas Party and left hubby lying in wait for Maria. IMO.

 

[golfmom]

golfmom:

I am also adopted. I told this story earlier but maybe you missed it.

So both Maria and I had two perspectives in making the decision on whether to keep our baby or put our baby up for adoption.

i.e. As an adoptee, we knew that we were lucky to have been adopted by loving parents and led a good life because of that adoption. (I am presuming this for Maria, for me it was a fact).

Also, yes, I am sure that like me, Maria thought more and more of her bioloigical mom during her pregnancy. Thoughts of why didn't Mom want me, etc. would have crossed her mind. We both had a pretty good idea of what our baby would be thinking as she/he grew up as we had already lived those thoughts.

It is very hard to make this decision when you have lived both sides of the fence. On one hand, you know that adoption is good, on the other hand, you know what your child will be thinking.

I hope this makes sense. It is hard to explain unless you have gone through it yourself.

I did miss your original post, thank you for sharing! :blowkiss:

I think you explained the adopted / adoptee struggle perfectly. I just think that making a decision about giving a child for adoption for anyone is an emotional struggle, then double it for a woman who was adopted. Even if her childhood was loving and happy, I'm SURE that her own adoption was weighing on her mind and a factor in whatever decision she made.

 

[Littledeer]

There is no doubt in my mind that her own adoption did weigh heavily on her mind. If it's true that her Mom also wanted her to give the baby up for adoption, it was even more traumatic/stressful.

Again, the same scenario happened to me. (That is why I was in a unwed mother's home).

I can tell you that today my daughter is 29 years old and has given me two beautiful grandaughters. We often talk about the what if's.........