MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[islandmixed]

Anybody know if the entire funeral was streamed, or just the parts before everyone went inside? Saw a bit on vice news vis youtube. Cheers

 

[gramcracker]

enjoyed the comment below the article from StevenLNew

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/08/what-not-to-do-when-pulled-over.html

 

[popsicle]

I'm pretty firm in belief based on what has been put out that this was a justified shooting by the officer.

But I watched a few minutes of the funeral today and was struck by MB's mother. While some of the service seemed a bit theatrical and some pandering to the cameras/crowd, she has a sadness on her face that is undeniable. I don't know circumstances of her relationship w/ MB or history, but my heart really breaks for her. It felt obvious that the service could have been 10 people, all simply sitting around to chat about MB before laying him to rest and she would have loved it. I didn't sense the pomp & circumstance got her her, where I sensed it with other members of the family.

I pray she can find peace & help that community look within & reach out so this doesn't happen again.

I agree.

 

[krimekat]

I have stated from the start I don't know if OW is quilty of a crime. Some posters have cited statutes giving le authority to shoot @ fleeing felons. Heres what I am having trouble with. If OW did nothing wrong in shooting at MB as he fled, was there a way for MB to surrender in a way that it would not be ok for OW to shoot him? Any thoughts?

not after MB went for ODWs weapon
not after MB hit/punched ODW

I guess if MB would have laid down on the ground after ODW said Freeze, maybe MB would be alive today. But assaulting LEO & then IMHO charging after him - that's a death sentence

 

[gramcracker]

I think Dorian HAD TO say that OW was trying to pull MB into the car window. He had to say that because in reality MB was leaning into the window assaulting OW, and DJ had to think of something to say to cover that up. jmo

"a little truth in every lie"

 

[krimekat]

They are just protesting the fact they believe they are profiled as possible criminals by the police.

and I must post that based on the demographics of that area, of course, they will be profiled & pulled over MORE than others -- it's the art of stats

 

[krimekat]

If we took race out of this, do you think Police brutality charge could be filed based on what we know?

and age Noting he was just 18 yo (lol)

 

[bettybaby00]

I don't know how to bring a post forward from a previous thread. It is #1079 from thread #10. This outlines the times of the convenience store robbery and when the bolo went out as the description of those suspects. Based on this I believe OW after telling them to get out of the street rolled on past. But after rolling past heard the descriptions over the radio and what was stolen. Knowing MB was carrying those items, stopped threw it in reverse causing the tires to screetch and backed up. Then all hell broke loose because MB knew he was about to be arrested.

JMO's

11.48am - Officer Darren Wilson and an ambulance crew were at an unrelated call about a sick person
11.51am - A 911 call comes in about a 'strong- armed' robbery at a nearby convenience store
11.52am - Police radio dispatch gives a description of two robbery suspects who assaulted a clerk and stole Swisher Sweet cigars. The clerk says the suspects were walking toward the QuickTrip gas station
12.01pm – Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown walking in the middle of the street in the 2900 block of Canfield Drive. The officer shoots Brown dead following an altercation
12.04pm – A second officer arrives on scene and the ambulance from the sick call arrives to give Brown medical attention. He is declared dead at the scene
12.05pm – A supervisor arrives at the scene of the shooting




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ael-Brown.html

BBM

Does anyone not realize how criminal MBs behavior was in that store?

Does anyone really think that if a kid walked into a convince store, and pocketed $50 worth of merchandise and ran out before the store owner could react, it would have resulted in a BOLO?

"Strong arming" that clerk, both physically and then with the threat of more to come if he didn't "step back" is serious offense. It's not simply shoplifting anymore, and it's a line he chose to cross.

And less than 15 minutes later, he crosses the line again.

 

[jggordo]

So when you say ' all hell broke loose' what does that mean? In your version of events, I mean. Because in my version of events, in my mind, that means that as soon as the cop backed up, MB KNEW he was about to be arrested for the robbery. And he was going to do everything and anything to prevent that. The cop tries to exit his vehicle, and MB pounces immediately, shoves him back in the car,, and it's on. jmo

I believe you are right. As soon as the two of them heard the police cruiser stop, then thrown in reverse and tires screetching...they knew what was coming. When OW tried to get out of the vehicle he was shoved back in by MB, then punched in the face at least once. I believe once that happed OW drew his service weapon. It is the only scenario that I believe a trained officer would take a weapon out inside a vehicle. With MB trying to get the gun it possibly went off grazing the hand or arm. Then MB let go and ran.

DJ's witness statements (and lies) started by saying OW shot MB in the back. It was THOSE statements that sparked the outrage to begin, thus "all hell broke loose". In my opinion he should be charged with another charge of filing a false police report. For days the nation thought MB had been shot in the back, which of course turned out to be not true and a lie. As time has gone on DJ has changed his stories to fit any provable information that has come to light. He didn't even mention the convenience store robbery until he had to.

JMO

 

[bwt42]

When the cop yells FREEZE, then you freeze. That does not mean RUN.

I asked how to surrender. Are you saying if he stops running & freezes, OW must stop shooting?

 

[Lovejac]

So how long did the funeral end up lasting?

 

[Muffet]

It appears then that they have not been told what happened, merely a one-sided and incomplete accounting of what happened, with huge gaps not filled in.

I think they've been told what MB did - it's all over the news; and the family, pot-stirrers, and protesters spent plenty of time screaming about how showing the robbery was character assassination. They're also being told spin, denials, and that "there's no evidence".

But most important, they're (like us) being told that none of anything MB did matters, even if it is true.

That's what's so disturbing.

You can have hope if people think it matters once they see the truth. What we have here is so much worse.

And the fact that such a toxic, short-sighted message is being delivered by people who are in leadership and other roles kids should be able to look up to an emulate is an unforgivable crime, imo.

 

[TheDuchess]

I have stated from the start I don't know if OW is quilty of a crime. Some posters have cited statutes giving le authority to shoot @ fleeing felons. Heres what I am having trouble with. If OW did nothing wrong in shooting at MB as he fled, was there a way for MB to surrender in a way that it would not be ok for OW to shoot him? Any thoughts?

Well...something similar to what the original narrative may have sufficed, i.e. "hands up" "don't shoot." But I think it is getting quite clear that isn't exactly what happened. Now...as to why people are sharing links to statutes and case law, is to further explain the fact that there is innately a much higher burden of proof to prove a police officer didn't shoot in self-defense over an ordinary citizen. In cases of shooting death, a police officer is more of a protected class, so to speak. Many people are getting it wrong. They are acting as if a police officer has an "extra" level of proving themselves innocent than an average citizen and that is simply the opposite case.

 

[TheDuchess]

A sincere question--
What kind of message is this highly attended funeral sending to kids and teens?
Do so called high officials, dignitaries and celebrities go to all funerals of those who die after committing a crime?
Have the kids in this community been told WHAT MB was doing when he was shot?

Honestly, it was like watching a state funeral.

 

[Lovejac]

I have stated from the start I don't know if OW is quilty of a crime. Some posters have cited statutes giving le authority to shoot @ fleeing felons. Heres what I am having trouble with. If OW did nothing wrong in shooting at MB as he fled, was there a way for MB to surrender in a way that it would not be ok for OW to shoot him? Any thoughts?

For me personally, it passed the point of no return when MB assaulted the officer and struggled for his gun.

That said, if I had assaulted Officer Wilson and tried to get his gun and then decided to surrender after the fact, I would have layed down flat on my belly and put both my hands behind my back.

 

[bwt42]

My thoughts are if MB FROZE trying to surrender then OW wouldn't have had to shoot him 6 times.

Do you think IF OW decided to execute an "innocent child" like MB while he was surrendering Officer Wilson would use him as target practice and aim for MB's arm 4 times before hitting him in the head????

Think about that. Realistically even if MB tried to stay in that "surrendering posture with his hands up" he would NEVER have lasted that long and taken 4 shots to the arm before he received 2 head shots. He would have hit the ground LONG before the last shot!

I hope OW is innocent. But I have no clear idea what happened. I believe there was an altercation at the car. MB was hit by a least one shot there. He may have been hit again in the arm as he fled. At some point he turned around and was shot until he fell. I don't think OW used him for target practice. I'm trying to imagine a scenario that would not allow OW to continue shooting & if that is what happened.

 

[cady]

I don't know how to bring a post forward from a previous thread. It is #1079 from thread #10. This outlines the times of the convenience store robbery and when the bolo went out as the description of those suspects. Based on this I believe OW after telling them to get out of the street rolled on past. But after rolling past heard the descriptions over the radio and what was stolen. Knowing MB was carrying those items, stopped threw it in reverse causing the tires to screetch and backed up. Then all hell broke loose because MB knew he was about to be arrested.

JMO's

11.48am - Officer Darren Wilson and an ambulance crew were at an unrelated call about a sick person
11.51am - A 911 call comes in about a 'strong- armed' robbery at a nearby convenience store
11.52am - Police radio dispatch gives a description of two robbery suspects who assaulted a clerk and stole Swisher Sweet cigars. The clerk says the suspects were walking toward the QuickTrip gas station
12.01pm – Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown walking in the middle of the street in the 2900 block of Canfield Drive. The officer shoots Brown dead following an altercation
12.04pm – A second officer arrives on scene and the ambulance from the sick call arrives to give Brown medical attention. He is declared dead at the scene
12.05pm – A supervisor arrives at the scene of the shooting




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ael-Brown.html

So, he had already told them to get off the street and rolled on at 11:52 (BOLO) backed up and altercation started? 9 minutes in between BOLO and arms flailing, gunshot and pursuit???? I don't know either but I think it all went down within a few minutes....everything...... which makes me think that if he heard the BOLO at 11:52 he probably hadn't even turned onto the street where they were 'til like 11:57...at which point he would have figured out who Mike B was from the BOLO description before he told them to get off the street. That's what puzzles me about the timing and the BOLO. He should have arrested MB right then and there if he had already heard the BOLO. Just speculating. JMO JMO

 

[popsicle]

So how long did the funeral end up lasting?

Once the horse drawn coach took him to the cemetery or after they finished at the cemetery too? I don't know, sorry. :seeya:

 

[bettybaby00]

I believe you are right. As soon as the two of them heard the police cruiser stop, then thrown in reverse and tires screetching...they knew what was coming. When OW tried to get out of the vehicle he was shoved back in by MB, then punched in the face at least once. I believe once that happed OW drew his service weapon. It is the only scenario that I believe a trained officer would take a weapon out inside a vehicle. With MB trying to get the gun it possibly went off grazing the hand or arm. Then MB let go and ran.

DJ's witness statements (and lies) started by saying OW shot MB in the back. It was THOSE statements that sparked the outrage to begin, thus "all hell broke loose". In my opinion he should be charged with another charge of filing a false police report. For days the nation thought MB had been shot in the back, which of course turned out to be not true and a lie. As time has gone on DJ has changed his stories to fit any provable information that has come to light. He didn't even mention the convenience store robbery until he had to.

JMO

If DJ told police what he was first saying to the media....then he could be charged with lying to police.

FERGUSON, Missouri — 8/13

“I saw the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” said Dorian Johnson, 22. “Then I saw the fire come out of the barrel.”

Johnson, in an exclusive interview with msnbc, said what began as an order by a police officer to ‘get the f— onto the sidewalk’ quickly escalated into a physical altercation and then, gunfire.

“I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close,” said Johnson, who said he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer when the first of several shots was fired at the teen. Johnson says he feared for his life as he watched the officer squeezing off shot after shot.


About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.


“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun.

“I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.”

A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off.

“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.

“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.

“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said. He ran to his apartment nearby. Out of breath, shocked and afraid, Johnson says he went into the bathroom and vomited. Then he checked to make sure that he hadn’t also been shot.

Five minutes later, Johnson emerged from his apartment to see his friend Mike dead and in the middle of the street. Neighbors were gathering, some shouting, some taking pictures with their cell phones.

Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney, told msnbc that the police have yet to interview Johnson. Bosley said that he offered the police an opportunity to speak with Johnson, but they declined.

“They didn’t even want to talk to him,” said Bosley, a former mayor of St. Louis. “They don’t want the facts. What they want is to justify what happened … what they are trying to do now is justify what happened instead of trying to point out the wrong. Something is wrong here and that’s what it is.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

Given the changes to the narrative Parks has made to NG and Megyn Kelly, I suspect DJs official statement was much different than above. And I only bolded phrases which evidence suggests is definitely not true.

 

[Muffet]

I asked how to surrender. Are you saying if he stops running & freezes, OW must stop shooting?

bwt, my understanding from a cop is that the order to freeze would have been enough if MB had also put his hands behind his back, and his back towards the officer. That would have been standard order and and procedure to follow.

To face the officer, to take a step toward the officer, to continue doing anything other than what the officer told him to do, especially considering he just assaulted that officer, is an act that only a suicidal officer would not interpret as a danger to his very life.

So yeah, I think, considering all I've read about Wilson, he would have tried to keep Mike at gunpoint and cuff him with backup near.

His facing the officer even if he put his hands up was more threatening than freezing and putting his hands behind his back.