MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[PaperDoll]

PAPERDOLL :loveyou:
So glad to see you.
Bringing your post from the last thread over..it deserves a re-post.



bbm

LOL.. THANK YOU! :blowkiss: I've been kind of following this whole mess, hard not to when I see it on the news and on my computer homepage all day, everyday so here I am, injecting my OPINION on how I think this world should spin.. :hand:

 

[DebinGA]

Unarmed man in the middle of the street
Unarmed man scuffled for the officer's gun and got it from him.
Unarmed man shot and killed the officer.

But, the officer tried to subdue him first with pepper spray. :facepalm:

... and was shot dead! Re "unarmed man"... the FBI collects murder stats yearly, including by type of weapon used, including:

Personal weapon (hands, fists, feet) + *Pushed is included in personal weapons

 

[popsicle]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 1m
Mugshots of people charged with looting in Ferguson released http://ift.tt/1qqZuFk

 

[Muffet]

I often wonder if people confuse what discussion forums are about. Posters are not jurors, their comments are not evidence, the members have no power to convict or acquit. It's simply an exchange of opinions and information. Some people want to be able to control the thoughts and opinions of others, an impossible task. I also think it pertinent that participation in discussion is voluntary.

That said, reviewing the threads here might give one a better idea of how people's opinions have transformed. There's a lot of explanation as to how people have arrived where they are right now. And there are many unanswered/ignored questions asked of those who seem upset with a notion that Wilson was justified. Seems many simply left when it appeared the case was heading in the "justified" direction. If you are interested in a discussion, I am sure the questions can be asked again. If you are interested in a particular conclusion, I think that is unlikely.

Well said, Frydaddy.

If we and other sites online sat quiet until "all the facts came out," the Internet would probably look like Ferguson.

We have violent riots and destruction because so many people are screaming for the officer's head before all the facts have come out, and even high government officials are calling for and making threats about what will happen if he isn't "prosecuted".

Officer Wilson's defenders are vital in reining in the galloping rush to convict him before all the facts are in.

 

[cady]

JMO I don't have a dog in this fight, and I'm not betting on a particular outcome. I do like to discuss possibilities and am very interested in following the legal process wherever it takes me. I do have suspicions about the narratives of both parties in the case, and their respective fan clubs. The best way to arrive at some semblance of the truth IS by way of a vigorous investigation and analysis of forensic evidence. For example, IF it is true that there is SOLID evidence of a struggle for the weapon, I expect that MB's DNA or prints will have been found on the weapon. If that proves to be the case, I will accept that MB tried to get the weapon. If not, there is no SOLID proof that he did. There is competing eyewitness testimony in this case (as is typically in most). Forensic analysis will hopefully show who is closest to the truth. JMO

 

[popsicle]

STLtoday ‏@stltoday 6m
ACLU cites Ferguson video, asks Highway Patrol to remove officer http://bit.ly/1z2mdvT

Members of that crowd verbally confront the officer, who appears to say, “I will (expletive) kill you. Get back.”


Asked his name, he responded, “Go (expletive) yourself.”

 

[DebinGA]

I believe that he did call for back up. Reports were that the other officer arrived within minutes.

I doubt the car door could do that damage because Johnson said the door opened and closed just a few inches.

May be mistaken, but I think the "source" claimed the beating occurred once DW was pushed back into the cruiser, i.e. the door was still open.

 

[PaperDoll]

<modsnip>Folks, it is quite obvious that there is a campaign from those supporting officer Wilson to justify this killing <modsnip>Yes, it is possible that it was a justified shooting, but just as possible it is going to be found that it was not. The only facts are that this boy was shot at least 6 times and died. We do not know from how far away he was shot, what position he was in when shot, where is hands were, what he was saying, what the officer was saying to him etc..<modsnip> Just as we are expecting the protesters to wait for the facts, we ourselves should wait for the facts before we give officer Wilson a medal for gunning down a KID.

Do you really think the protesters are waiting for the facts? They are not going to believe the facts unless it's in MB's favor, right?

 

[Dogface]

"Severe injuries" and "orbital fracture of the eye socket" or "orbital blow out"........and the officer didn't call for back up and was physically ok to get out of his vehicle to pursue MB?

Seriously.........have any of you ever witnessed or had the combination of the above? The pain is excruciating. Your nerve endings and mind are totally scrambled. It's an explosion in your head. Why didn't Wilson stay in his vehicle and call in a "officer down"?

Wilson is either Superman or spends his spare time at a boxing ring.

This whole situation is like a game of "telephone", each time it's repeated, it gets more an more unbelievable.

Back up a minute and think how difficult it is to throw a punch through a window of an SUV, and actually "connect" to a target with any sort of damage.
I still believe Wilson got hit with the window's door frame when it bounced back off of MB and his friend. Wilson was opening the door to get out of his SUV FAST.

When I was beaten near death and had that injury I fought back the entire time, and when it was all said and done got up and ran, not walked, to my neighbors since he had taken my phone when he left(which he did apparently for no reason other than I guess he had enough)...I am still not sure how I did it, I only looked at the pictures of my injuries once, and to say they were severe would be an understatement. I looked like ground beef or something, cuts and blood and swelling everywhere. Yet, I was still able to get up and run for my life. If at the time I would have been trained in weapons as I am now, my goal would have to been to get my gun, then seek my neighbors help.

 

[Bernina]

Actually someone said they had one and there was some pain, but they didn't know they had it until they blew their nose days later.

I've had several from horse and bike wrecks........it took a while to get my bearings. And the pain was BAD. Ruptured veins in my eye that massed over my iris and pupil. Swelling and discoloration that went from one side of my head to the other. Surgery.

So maybe Wilson had the "minor" end of the spectrum?:thinking:

 

[mdana]

I have been following your postings for several days now. I live on the opposite side, the state actually in KS, but close to Kansas City.

I think you will like this Story about Parcell's:

“I am a forensic pathologist assistant and medical investigator,” Parcells told FOX 4’s Shannon O’Brien.

However, that’s something of a dubious title according to forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell.

“That is a degree that does not exist in my knowledge, except in the mind of Shawn Parcells,” Dr. Mitchell said.

sbm

Dr. Young responded with this statement:

“Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me.”…. “He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so.”

http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/19/shawn-p...ed-by-doctors/

There is much more to the story so I hope you read it. Thanks

BBM-Caveat

This is Dr. Erik Mitchell:

Syracuse Medical Examiner Agrees to Quit After Inquiry

Published: November 20, 1993

The Onondaga County Medical Examiner, Dr. Erik Mitchell, agreed to resign today after a prosecutor's investigation concluded that he had overstepped his authority and mismanaged his office.

Among other things, prosecutors found that Dr. Mitchell routinely removed organs from corpses without the consent of the victims' families and improperly stored skeletons and body parts in his office.

Dr. Mitchell, 42, resigned as chief Medical Examiner effective immediately and will leave the Medical Examiner's office effective Jan. 15, 1994, said his lawyer, Sidney Cominsky. County Executive Nicholas Pirro said he was ready to dismiss Dr. Mitchell if he did not resign.

...
The District Attorney began investigating Dr. Mitchell when it was revealed that a man convicted of child *advertiser censored* had photographs taken of himself with a corpse in the Medical Examiner's office.

Mr. Fitzpatrick said not only was the man not authorized to be in the morgue, but that he helped a former morgue employee, Joseph Contrera, stitch up the corpse after an autopsy. Mr. Contrera is serving a prison term for molesting young boys.

The District Attorney also found that morgue employees took photographs of one another in playful poses over the body of a female suicide victim and that they provided the pathology department at University Hospital in Syracuse with bladders and kidneys from about 150 bodies, often without family consent.

Dr. Erik K. Mitchell,
Specializes in Forensic Pathology • Male • Age 63

...

MEDICAL SCHOOL

Upstate Medical University/ College of Health Professions

http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-erik-mitchell-w5lwc/background-check

 

[Amber29]

It's sad that those who serve and protect are treated like criminals, and criminals are elevated to an almost hero status. IMO.

This ^^

 

[popsicle]

Tim Pool &#8207;@Timcast 1m
Be sure to follow me on http://instagram.com/timcast for photos and clips.

Oh .. http://instagram.com/p/ruzWblr5p_/?modal=true

 

[Bernina]

When I was beaten near death and had that injury I fought back the entire time, and when it was all said and done got up and ran, not walked, to my neighbors since he had taken my phone when he left(which he did apparently for no reason other than I guess he had enough)...I am still not sure how I did it, I only looked at the pictures of my injuries once, and to say they were severe would be an understatement. I looked like ground beef or something, cuts and blood and swelling everywhere. Yet, I was still able to get up and run for my life. If at the time I would have been trained in weapons as I am now, my goal would have to been to get my gun, then seek my neighbors help.

Totally agree with that..........but you didn't go towards the danger, you ran to safety and help.

 

[KEVINinTO]

I read somewhere that the Governor can remove McCulluch (sp) since he has declared a state of emergency.

McCulluch has himself confirmed that Gov Nixon has the legal authority to remove him. In comments today McCulluch challenged Nixon to "man up" and replace him if he does not have confidence in the DA.

 

[TheDuchess]

Attorney for witness dispels rumors that story has changed

Dorian Johnson, witness to the Michael Brown killing, has not met with investigators since he was first questioned and has not recanted his statement, his lawyer said today.

Attorney Freeman Bosley said Johnson's statement that Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson chased Brown, who put up his hands in surrender before being fatally wounded, stands. Bosley said he has been dealing with rumors that Johnson has changed his story most of the day.

- Staff, 1:15 p.m. Wednesday

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_240a2e9c-a160-5d69-8a7b-c98e04d027d1.html

GOOD GRIEF!!! Now I need to go nurse my orbital socket fracture just caused by my smacking myself in the forehead so hard!

 

[mdana]

I have been following your postings for several days now. I live on the opposite side, the state actually in KS, but close to Kansas City.

I think you will like this Story about Parcell's:

“I am a forensic pathologist assistant and medical investigator,” Parcells told FOX 4’s Shannon O’Brien.

However, that’s something of a dubious title according to forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell.

“That is a degree that does not exist in my knowledge, except in the mind of Shawn Parcells,” Dr. Mitchell said.

sbm

Dr. Young responded with this statement:

“Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me.”…. “He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so.”

http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/19/shawn-p...ed-by-doctors/

There is much more to the story so I hope you read it. Thanks

BBM-Caveat

This is Dr. Erik Mitchell:

Syracuse Medical Examiner Agrees to Quit After Inquiry

Published: November 20, 1993

The Onondaga County Medical Examiner, Dr. Erik Mitchell, agreed to resign today after a prosecutor's investigation concluded that he had overstepped his authority and mismanaged his office.

Among other things, prosecutors found that Dr. Mitchell routinely removed organs from corpses without the consent of the victims' families and improperly stored skeletons and body parts in his office.

Dr. Mitchell, 42, resigned as chief Medical Examiner effective immediately and will leave the Medical Examiner's office effective Jan. 15, 1994, said his lawyer, Sidney Cominsky. County Executive Nicholas Pirro said he was ready to dismiss Dr. Mitchell if he did not resign.

...
The District Attorney began investigating Dr. Mitchell when it was revealed that a man convicted of child *advertiser censored* had photographs taken of himself with a corpse in the Medical Examiner's office.

Mr. Fitzpatrick said not only was the man not authorized to be in the morgue, but that he helped a former morgue employee, Joseph Contrera, stitch up the corpse after an autopsy. Mr. Contrera is serving a prison term for molesting young boys.

The District Attorney also found that morgue employees took photographs of one another in playful poses over the body of a female suicide victim and that they provided the pathology department at University Hospital in Syracuse with bladders and kidneys from about 150 bodies, often without family consent.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/20/n...al-examiner-agrees-to-quit-after-inquiry.html

Dr. Erik K. Mitchell,
Specializes in Forensic Pathology • Male • Age 63

...

MEDICAL SCHOOL

Upstate Medical University/ College of Health Professions

http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-erik-mitchell-w5lwc/background-check

The State University of New York Upstate Medical University is a SUNY health sciences university located primarily in the University Hill district of Syracuse, New York. SUNY Upstate is an upper-division transfer and graduate college with degree programs within the College of Medicine, College of Nursing, College of Health Professions, and the College of Graduate Studies. Its Syracuse campus includes Upstate University Hospital.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_University_of_New_York_Upstate_Medical_University

 

[Dogface]

I've had several from horse and bike wrecks........it took a while to get my bearings. And the pain was BAD. Ruptured veins in my eye that massed over my iris and pupil. Swelling and discoloration that went from one side of my head to the other. Surgery.

So maybe Wilson had the "minor" end of the spectrum?:thinking:

I think everyone responds to pain different, and according to the situation they are in. When there is still a threat if harm, IMO, you don't even recognize the pain. It's not until you have a moment to assess the damage do you realize how bad something hurts.

 

[Lovejac]

Guy on Fox right now is saying that he had orbital blowout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt1hGm1ppEo

Prosecutor would not confirm or deny. Seems like they would deny if it was not true.

Thanks for posting this. It sounds as if Office Wilson has 2 separate injuries. The reporter said 'swelling to his face and head'.

I'm wonder if the injury to his head came from when MB slammed the vehicle door on him.

Also, not fair that the Wilson supporter was escorted away by police for her 'own safety'. She did appear to be a little antagonistic, though :giggle: But not NEAR as bad as what we've seen of the other protesters.

 

[Trident]

"Severe injuries" and "orbital fracture of the eye socket" or "orbital blow out"........and the officer didn't call for back up and was physically ok to get out of his vehicle to pursue MB?

Seriously.........have any of you ever witnessed or had the combination of the above? The pain is excruciating. Your nerve endings and mind are totally scrambled. It's an explosion in your head. Why didn't Wilson stay in his vehicle and call in a "officer down"?

Wilson is either Superman or spends his spare time at a boxing ring.

This whole situation is like a game of "telephone", each time it's repeated, it gets more an more unbelievable.

Back up a minute and think how difficult it is to throw a punch through a window of an SUV, and actually "connect" to a target with any sort of damage.
I still believe Wilson got hit with the window's door frame when it bounced back off of MB and his friend. Wilson was opening the door to get out of his SUV FAST.

It's not hard at all. An ex-boyfriend of mine, 6'3", about 285 lbs beat a guy bloody through an open car window. He made it look easy; I had to talk him out of doing more damage.