Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #15

[Woofbark]

@Nixaeagle That brings my next question. Could LE confirm Sherill was on the phone at 11:15 or was this just by word of the friend? This I believe, but I do not believe anyone called when JK was at the house the next day.

Agreed. I don't see how LE could ever confirm who was actually on the other phone. That phone call the next day would be odd timing.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Here are two I found on my first pass. I have cropped only to stay on target at hand. As I said only Trooogrit or someone inside would know the full presentation. I have never shared it publicly. I have a good idea how info got to you but this may get you to rethink some things. I fielded questions about what it was I was missing from someone else as well.

7/18/2014
What I wanted to convey is something that I have gotten from five other people and you make of it as you will. I don't know what it is.

The assertion is that while you have done the work and have the best scenario (essentially said by all), was that you are "missing something." I have no idea what that might mean. Perhaps this is deliberate on your part. You don't need to confirm nor deny. I just wanted you to have that information.
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1/26/2017

Hurricane was mentioned but he like two others who have studied the case said that while Hurricane had worked the case hard he had missed something vital.
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Ring any bells on your sources?

Only very vaguely. The only people I can recall was “Goat” and “N”. I don’t remember what was shared. As best as I can recall Goat mentioned you. He said that while he admired your dedication that you had missed something. He never elaborated. He claimed to have been shown the subject’s name who he tracked for 10 years and was 90% certain he was the actual perp.

If you have something else, please share it. I don’t recall a presentation. Not sure what that would be.

 

[Woofbark]

Neal Falls, Man Killed By Escort, Had Cache Of Weapons And List Of Prostitutes, Police Say | HuffPost

I have been following this case for quite a while, though I rarely post here. Since a lot of theories have been put forth, I wanted to share some of my theory on what MAY have happened. Before I start, I will add that I am now retired, but I did work in the criminal justice field for 37 years (police officer, Probation officer, parole officer and pretrial services). However, I have never seen a case quite like this one.

After reading all I could find on the case and watching all the videos, podcasts and documentaries, I believe that the women were abducted and subsequently killed by a serial killer who set out that night looking for a victim or victims. He was prepared to abduct and may have had the tools with him to do the job-something like Neal Falls had with him (see the link above). He may or may not have known one, two or all three of the women. While searching for potential victims, he may have seen seen Suzie and/or Stacy as they drove to Suzie's home after leaving the party. He also may have been someone who knew one of the women and was stalking them in particular that night. He also may have known one or more of the women and they may not have known him. I think he simply followed them at a distance where they didn't detect him. After they got inside the home, he may have used a ruse (gas company official, police officer impersonator, etc) of some sort to get them to open the door or he may have simply knocked on the door and they responded by opening the door enough for them to see out and he forced it open once they did. Once inside, he could have brandished a firearm and ordered them to lay down on the floor and once they did, he either handcuffed or tied them with a rope and individually loaded them in his vehicle. Somewhere in the process of loading them, the front porch cover was broken. He may or may not have had an accomplice. Some have asked how he could have controlled three women even with a gun. It would depend on how intimidating and convincing he was. Plus, you never know how you will react when a gun is pulled on you until it happens. I know this from personal experience. They may have been too scared to resist. If he had a sedan, he may have simply loaded them into the trunk of the car. Or if he had a van, he could have tied them to the seat or if he had an accomplice, he could have put them in the floor and sat on them where they would not have been visible if another vehicle pulled up beside them.

I believe the motive for all of this was sexual assault and a serial killer. He was looking for women to rape and to kill. They were driven to a different location where the assault and probably the murder occurred. The bodies were disposed of in a place where they wouldn't be found. The perp or perps didn't want to take a chance on the women identifying them so they were killed. Again, I think the killer had planned to do all of this. I am uncertain if the three victims were his target or if he was just on the prowl for a victim and he saw them as they drove toward Delmarr.

@ Missouri Mule: I believe there is a good chance of your theory of a Florida connection is correct.

Again, all of this is just my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. I always welcome constructive criticism.

Dayle Hinman, FBI profiler, had mentioned on television that sometimes the guilty person will interject themselves into an investigation. They will even seem helpful all in an effort to keep an eye on where the investigation is going. Do you believe it's possible that anyone did that during the start of this case?

 

[cherrymeg]

Only very vaguely. The only people I can recall was “Goat” and “N”. I don’t remember what was shared. As best as I can recall Goat mentioned you. He said that while he admired your dedication that you had missed something. He never elaborated. He claimed to have been shown the subject’s name who he tracked for 10 years and was 90% certain he was the actual perp.

If you have something else, please share it. I don’t recall a presentation. Not sure what that would be.

Can I ask about this? Was someone claiming to know what happened but refused to reveal details? So this guy was leaving you and Hurricane hints but wouldn't help with research. Do you think he was serious?

 

[Missouri Mule]

Can I ask about this? Was someone claiming to know what happened but refused to reveal details? So this guy was leaving you and Hurricane hints but wouldn't help with research. Do you think he was serious?

I honestly don’t recall. I’ll need to see the rest.

As far as I know my main source back then was “Goat” who previously referred to himself as “Someone Close to LE.” I always found him forthcoming but he never would give up the name. I do believe he was honest. He was always very cordial. We exchanged about 300 private messages.

I absolutely believe he was serious but he always wanted any other names I might have. This throws doubt on his information but his source was much higher up the food chain.

I don’t know what if any relationship he had with Hurricane. I assumed he knew more but he never spelled it out.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Dayle Hinman, FBI profiler, had mentioned on television that sometimes the guilty person will interject themselves into an investigation. They will even seem helpful all in an effort to keep an eye on where the investigation is going. Do you believe it's possible that anyone did that during the start of this case?

May I interject myself into this? I won’t name anyone but such a person, whether innocent or otherwise, has from the very beginning done exactly this. I know that to be a fact.

I don’t know the genesis of his interest in the case. We only know that Johnny Recla was hanging around the crime scene. His brother was one of the crypt vandals. I personally don’t believe they were involved. What seemed odd to others was that he said if the cops didn’t solve it someone might get killed. I don’t know if that is significant but it does seem somewhat interesting.

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

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The statement made by the person who said "the FBI couldn't even solve it" is also a statement that is not necessarily true. No matter what, the FBI cannot work the case with full resources unless SPD gives up the case to them. They can ask for assistance but only share what they want to share with them. It's SPD's case. Not the FBI's. Agent Wright assisted only a few weeks. MOCIC/RISS/NCMEC/etc. and others assisted in the case as well. SPD owns it and there's no telling if the other agency's "have it solved" or have the ability to solve it.

Mother of missing woman: Don't call it an anniversary

Janis McMcall knows better. Look what she said about the investigation.


"I think sometimes they came and they didn't check their egos at the door," McCall said

She said she still believes the organizations haven't shared all their information about the three missing women with each other.

McCall recalled how early in the investigation, the highway patrol volunteered to bring a "whole truckload of computers" down to help with the investigation, but the Springfield Police Department declined.

Computers would have been much more effective at tracking information than the 3x5-inch note cards used by police, McCall said.

 

[Woofbark]

May I interject myself into this? I won’t name anyone but such a person, whether innocent or otherwise, has from the very beginning done exactly this. I know that to be a fact.

I don’t know the genesis of his interest in the case. We only know that Johnny Recla was hanging around the crime scene. His brother was one of the crypt vandals. I personally don’t believe they were involved. What seemed odd to others was that he said if the cops didn’t solve it someone might get killed. I don’t know if that is significant but it does seem somewhat interesting.

You're right. That is very interesting. It's also a very strange thing for someone to say.

 

[Boston Corbett]

The tomb robbers theory holds that, while they themselves were too small change to do the deed, they maybe, by blood or prior activities, were related to higher-ups in the criminal echelon, who may have worried Suzie might know, and possibly turn over, a little too much information if she talked more to the cops and/or testified? That theory?

 

[Alfonsina Storni]

May I interject myself into this? I won’t name anyone but such a person, whether innocent or otherwise, has from the very beginning done exactly this. I know that to be a fact.

I don’t know the genesis of his interest in the case. We only know that Johnny Recla was hanging around the crime scene. His brother was one of the crypt vandals. I personally don’t believe they were involved. What seemed odd to others was that he said if the cops didn’t solve it someone might get killed. I don’t know if that is significant but it does seem somewhat interesting.

Wasn´t Johny Recla a friend of Mike Henson? Is the person that tries to interject in the investigation a person of interest, suspect or a witness? Has that person participated in this forum or in others?

 

[arc anjil]

If she called her mother, perhaps that's why someone erased the phone messages. That phone message either by the conversation or the background noise, may have revealed something that someone else did not want shared. The girl's actual location perhaps? Is it possible that they never really left the location that were calling from? You are also right about the questionable timeline.

Sorry, I'm confused.

Stacy called her mother to let her know she was not going to drive to Branson that night and that she would stay at Janelle's.

Are you saying Janis McCall erased phone messages on her phone?

Help me out here. Thanks.

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The June 10 NL that says Janelle called her mother to tell her the girls would not go to Branson that night.

The first post of the thread 'Basic Information' states Stacy called her mom, no citation, but says the info was taken from police reports.

So it looks like Janelle and Stacy each called their respective mothers. Most probably from the Joy house.

 

[Nixaeagle]

A young male friend of the girls has given various accounts of the
events he recalls between 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. on June 7. He was one
of those who entered Levitt's house early in the day apparently
looking for the women. "We pretty well cleared all that up,"
Worsham said of the friend's accounts. "He was simply confused on
some times as to where he was." End quote.N-L 8-3-92.

 

[asyousay]

A young male friend of the girls has given various accounts of the
events he recalls between 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. on June 7. He was one
of those who entered Levitt's house early in the day apparently
looking for the women. "We pretty well cleared all that up,"
Worsham said of the friend's accounts. "He was simply confused on
some times as to where he was." End quote.N-L 8-3-92.

This is MH right?

so him and Janelle were both lying IMO

 

[Nixaeagle]

This is MH right?

so him and Janelle were both lying IMO

It is . Pretty well , isn’t definitive . And how do you not know know where you were, esp on such a significant day . I know where I was.

 

[Boston Corbett]

Any context about named (or nicknamed) individuals - scorecards, timelines, etc. etc. - would be useful to newbies and others attempting to follow along at home. Thanks for what's here too.

 

[Woofbark]

No

Sorry, I'm confused.

Stacy called her mother to let her know she was not going to drive to Branson that night and that she would stay at Janelle's.

Are you saying Janis McCall erased phone messages on her phone?

Help me out here. Thanks.

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The June 10 NL that says Janelle called her mother to tell her the girls would not go to Branson that night.

The first post of the thread 'Basic Information' states Stacy called her mom, no citation, but says the info was taken from police reports.

So it looks like Janelle and Stacy each called their respective mothers. Most probably from the Joy house.

No, I'm only mentioning messages erased from the house on Delmar.

 

[Betty P]

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Mother of missing woman: Don't call it an anniversary

Janis McMcall knows better. Look what she said about the investigation.


"I think sometimes they came and they didn't check their egos at the door," McCall said

She said she still believes the organizations haven't shared all their information about the three missing women with each other.

McCall recalled how early in the investigation, the highway patrol volunteered to bring a "whole truckload of computers" down to help with the investigation, but the Springfield Police Department declined.

Computers would have been much more effective at tracking information than the 3x5-inch note cards used by police, McCall said.

I think this was one of the relevant events that made me believe the case needs to be completely re-investigated by another LE agency, using all of the info and evidence the SPD has. Hiding information from the FBI, while not uncommon, never helps solve a case, or at least not that I'm aware of.

 

[lisaNYC]

Was the story about Janelle crying in the backseat of a truck on the day of the disappearance a rumor or was it in the newspaper (which can also be a rumor)?

 

[arc anjil]

Was the story about Janelle crying in the backseat of a truck on the day of the disappearance a rumor or was it in the newspaper (which can also be a rumor)?

I remember that, too. At first I thought it was Janelle being upset that her friends took off without her (assuming that Janelle considered herself the alpha girl in that relationship. She seems like it...).

 

[Sillybilly]

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