MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #12

[Matthew1026]

Matthew1026: imo your "fieldwork" and insight is quite possibly the most intelligent post Ive ever seen regarding this case! Exact date and time, the weather forecast was similar, the season.. You are on to something here! I have been out there and seen the site and driveway. You are right! Curious as to what you felt? Your intuition? Thank you for checking that out!

Thanks. It was very eerie and I had a very uneasy feeling just thinking about what had happened there 25 years earlier.

 

[Matthew1026]

Are there lights on those poles?

No, there were not lights on the poles.

 

[momthebomb]

I appreciate all the thought that Dave K has put into this. I have been following for months, and while I do not always post, Dave K has brought up several points that I absolutely agree with. IMO. LE has uncovered just about every stone there could be in Jacob's case, setting aside any unintentional oops or overlooks. I just don't think there is much more to get from that angle of investigation. Why not put that energy and manpower into the Paynesville assaults? I too have a pretty good gut feeling that they, Jared and Jacob are all connected. To begin with, those victims certainly deserve justice in their cases and I agree there is a good chance that more victims may come forward. I also feel there could be quite a bit of information from all the victims that have not been brought to the surface yet. If the victims of Paynesville really believed that. LE wanted to solve those attacks, whether or not it contributed to solving Jacob's abduction, they may work a little harder to remember more. It only takes that one or two tid bit to put a puzzle together.
Secondly, what the heck is there to loose by seriously and completely investigating Paynesviile? It's been 25 years. Twenty five long, heart aching years, and really, how much more do they really know now than back in 1989? Basically the only additions have been Jared's situation and what happened in Paynesville. I have noticed that some on here do not care for or appreciate what Joy has brought to this case. But I see it as someone who has at least brought a new arena for LE to be involved in and has also brought a lot of attention to Jacob, which is always valuable. And let us not forget that Patty seems to like her, and that's enough for me. Instead of going round and round about DR and spinning their wheels in that direction, let's take the little bit we have and start to dig deep. I too am not real keen on the idea that DR is involved. I really believe that if LE thought for one minutes he was, some sort of action would have taken place by now. It ceratinly cannot hurt and no one knows what it may lead to. Kudos to Dave K for taking the time to put it out there and coming up with a good amount of possibilities that could come from it.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I appreciate all the thought that Dave K has put into this. I have been following for months, and while I do not always post, Dave K has brought up several points that I absolutely agree with. IMO. LE has uncovered just about every stone there could be in Jacob's case, setting aside any unintentional oops or overlooks. I just don't think there is much more to get from that angle of investigation. Why not put that energy and manpower into the Paynesville assaults? I too have a pretty good gut feeling that they, Jared and Jacob are all connected. To begin with, those victims certainly deserve justice in their cases and I agree there is a good chance that more victims may come forward. I also feel there could be quite a bit of information from all the victims that have not been brought to the surface yet. If the victims of Paynesville really believed that. LE wanted to solve those attacks, whether or not it contributed to solving Jacob's abduction, they may work a little harder to remember more. It only takes that one or two tid bit to put a puzzle together.
Secondly, what the heck is there to loose by seriously and completely investigating Paynesviile? It's been 25 years. Twenty five long, heart aching years, and really, how much more do they really know now than back in 1989? Basically the only additions have been Jared's situation and what happened in Paynesville. I have noticed that some on here do not care for or appreciate what Joy has brought to this case. But I see it as someone who has at least brought a new arena for LE to be involved in and has also brought a lot of attention to Jacob, which is always valuable. And let us not forget that Patty seems to like her, and that's enough for me. Instead of going round and round about DR and spinning their wheels in that direction, let's take the little bit we have and start to dig deep. I too am not real keen on the idea that DR is involved. I really believe that if LE thought for one minutes he was, some sort of action would have taken place by now. It ceratinly cannot hurt and no one knows what it may lead to. Kudos to Dave K for taking the time to put it out there and coming up with a good amount of possibilities that could come from it.

What is stopping anyone from investigating Paynesville, go ahead. About a month or two ago I emailed Joy a person that I knew from Paynesville, so I've done all I can do. Also I think there is a high probability that Paynesville is separate from Jared and both are separate from Jacob.

 

[Dave K]

Thanks momthebomb for the comment; #583. It make a lot of sense to me. I think there's every reason to feel that it would be beneficial all the way around. Like I said, if the other cases are not related, they've still been unsolved for 25 years, and would be good to solve. And, like a lot of others, I think there's good chance they are related to Jacob's. I'm not certain what else to say right now. I'm kind of dumbfounded by comments from nmogren about the idea being idiotic! I certainly don't think it is. And to her comment about "Close the case?!" I'm not certain what she thought I was saying, but, closing the case is what we want; it means that the case has been solved, thus closed. Going by her comment and from a couple of others that have commented really negatively on posts I've made, I'm not certain what they're reading into them. I also am not certain why there's such a negative attitude on this board about Joy and her blog; she's provided a lot of great information, and is considered a friend to, and has been working with, both Patty W. and Jared.

 

[Trackergd]

I am curious why LE is not releasing any information, 25 years after the fact. At this point they should be welcoming any assistance they can get. I wounder if they will ever post here and answer that question. I don't think that "ongoing investigation" is a viable excuse after this amount of time.

 

[Dave K]

I am curious why LE is not releasing any information, 25 years after the fact. At this point they should be welcoming any assistance they can get. I wounder if they will ever post here and answer that question. I don't think that "ongoing investigation" is a viable excuse after this amount of time.

I agree, and have said pretty much the same thing. There may be connections that can be made by people in the public, that need the information to go by, in order to make the connections... I also agree with the part about the "Ongoing Investigation" at this point, they really need to just gather any information they can. Thanks for the post!

 

[nmogren]

ELOCsoul keep up the good work on fb and with your book. I don't know how you are getting all of your excellent information, but you may be the one to finally crack this!


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[chaplain1]

I am curious why LE is not releasing any information, 25 years after the fact. At this point they should be welcoming any assistance they can get. I wounder if they will ever post here and answer that question. I don't think that "ongoing investigation" is a viable excuse after this amount of time.

Releasing the information would put public pressure on the DA to make an arrest. DA must think there is still reasonable doubt, so why show your hand?

 

[Trackergd]

Releasing the information would put public pressure on the DA to make an arrest. DA must think there is still reasonable doubt, so why show your hand?

Reasonable doubt? After 25 years? They either have enough or they don't. If they don't, bring more resources to bear on the matter. If they do, quit dithering around and make an arrest. At least murder does not have a statute of limitations.

 

[chaplain1]

Reasonable doubt? After 25 years? They either have enough or they don't. If they don't, bring more resources to bear on the matter. If they do, quit dithering around and make an arrest. At least murder does not have a statute of limitations.

I like the logic of your post, but what would you pour resources into? Dig up the whole farm?

 

[Sasquatch321]

I like the logic of your post, but what would you pour resources into? Dig up the whole farm?

A tracker needs more then one "right" footprint to work with. Jacob has two feet and so does the perp. Turn over the woodpile and come clear on the crime scene. Come clear on DR and all evidence from three searches.

 

[human]

Gyyyy

Was it Kevin that failed to secure the crime scene? He didn't know what the crime was, or where the crime scene was until later. Police instead were stationed to escort the Wetterlings the last mile home, which is rather odd in itself. I think they knew the way home.

Also, Kevin gave his name to a police officer that night.

Why do you feel it is odd to escort the Wetterlings?

 

[human]

DAH was suspected early on, but the prosecution likely wanted to minimize the number of children who would have to testify, or they may not have been willing to testify. So, my opinion is that they chose to prosecute only his most recent offenses. Local police knew DAH was a bad person at least 25 years prior to 1989.

Why? Why not get him for Jared? Did Jared see DAH pic or line up.

 

[human]

I appreciate all the thought that Dave K has put into this. I have been following for months, and while I do not always post, Dave K has brought up several points that I absolutely agree with. IMO. LE has uncovered just about every stone there could be in Jacob's case, setting aside any unintentional oops or overlooks. I just don't think there is much moire to get from that angle of investigation. Why not put that energy and manpower into the Paynesville assaults? I too have a pretty good gut feeling that they, Jared and Jacob are all connected. To begin with, those victims certainly deserve justice in their cases and I agree there is a good chance that more victims may come forward. I also feel there could be quite a bit of information from all the victims that have not been brought to the surface yet. If the victims of Paynesville really believed that. LE wanted to solve those attacks, whether or not it contributed to solving Jacob's abduction, they may work a little harder to remember more. It only takes that one or two tid bit to put a puzzle together.
Secondly, what the heck is there to loose by seriously and completely investigating Paynesviile? It's been 25 years. Twenty five long, heart aching years, and really, how much more do they really know now than back in 1989? Basically the only additions have been Jared's situation and what happened in Paynesville. I have noticed that some on here do not care for or appreciate what Joy has brought to this case. But I see it as someone who has at least brought a new arena for LE to be involved in and has also brought a lot of attention to Jacob, which is always valuable. And let us not forget that Patty seems to like her, and that's enough for me. Instead of going round and round about DR and spinning their wheels in that direction, let's take the little bit we have and start to dig deep. I too am not real keen on the idea that DR is involved. I really believe that if LE thought for one minutes he was, some sort of action would have taken place by now. It ceratinly cannot hurt and no one knows what it may lead to. Kudos to Dave K for taking the time to put it out there and coming up with a good amount of possibilities that could come from it.

What Paynesville attacks? There were some run ins reported by the same boy at different times. Some eerie feelings.

What attacks?

 

[ELOCsoul]

Why? Why not get him for Jared? Did Jared see DAH pic or line up.

Paraphrasing from a January 28, 1990 article in the St. Cloud Times, "Molester Files May Further Investigations":

When Hart's alleged victims later came forward and agreed to give statements, the Kandoyohi County attorney had a case.

Neil Neddemeyer: "Why do I like to fortify the case? To keep the child from having to testify."

 

[momthebomb]

What Paynesville attacks? There were some run ins reported by the same boy at different times. Some eerie feelings.

What attacks?

I'm a bit confused and not quite sure what you are referring to here. From what I have understood there were several different boys acousted, attacked, attempted molestation or what ever else you wish to call it. Someone on here commented that these boys were not abducted and never seen again like Jacob. So does that mean they don't deserve justice in what was done to them? I just don't get a comment like that. What happened to Jacob was horrific and the worst possible scenerio, but IMO, no child should be assaulted. No one has any information how it may have affected these victims. You don't know if they ended up having lifelong issues because of it. And while in one sentence I referred to them as assaults, yes I also did call them attacks, because that is exactly what they were. These boys were assaulted and attacked by some sexual, deviant perve and they deserve to finally, after 25 years, have some answers. And is it helps lead to who is responsible for Jacob, how wonderful would that be. As far as I can tell, Patty feels the same way.

 

[Dave K]

I'm a bit confused and not quite sure what you are referring to here. From what I have understood there were several different boys acousted, attacked, attempted molestation or what ever else you wish to call it. Someone on here commented that these boys were not abducted and never seen again like Jacob. So does that mean they don't deserve justice in what was done to them? I just don't get a comment like that. What happened to Jacob was horrific and the worst possible scenerio, but IMO, no child should be assaulted. No one has any information how it may have affected these victims. You don't know if they ended up having lifelong issues because of it. And while in one sentence I referred to them as assaults, yes I also did call them attacks, because that is exactly what they were. These boys were assaulted and attacked by some sexual, deviant perve and they deserve to finally, after 25 years, have some answers. And is it helps lead to who is responsible for Jacob, how wonderful would that be. As far as I can tell, Patty feels the same way.

Good post; well put!

 

[Sasquatch321]

I'm a bit confused and not quite sure what you are referring to here. From what I have understood there were several different boys acousted, attacked, attempted molestation or what ever else you wish to call it. Someone on here commented that these boys were not abducted and never seen again like Jacob. So does that mean they don't deserve justice in what was done to them? I just don't get a comment like that. What happened to Jacob was horrific and the worst possible scenerio, but IMO, no child should be assaulted. No one has any information how it may have affected these victims. You don't know if they ended up having lifelong issues because of it. And while in one sentence I referred to them as assaults, yes I also did call them attacks, because that is exactly what they were. These boys were assaulted and attacked by some sexual, deviant perve and they deserve to finally, after 25 years, have some answers. And is it helps lead to who is responsible for Jacob, how wonderful would that be. As far as I can tell, Patty feels the same way.

It would be nice if the victims really want their cases solved, to meet up as a group and one by one describe their perp to each other and try to see if they are all looking at the same guy. If they are different then we need to know that too.

 

[Dave K]

It would be nice if the victims really want their cases solved, to meet up as a group and one by one describe their perp to each other and try to see if they are all looking at the same guy. If they are different then we need to know that too.

I agree with that, I'd like to see them compare notes on Anything/Everything they can remember! Brainstorm the subject!