MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #14

[chaplain1]

I hope that's a joke or you need to get out more..

Both are true.

 

[thenotebook]

I DON'T have a problem with this case clearly but iam wondering why it is still stuck in the missing n not forgotten and not have its own forum for this case like the JB ramsey forum where they talk only about that case because thats all thats going on here in missing n not forgotten its wetterling 24/7 well there are other cases that need to be brought up and when this one is allways the one that is first when u come here you dont even know about the jen kesse tara griensteas brit drexel so i dont have the power but someone does i think its best for the jacob case to have its owen forum just like the JBR FORUM SITE ...

How are you navigating? When I go to Missing But Not Forgotten, Jacob's case is tucked in the 1980's folder.

I would like Jacob to have its own sub forum. I think the case gets enough views and discussion to warrant it's own space.

And just to defend this thread...there is a small group of us posters who post almost daily in Jacob's thread. So it's not like the entire community is contributing to his case, but those of us that are interested do follow it very closely. I check his thread every day. I do think this case is solvable if we can put pressure on LE and find the right nugget of information.

 

[bessie]

Someone should send me a list of proposed topic threads. Also, are you prepared to switch back and forth between topic threads? Because there will be no general discussion thread if we open a sub-forum.

 

[Dave K]

I DON'T have a problem with this case clearly but iam wondering why it is still stuck in the missing n not forgotten and not have its own forum for this case like the JB ramsey forum where they talk only about that case because thats all thats going on here in missing n not forgotten its wetterling 24/7 well there are other cases that need to be brought up and when this one is allways the one that is first when u come here you dont even know about the jen kesse tara griensteas brit drexel so i dont have the power but someone does i think its best for the jacob case to have its owen forum just like the JBR FORUM SITE ...

I may not completely understand what you're explaining; but, after reading Notebook's response, above, I tried to navigate, and I'm not seeing the problem(s) your describing. Go to Missing but not forgotten; you have to go to '80s missing to get to the Jacob W thread; but, Tara Grinstead and Jennifer Kesse both have their own threads, which you see on the same page as the '80s missing, before you click on 80s missing; so, they have their own threads, and you see them before you go to 80s missing..., then Brittanee Drexel is in the 2000s missing; and under 80s missing, Jacob W is listed first, but, there are others listed there as well. I'm wondering if you're using a link that takes you where you're going, and that's why it seem like the Jacob W thread is first and you're not seeing the others; because, I'm seeing them. Maybe I'm not understanding what you're explaining, but, I thought that I'd throw that out. I also would think that Jacob W would have a thread of its own, but, currently, this is the only thread I visit, and I just use a link that brings me straight here.

 

[Sleutherish]

Personally, I think it would be difficult to switch between topic threads. I prefer to have all info on one general Jacob thread. If we have to switch to a Paynesville thread to discuss that aspect, I think info will get lost or repeated. I also check this thread daily.

 

[Dave K]

Someone should send me a list of proposed topic threads. Also, are you prepared to switch back and forth between topic threads? Because there will be no general discussion thread if we open a sub-forum.

Can I ask about this, because, I really don't understand the sub-forum concept myself; I just come straight here and everything I'm looking for and posting about is here. Are you saying that, if you were to open a sub-forum for Jacob Wetterling (sub-forum) 'Dan Rassier Person of Interest'; then, there would no longer still be this or any General Discussion thread for Jacob, and so, there'd have to be another sub-forum for "all other suspects" or something like that. I'm not certain that I'm understanding what you're explaining there; but, if you're saying that once you start with sub-forums, then there'd be no General Discussion; if that's the way I described, that sounds kind of awkward to me. But, probably others understand it better. Hopefully, I've described my question well enough.

 

[shergal]

Personally, I think it would be difficult to switch between topic threads. I prefer to have all info on one general Jacob thread. If we have to switch to a Paynesville thread to discuss that aspect, I think info will get lost or repeated. I also check this thread daily.

I agree with this. I wouldn't want to lose the general discussion thread. Things get repeated enough as it is, if we had to switch between topics, I think comments would be dragged back and forth. JMO.

 

[scotgirl]

I agree with this. I wouldn't want to lose the general discussion thread. Things get repeated enough as it is, if we had to switch between topics, I think comments would be dragged back and forth. JMO.

Absolutely. Keep all the info in one place. This is the only thread i visit. Something about Jacob just stays with me. I do actually know about all the cases CanManEh mentioned and have read up on them as well but if you have a job and family there's not much spare time to devote to lots of different cases. Doesn't mean i don't care about the others.

 

[ThePhantom]

Random thought for the afternoon -- I was wondering if the Paynesville perp started his deviant behavior somewhat close to home, (i.e. he might live/work/coach near the Paynesville area) and then decided it was getting too risky to continue his behavior there so he laid low for a bit, then, something happened possibly causing his behavior to ratchet up and he went after Jared in '89 and then Jacob towards the end of '89. It's possible he did not mean to kill Jacob, but Jacob may have recognized him.

Just thoughts. Bear in mind I am open to all theories, though I do admit I think there is a potential suspect known to police who may have gotten away with murder.

 

[ThePhantom]

I have found myself focusing on Jacob and Josh Guimond throughout the years, with other cases mixed in as well, i.e. Suzy Lyall, Roger Ellison, Mike Negrete, oh I could go on, how much time do you have ..... I guess the distinctive difference for me with regard to Jacob is that I've always had this nagging thought the perp is or was right there, right under our noses. Slinking around, hiding like a snake in the grass or just being a coward, masking the terrible deed he committed, either not caring about it at all as a sociopath would, or, caring about it but believing because he confessed his sin to God, he is exonerated.

 

[ELOCsoul]

Random thought for the afternoon -- I was wondering if the Paynesville perp started his deviant behavior somewhat close to home, (i.e. he might live/work/coach near the Paynesville area) and then decided it was getting too risky to continue his behavior there so he laid low for a bit, then, something happened possibly causing his behavior to ratchet up and he went after Jared in '89 and then Jacob towards the end of '89. It's possible he did not mean to kill Jacob, but Jacob may have recognized him.

Just thoughts. Bear in mind I am open to all theories, though I do admit I think there is a potential suspect known to police who may have gotten away with murder.

Maybe the Paynesville perpetrator just visited the area on weekends. Could be why he was difficult to track down. Maybe he moved to the area at some point, and then changed his MO.

Familiarity with the rural areas around Cold Spring and Richmond could be a clue, then there is the Red Carpet.

Asking for directions...only one letter and the pitch of a vowel separate what a victim believed he heard, and what the perpetrator might have said instead...

 

[Sasquatch321]

Maybe the Paynesville perpetrator just visited the area on weekends. Could be why he was difficult to track down. Maybe he moved to the area at some point, and then changed his MO.

Familiarity with the rural areas around Cold Spring and Richmond could be a clue, then there is the Red Carpet.

Asking for directions...only one letter separates what a victim thought he heard, and what the perpetrator might have said instead...

"The Paynesville Perpetrator" or "Paynesville Perpetrators"? How and when was it determined across the 11 assaults that it was all the same guy?

 

[ThePhantom]

There were so many sex offenders in that area there is no way to tell at this point. It still takes my breath away.

 

[ThePhantom]

The Red Carpet .... how thoroughly were the employees of that establishment interviewed with regard to Jared's case? Wondering if LE interviewed employees who were working the afternoon the perp told Jared he was late for an appt. at the Red Carpet. Who showed up there for an appointment that afternoon, I wonder?

 

[ThePhantom]

"The gunman, who wore a mask, ordered them off their bikes and into a ditch and demanded their ages. After looking at Aaron's face, the gunman told him and Trevor to run or he'd shoot. Then he snatched Jacob and presumably took off in a vehicle, although the other boys did not see one. "This guy was very aggressive, very commanding, almost like a military man," Gigler said. The Cold Spring boy had just finished ice skating with two friends Jan. 13 and was walking home alone when a man drove up and pulled him into a car. The boy lived about four blocks away. The man drove him about 5 miles to an area north of Richmond where he molested him. The abductor later dumped the boy from his car and told him to run or he'd shoot. The boy said he never saw a gun. The abductor in Cold Spring was not wearing a mask, and the victim saw his face during the three hours they were together. He also reported that the man wore a green military-style camouflage shirt and pants, black boots, a gray vest and a brown baseball cap. The description and the kidnapper's manner in both cases prompted authorities to consider the possibility that the man has served in the military. The FBI released a drawing of the man yesterday and also described him as white, about 5 feet 8, with husky shoulders and a low-pitched raspy voice. Authorities identified his car as a dark blue four-door similar to a Chevrolet Celebrity. Jacob's mother, Patty Wetterling, called the latest development "pretty solid" and "very encouraging," adding, "There are not likely to be two people like that running around the St. Cloud-St. Joe area." " Article by: PAT DOYLE; STAFF WRITER , Star Tribune Updated: December 14, 1989 - 10:00 PM

 

[ThePhantom]

" Jamar declined to speculate on Jacob's fate in light of the new development, saying there have been cases in which the same abductor keeps some children a long time while releasing others early. He said investigators took weeks to satisfy themselves that the Cold Spring boy's description of his attacker was accurate and that the circumstances in both cases pointed to a single unidentified man. "We didn't want to put out an artist conception like this one unless we were certain," Jamar said. The prime suspect The FBI released this sketch Thursday, saying that it depicted an unidentified man who is now the prime suspect in Jacob Wetterling's kidnapping 40 to 50 years old 5 feet 8 inches tall Husky shoulders Low, raspy voice Bold, authoritative manner In a January incident, the man wore a green military-style camouflage shirt and pants, black boots, a gray vest and a brown baseball cap. He drove a dark blue, newer model four-door car similar to a Chevrolet Celebrity." Star Tribune, Patty Doyle, December 14, 1989

 

[thenotebook]

My main reason for wanting a dedicated Jacob forum is because for a few days we'll talk about DR, then someone will switch it up to another person, then it goes back to DR. Then I feel like the important details about the other perps get lost.

 

[Dave K]

The Red Carpet .... how thoroughly were the employees of that establishment interviewed with regard to Jared's case? Wondering if LE interviewed employees who were working the afternoon the perp told Jared he was late for an appt. at the Red Carpet. Who showed up there for an appointment that afternoon, I wonder?

While obviously, we can't know, I personally believe that it would be much more likely than not that "The Red Carpet" line was a ruse. I'd think that if not, it'd be an incredible and incredibly stupid 'slip of the tongue' - as if he's saying, "and after I drop you off young man, you (they (the cops)) will be able to find me at the Red Carpet (I'll be the one in the fatigues, grey vest and brown ball cap). Especially if he worked there, was any kind of a regular, had a friend who worked there or was a regular. It would make no sense to commit such an incredible crime and then just before you let the victim go, let him know where you're headed; where you can be found afterwards.

Having said that; I expect that LE gave sufficient attention to the Red Carpet and the various possibilities, (worked there, a regular, visited, had a meeting... or knew someone who did...) If he did have something to do the Red Carpet, then, I expect that mentioning it would have been an incredible mistake; then I'd expect they should have been looking for someone who suddenly hadn't been seen there since that day; that's also, something that I'd expect that LE considered and likely checked out.

 

[Ifollowthis]

I agree with this. I wouldn't want to lose the general discussion thread. Things get repeated enough as it is, if we had to switch between topics, I think comments would be dragged back and forth. JMO.

I agree

 

[human]

Someone should send me a list of proposed topic threads. Also, are you prepared to switch back and forth between topic threads? Because there will be no general discussion thread if we open a sub-forum.

I do not like that kind of set up. It is hard to moderate, I feel, because topics get brought up in the wrong thread. Then if it is moved, it gets lost, to me.

The mods have enough to do on here with our faux pas, I feel.