MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #12

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I personally, with my relatively limited knowledge of circumstances, have frankly a pretty significantly negative feeling about LE in this case. I really do. I can think of quite a few things that LE could do that would help the public, and they seem really intent on Not doing Anything that will help as far as Public Knowledge. As if, they think they need to protect the case from the public, but, the way they're going about it; that's nonsense. Especially at this point! I frankly somewhat presume at this point, that they'd be afraid to let the public know just how much they don't know; so, they're hiding as if they can't reveal anything. I think that protecting a prosecution at this point is a false curtain. They should get any information to the public that may help, and, if it's concluded definitively, who is responsible, then I suspect that they'd be able to prosecute. Hell, if it's concluded definitively who's responsible, they may be dead!
The logic in your posts lead me to believe that you are moving in a conspiracy direction.

But, I suppose you could be suggesting that le want to solve the case but are so incompetent that they don't want to give the public any info revealing their lack of proof.
 
Also, the fire was investigated. My understanding from something I read, is that, it's said to have been inconclusive as to how it started, but, it's believed to have been electrical. Fire investigators are pretty hard to fool!


Inconclusive is not a clean bill of health
 
The logic in your posts lead me to believe that you are moving in a conspiracy direction.

But, I suppose you could be suggesting that le want to solve the case but are so incompetent that they don't want to give the public any info revealing their lack of proof.

BCA, FBI and locals. All incompetent. A little hard to believe.
 
I am not in law enforcement but have lived primarily in small and mid-sized cities. Police officers are my friends. While some of the younger ones can periodically go on power trips, they are an extremely hard-working and underpaid group.

Did they do everything right? No. But Kevin made this a very difficult case that night.
 
8 brothers and sisters, wow. That is alot of boxed up boots, coats, nylons to choose from.
 
While you may be correct about advances in technology, I, for one, am tired of hearing this defense of LE. Technology has really, really improved. IMO if something was to be found, it would already have been found.

In the late 1800's, the US patent office was going to close as there was nothing left to invent.

Why is LE holding on to the items they have? We only know about the umbrella stand, chest, and memorabilia, because that is all the POI remembers was kept by LE.

LE likes to collect stuff and keep it because.......
 
The logic in your posts lead me to believe that you are moving in a conspiracy direction.

But, I suppose you could be suggesting that le want to solve the case but are so incompetent that they don't want to give the public any info revealing their lack of proof.

Look, I really can't understand what you're reading that is leading you to 'conclusions' about something that I said; but, to this point, you're analyzing things into my posts, that are simply just not there.

I can't imagine what is causing this; but, I'd just as soon, you would not keep making inappropriate, inaccurate comments about my posts, making me feel that I have to defend myself from something that I have never said in the first place.

Maybe I could explain it to you better, but frankly, at this point, I'm afraid that you'd twist that into something it's not. It's really not fair to me to have to try to defend myself against something that I never said in the first place.

Frankly, I don't know why you are concerning yourself with my posts in the first place; if you don't care for my comment(s); that's fine; they're not directed at you; simply ignore them and concentrate on your own posts. A number of my posts have been appreciated by other board members; if you have disagreement with something I, or anyone else posts, it's not really your place to cause trouble for someone else, and to mis-quote and make inaccurate statements concerning someone else's post that is not your concern in the first place.

Your first post to me, started out saying that you don't want to be disagreeable, then you went on to accuse me of several things of which I have absolutely nothing to do with.
 
I am not in law enforcement but have lived primarily in small and mid-sized cities. Police officers are my friends. While some of the younger ones can periodically go on power trips, they are an extremely hard-working and underpaid group.

Did they do everything right? No. But Kevin made this a very difficult case that night.

Was it Kevin that failed to secure the crime scene? He didn't know what the crime was, or where the crime scene was until later. Police instead were stationed to escort the Wetterlings the last mile home, which is rather odd in itself. I think they knew the way home.

Also, Kevin gave his name to a police officer that night.
 
Look, I really can't understand what you're reading that is leading you to 'conclusions' about something that I said; but, to this point, you're analyzing things into my posts, that are simply just not there.

I can't imagine what is causing this; but, I'd just as soon, you would not keep making inappropriate, inaccurate comments about my posts, making me feel that I have to defend myself from something that I have never said in the first place.

Maybe I could explain it to you better, but frankly, at this point, I'm afraid that you'd twist that into something it's not. It's really not fair to me to have to try to defend myself against something that I never said in the first place.

Frankly, I don't know why you are concerning yourself with my posts in the first place; if you don't care for my comment(s); that's fine; they're not directed at you; simply ignore them and concentrate on your own posts. A number of my posts have been appreciated by other board members; if you have disagreement with something I, or anyone else posts, it's not really your place to cause trouble for someone else, and to mis-quote and make inaccurate statements concerning someone else's post that is not your concern in the first place.

Your first post to me, started out saying that you don't want to be disagreeable, then you went on to accuse me of several things of which I have absolutely nothing to do with.
I'm sorry, it was not my intent to do any of the things you say. I won't comment on your posts. Thanks for caring.
 
Was it Kevin that failed to secure the crime scene? He didn't know what the crime was, or where the crime scene was until later. Police instead were stationed to escort the Wetterlings the last mile home, which is rather odd in itself. I think they knew the way home.

Also, Kevin gave his name to a police officer that night.
Agree about the escort. The tracks dramatically changed the case for all involved.
 
Sas, sharpen the crayon and explain this for me. I've not yet had coffee.

I am counting about 17 LE vehicles in that picture. Does that happen just for the heck of it, or because they only had a hunch? They named him a POI in the same day. The questions surrounding it remain unanswered and items are still being held for further testing.
 
Gotcha. I didn't know when the picture was taken. DH is in LE. They don't gather like this based on a hunch. My only surprise is that there are no info leaks, given all those involved.
 
Frustrating to ponder that an abduction took place and police quickly arrived -- FBI immediately got involved. Choppers, dogs, forensics people, LE, three searches, interviews, blogs, TV shows, tips from the public - twenty five years later - no arrest. It's not like in other cases in which no one saw or heard anything and LE wasn't contacted until the next day -- (Negrete, Guimond, Ellison, and numerous others). Attention was immediately given to Jacob's case -- some possibly incriminating things were found but apparently not enough to make an arrest. Are we to assume that whatever potentially relevant evidence was found has been examined with state of the art technology and still nothing? What's going on?
 
Frustrating to ponder that an abduction took place and police quickly arrived -- FBI immediately got involved. Choppers, dogs, forensics people, LE, three searches, interviews, blogs, TV shows, tips from the public - twenty five years later - no arrest. It's not like in other cases in which no one saw or heard anything and LE wasn't contacted until the next day -- (Negrete, Guimond, Ellison, and numerous others). Attention was immediately given to Jacob's case -- some possibly incriminating things were found but apparently not enough to make an arrest. Are we to assume that whatever potentially relevant evidence was found has been examined with state of the art technology and still nothing? What's going on?

He's still in control, for now.

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Any locals know if they had a suspect in the Paynesville cases?

DAH was suspected early on, but the prosecution likely wanted to minimize the number of children who would have to testify, or they may not have been willing to testify. So, my opinion is that they chose to prosecute only his most recent offenses. Local police knew DAH was a bad person at least 25 years prior to 1989.
 
I'd like to throw out something for consideration. Not certain how many will be interested. Anyone not interested, or in disagreement, is fine with me, please feel free to just go on to the next post. However, for what it's worth, I really don't want to argue about it, on the board. I'm just throwing it out, take it or leave it. Thanks...

At this point, I really think that something that is really worth considering concerning the possibility of actually closing the case on Jacob Wetterling's abduction. I think, as do quite a few others that the several attacks on young boys in Paynesville in earlier years, along with the attack on Jared in Jan '89 are Very, if not Extremely Likely to have been perpetrated by the same person who abducted Jacob. I would add to that, that, even if they were not, then they were separate attacks which in themselves should be resolved. So, frankly, either way you look at it; the crimes in Paynesville are worth paying significant attention to.

My thinking is that, Jacob's case has been opened as we all know now, just over 25 years; and has been the subject of the Largest Investigation in History for the State of Minnesota. The investigation has included the FBI as well as State, Local and probably Every Level of Authority that could and/or has ever possibly be involved in any investigation. The FBI was involved from the beginning. Still Unsolved. Are we any closer now? If we are, no one knows! You could say that if it's solved 15 years from now, that, Yes, we are closer to that, than we/they were 25 years ago (chronologically). But, again, No One Knows. That's kind of a lengthy/wordy way to just Emphasize the Point.

I believe that the most likely route to closure of Jacob's case, is to treat the attacks in Paynesville and Jared's attack just as seriously, and with as much attention and effort as they are giving to Jacob's case.

Also, funny things can happen when you take a New Attitude towards something; things come to the surface, that you may have not even considered. This may seem like an odd analogy, but, there's an old saying, "Watch the pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves!" I heard it from Ross Perot, (not personally, seems to have worked for him). In this case, just a way of saying, gather all the information possible about the other cases which have previously seemed less significant, and maybe things will start falling into place.

Again, the likelihood that they're perpetrated by the same person is quite high. From what I've been able to gather, having followed this case for just about 2 months now (since the airing of Jacob's case on "The Hunt" on CNN) I am not certain just what the specific number of attacks in Paynesville is; and it kind of looks like, maybe no one, at least no one online, is certain either. Well, if they open the Paynesville cases, there's at least five, and likely more. I would like to see LE gather all possible information, I repeat and emphasize, All Possible Information on the known cases from Paynesville. In fact, if they do this, they may well find that there are other cases that had never even been reported at the time that they happened, that someone will be interested and willing to come forward now and give information on, now that they know that the cases are being looked at and being taken seriously. There's a lot more information available to LE, in researching all the circumstances involved in the numerous cases from Paynesville. Whether the victims of those crimes, may not want to come forward publically, I would expect that they would be willing to speak with authorities, if they felt that the case(s) were going to be taken seriously, and also because they'd be willing to help out in the cases of Jacob and Jared. At least most of them.

This would give investigators a lot more to go by in piecing together this guy's movements, his habits, mannerisms, vocabulary, how he dresses; get further input on the existing composite sketch; there maybe something that someone could add, such as the guy's complexion, his hair or who knows what else. True he wore a mask in many of those attacks, but, as I understand, not all of them; and maybe in some cases he wore a mask to cover his face but not his hair, maybe they could find something notable about his hair. For, instance, maybe he's redhead and Jared never noticed, because he was wearing his hat the whole time. I don't think that's too likely, I suppose that Jared would have noticed that, but, I'm just using that as an example, maybe he has thick curly hair, who knows. I would interview each victim asking for Any & Every Possible Things they can remember; anything he said, how he dressed, his shoes, his belt; possibly victims family members may remember something that the victim shared with them at the time that the victim doesn't seem to remember currently. In other words; Absolutely Any Information that can be gathered. Day, Time, Location of Attacks; and compile all this information, and also, I'd like to see that information shared with the public (minus victim's names) and see whether something comes to light that helps identify this guy. There could well be some clue in the most seemingly insignificant of things that the guy said at any point in time; possibly something that could give a hint as to where he works, or what general field of occupation he's in. Anything can help, and the more minutia gathered about the individual, the better. By Far!

As we all know, there's very little to go by in the case of Jacob, which is pretty likely why it's been unsolved.

I know that some if not many on this board are highly convinced that DR is the perpetrator; personally I'm not, and at least I wouldn't limit my thinking to him. However, even if he is, following the same practice, would also help if that's the case. It could also help in clearing some of the other known suspects, whittling down the suspect pool. LE is always keen to clear suspects who could not have possibly been involved in order to clear the workload.

It's hard to feel like I've expressed my thinking here well enough, so, I'll probably end up editing/adding to this post. For what it's worth.

That's just idiotic. Close the case?! And what if none of the cases are related to Jacobs?!?!


And to treat the other cases as just as important as this one? Really??? None of the other kids have been missing for 25 years!
 
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