MO - Kara Kopetsky, 17 - 2007; Jessica Runions, 21 - 2016; found deceased - *ARREST*

[Scout87]

Named in media and incarcerated so this should be OK to post. https://www.facebook.com/jessep.carter

Carter is JC and KY's mom's side of the family.

Note that Crystal uses an alias on FB but her url is her name and middle name.

I've been waiting a long time for his name to be front and center in this case. I've suspected he was the one KY hitched a ride from. That's why Jessica's car was parked outside grandpa's house all afternoon Friday after she went missing. KY was waiting for big brother to come help him out as he couldn't piece together an alibi with the people he was texting earlier in the morning after they left that party. I really believe it won't be too much longer now before the results of the identity of those remains comes back and charges are filed. I think that's the missing piece they're waiting for.

 

[Claireishere]

I've been waiting a long time for his name to be front and center in this case. I've suspected he was the one KY hitched a ride from. That's why Jessica's car was parked outside grandpa's house all afternoon Friday after she went missing. KY was waiting for big brother to come help him out as he couldn't piece together an alibi with the people he was texting earlier in the morning after they left that party. I really believe it won't be too much longer now before the results of the identity of those remains comes back and charges are filed. I think that's the missing piece they're waiting for.

I think they will wait to charge him closer to the court date. Unless they have rock hard evidence, which I doubt due to the passage of time. I think they will spend the time until his october court date methodically building a case.

 

[Beetlegeuze]

I'm obviously hoping this scenario won't happen but can anyone tell me what would happen if they don't find enough hard evidence on time when the court date for burning the car comes along? I don't think I've ever heard of/read about a case where someone is incarcerated for one thing but being suspected of yet another thing without being indicted yet.

 

[Claireishere]

I'm obviously hoping this scenario won't happen but can anyone tell me what would happen if they don't find enough hard evidence on time when the court date for burning the car comes along? I don't think I've ever heard of/read about a case where someone is incarcerated for one thing but being suspected of yet another thing without being indicted yet.

If you google it you'll find a number of cases where people are serving time for one crime and on their release date they are arrested either right before or right after being released. The reason it's done is they assume as long as they are locked away they can't hurt anyone else. So in that time they are able to process all of their evidence and piece it together so they have a solid case built without relying to heavily on circumstantial evidence.

So in the case of KY they may feel they have a good case for JR but only a circumstantial with KK so they will charge him with JR and wait and build the case for KK. It's so double jeopardy doesn't happen. Because they get the one shot to charge him, one shot to convince a jury of his his guilt and if they don't get a guilty he walks free never to be charged with any connection To JR or KKs death. That being said I think if they don't feel they can get a guilty verdict they will wait to charge KY. However since they arrested CJ I feel it's likely they have a pretty good case established, and right now are pushing for some admissions from CJ and offering him a reduced sentence in exchange for his cooperation.

 

[Claireishere]

https://www.google.com/amp/pix11.co...-2004-cold-case-slaying-of-brooklyn-girl/amp/

 

[Scout87]

I think they will wait to charge him closer to the court date. Unless they have rock hard evidence, which I doubt due to the passage of time. I think they will spend the time until his october court date methodically building a case.

It's possible they'll wait until they take him to court for burning the car, get a guilty conviction, and then charge him with murder. They may charge him for one murder to start with. I can only hope that they are doing their due diligence. I think that they are. I cannot fathom this monster walking free without being served the justice he deserves. Or roaming the streets again so close to where I live. I also have family in the Belton and Camdenton areas. Gives me the creeps to think about. If he goes free, there's no doubt in my mind he will become a serial killer. I don't think he'll ever walk free in the sense that you and I do. I think he'd always be looking over his shoulder. There's too many people in Kansas and Missouri who hate him for him to truly be free. And he'll have a hard time going undetected with the tattoos all over his neck and body. But just the thought of him getting out makes my stomach churn a little.

 

[wizard21]

When I read the story of JC, Crystal and KY being pulled over, I don't recall getting a time on that traffic stop. Only information I have is that they were pulled over on the same day as the burned vehicle. Does anyone know? They did say that they were being cited for a burned out plate light, which makes me think it was at night time.

 

[Scout87]

When I read the story of JC, Crystal and KY being pulled over, I don't recall getting a time on that traffic stop. Only information I have is that they were pulled over on the same day as the burned vehicle. Does anyone know? They did say that they were being cited for a burned out plate light, which makes me think it was at night time.

I haven't seen anything about a specific time. Articles on the subject seem to only state it was the same day that the car was found burned.

You can find specific info about the pending charges on Missouri case.net under JC's name. See dates 9/10/2016 and 4/26/2017 under the location Henry County Circuit Court after searching his name.

The car was found just before 2am September 10th.
Jessica Runions KCPD Timeline: http://kcmo.gov/police/media-public...r-missing-woman-jessica-runions/#.WQjY-VKZMnU

Now, if you take that info and look at a map, you can see that from the area on Blue River Road near where the car was found to the area where JC and KY were pulled over in the 400 block of Northeast highway 2 in Windsor, it would be about an hour and twenty minute drive.

Map from KC to Windsor: https://goo.gl/maps/dkpAektCff42

Info on 9/10/2016 Traffic Stop: http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...ffic-stop-day-jessica-runions-car-found-burnt
More Info here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article147336909.html

Based on this information, and assuming that the car was burned around midnight and that they left directly after, it would put them at the traffic stop in Windsor around 1:30am, depending on if they had to stop somewhere for gas, food, etc.

If they had to pick up their front seat passenger somewhere, or if they burned the car closer to 2am, it may put them closer to somewhere between 2 and 3am, and then arriving in Edwards, MO about an hour or so later as the distance from Windsor to Edwards is about 50 minutes, give or take time for stops for food, etc. plus the time the traffic stop would have taken.

Map from Windsor to Edwards: https://goo.gl/maps/uaDbvh7E1rk
Combined map of the three locations: https://goo.gl/maps/vViEV8YimtC2

Remember the Dollar Tree bags in the trailer where KY was arrested and the bucket of KFC chicken sitting outside the door in the videos done by media directly after the arrest. They stopped at least two places, and probably also a third at a gas station. I'd day the Dollar Tree stop may have come after they arrived in Edwards, though, with someone leaving and then coming back to the trailer, as I don't think any of them are open until at least 9am.

I personally believe the car was burned right around midnight and then found around 2 - I think they were waiting for it to be totally dark and late enough that not much traffic would be on the streets. I don't think they would have stuck around after they burned the car, hence my belief that the traffic stop would have happened in the couple of hours immediately following around 1:30 or 2am, which would then put them arriving in Edwards somewhere around 3 or 4am. I think they also wanted to arrive there under the cover of the night to avoid detection.

All of this of course is just my own opinion and deductions based on the information we have. And there may be an article somewhere that states the exact time, making this a waste of time

 

[MAVLEY]

I haven't seen anything about a specific time. Articles on the subject seem to only state it was the same day that the car was found burned.

You can find specific info about the pending charges on Missouri case.net under JC's name. See dates 9/10/2016 and 4/26/2017 under the location Henry County Circuit Court after searching his name.

The car was found just before 2am September 10th.
Jessica Runions KCPD Timeline: http://kcmo.gov/police/media-public...r-missing-woman-jessica-runions/#.WQjY-VKZMnU

Now, if you take that info and look at a map, you can see that from the area on Blue River Road near where the car was found to the area where JC and KY were pulled over in the 400 block of Northeast highway 2 in Windsor, it would be about an hour and twenty minute drive.

Map from KC to Windsor: https://goo.gl/maps/dkpAektCff42

Info on 9/10/2016 Traffic Stop: http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...ffic-stop-day-jessica-runions-car-found-burnt
More Info here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article147336909.html

Based on this information, and assuming that the car was burned around midnight and that they left directly after, it would put them at the traffic stop in Windsor around 1:30am, depending on if they had to stop somewhere for gas, food, etc.

If they had to pick up their front seat passenger somewhere, or if they burned the car closer to 2am, it may put them closer to somewhere between 2 and 3am, and then arriving in Edwards, MO about an hour or so later as the distance from Windsor to Edwards is about 50 minutes, give or take time for stops for food, etc. plus the time the traffic stop would have taken.

Map from Windsor to Edwards: https://goo.gl/maps/uaDbvh7E1rk
Combined map of the three locations: https://goo.gl/maps/vViEV8YimtC2

Remember the Dollar Tree bags in the trailer where KY was arrested and the bucket of KFC chicken sitting outside the door in the videos done by media directly after the arrest. They stopped at least two places, and probably also a third at a gas station.

I personally believe the car was burned right around midnight and then found around 2 - I think they were waiting for it to be totally dark and late enough that not much traffic would be on the streets. I don't think they would have stuck around after they burned the car, hence my belief that the traffic stop would have happened in the couple of hours immediately following around 1:30 or 2am, which would then put them arriving in Edwards somewhere around 3 or 4am. I think they also wanted to arrive there under the cover of the night to avoid detection.

All of this of course is just my own opinion and deductions based on the information we have. And there may be an article somewhere that states the exact time, making this a waste of time

Great information!!! Thank you for putting this together for us. I looked for anything stating the time and I couldn't find it either.

I agree with your timeline but I thought read somewhere that the owner of the trailer in Edwards appeared to have been broken into before and looked like someone was staying there. I don't believe it gave a time range but the Dollar Tree bag could have been from a previous visit if he had been staying there. That doesn't really change the timeline much but could change the number of stops/times caught on camera. Also, I don't know of any dollar trees that are open at that time but I also live south of that area so it could change.

 

[Vail]

The car was burned late Friday night or before 2am Saturday the 10th when it was found (just going on how long a car burns before someone sees it and the fact they probably did it after dark) - the same night FL was driving around with him, supposedly. The traffic stop happens on the 10th sometime. He was not arrested until 8:30am Sunday morning the 11th so there is over 24 hours between these events where he could have been travelling. I agree that this stop makes sense in the timeline if JC was his driver, and if the police report somehow tipped off LE to KY's whereabouts/direction of travel or if that was as simple as a phone ping.

I just seem to remember a FB comment from a woman claiming to be the mother of a boy found with Kylr that morning and that comment was not from CJR, so there could be a third person here. I also don't see why Crystal would be along for this ride or involved by JC when she has kids at home.

 

[skibaboo]

I haven't seen anything about a specific time. Articles on the subject seem to only state it was the same day that the car was found burned.

You can find specific info about the pending charges on Missouri case.net under JC's name. See dates 9/10/2016 and 4/26/2017 under the location Henry County Circuit Court after searching his name.

The car was found just before 2am September 10th.
Jessica Runions KCPD Timeline: http://kcmo.gov/police/media-public...r-missing-woman-jessica-runions/#.WQjY-VKZMnU

Now, if you take that info and look at a map, you can see that from the area on Blue River Road near where the car was found to the area where JC and KY were pulled over in the 400 block of Northeast highway 2 in Windsor, it would be about an hour and twenty minute drive.

Map from KC to Windsor: https://goo.gl/maps/dkpAektCff42

Info on 9/10/2016 Traffic Stop: http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...ffic-stop-day-jessica-runions-car-found-burnt
More Info here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article147336909.html

Based on this information, and assuming that the car was burned around midnight and that they left directly after, it would put them at the traffic stop in Windsor around 1:30am, depending on if they had to stop somewhere for gas, food, etc.

If they had to pick up their front seat passenger somewhere, or if they burned the car closer to 2am, it may put them closer to somewhere between 2 and 3am, and then arriving in Edwards, MO about an hour or so later as the distance from Windsor to Edwards is about 50 minutes, give or take time for stops for food, etc. plus the time the traffic stop would have taken.

Map from Windsor to Edwards: https://goo.gl/maps/uaDbvh7E1rk
Combined map of the three locations: https://goo.gl/maps/vViEV8YimtC2

Remember the Dollar Tree bags in the trailer where KY was arrested and the bucket of KFC chicken sitting outside the door in the videos done by media directly after the arrest. They stopped at least two places, and probably also a third at a gas station. I'd day the Dollar Tree stop may have come after they arrived in Edwards, though, with someone leaving and then coming back to the trailer, as I don't think any of them are open until at least 9am.

I personally believe the car was burned right around midnight and then found around 2 - I think they were waiting for it to be totally dark and late enough that not much traffic would be on the streets. I don't think they would have stuck around after they burned the car, hence my belief that the traffic stop would have happened in the couple of hours immediately following around 1:30 or 2am, which would then put them arriving in Edwards somewhere around 3 or 4am. I think they also wanted to arrive there under the cover of the night to avoid detection.

All of this of course is just my own opinion and deductions based on the information we have. And there may be an article somewhere that states the exact time, making this a waste of time

Scout, I have the traffic stop at a slightly different spot. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@38.5422632,-93.5385259,3a,75y,198.32h,80.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4Rmp9HbvXfoSQxuS6XkNtA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

I have gone by the accompanying photograph in the article to help locate it. Spotted in the 400 block (the left marker) stopped in the 1000 block (right marker, shown in pic)

Case Map

 

[Scout87]

Great information!!! Thank you for putting this together for us. I looked for anything stating the time and I couldn't find it either.

I agree with your timeline but I thought read somewhere that the owner of the trailer in Edwards appeared to have been broken into before and looked like someone was staying there. I don't believe it gave a time range but the Dollar Tree bag could have been from a previous visit if he had been staying there. That doesn't really change the timeline much but could change the number of stops/times caught on camera. Also, I don't know of any dollar trees that are open at that time but I also live south of that area so it could change.

Not a problem! You're right, it's possible that they didn't stop anywhere except maybe to fill up on gas. They may not have stopped anywhere. It's possible that JC had a few gas cans filled up in the back of that truck so that they wouldn't have to stop. Remember the post from heavy.com "The gas man is the mastermind." He may have wanted to completely avoid detection. And it's clear to me that KY used quite a bit of accelerant when he burned that car so I think it was probably a gas can he used to douse it. He wasn't prepared for the flashback given the burns on his hands and face.

I wish we knew more about what the police officer observed during that traffic stop.

I looked it up after posting earlier and noticed it looks like most Dollar Trees don't open until 9am, so maybe the bags were already in the trailer or maybe that's what KY was doing in the period of time that he was waiting for JC to come help him get out of town. I think they were trying to be as inconspicuous as possible (minus the craziness of the traffic stop) as it seems they waited for midnight to burn the car and leave so they may not have wanted to stray too far from their plan. I remember when they first showed the inside of the trailer it struck me as odd that LE didn't collect that stuff as evidence, which sort of tells me that maybe the receipts were from an earlier date. All I do know is that they took KY to that trailer for him to hide out until things cooled down with the investigation in KC. It wasn't well thought out.

 

[Scout87]

Scout, I have the traffic stop at a slightly different spot. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@38.5422632,-93.5385259,3a,75y,198.32h,80.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4Rmp9HbvXfoSQxuS6XkNtA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

I have gone by the accompanying photograph in the article to help locate it. Spotted in the 400 block (the left marker) stopped in the 1000 block (right marker, shown in pic)

Case Map

I'm sorry! I knew it was 1000 (it says it right in one of those articles, what I'm thinking who knows at this point) So many numbers and facts I'm getting things confused. And I didn't just do it once, I did it two or three times. Goodness. Thanks for pointing it out for me! I'd fix it if it'd let me. Just so long as everyone knows that it's the general area where they were stopped in Windsor, possibly sometime between 1:30am and 2:30am or so depending on the stops they may have made. And that I was an idiot when I pieced my maps together. Thanks again!

 

[Scout87]

The car was burned late Friday night or before 2am Saturday the 10th when it was found (just going on how long a car burns before someone sees it and the fact they probably did it after dark) - the same night FL was driving around with him, supposedly. The traffic stop happens on the 10th sometime. He was not arrested until 8:30am Sunday morning the 11th so there is over 24 hours between these events where he could have been travelling. I agree that this stop makes sense in the timeline if JC was his driver, and if the police report somehow tipped off LE to KY's whereabouts/direction of travel or if that was as simple as a phone ping.

I just seem to remember a FB comment from a woman claiming to be the mother of a boy found with Kylr that morning and that comment was not from CJR, so there could be a third person here. I also don't see why Crystal would be along for this ride or involved by JC when she has kids at home.

I remember that as well. Perhaps that third person was already at the trailer? Or that he came into the picture after KY arrived. The neighbors had said it seemed someone had been coming and going, breaking into the trailer. Maybe it was this third potential person that was doing that. Maybe that's how the KFC and Dollar Tree items got there? Who knows. And maybe the kids were with grandma or something? I think that LE probably ran the name through the system and came up with KY's name with the traffic stop and then started pinging phones. I don't know. This is a really sporadic thought process reading it back. Hope it makes sense.

 

[Vail]

This is a really sporadic thought process reading it back. Hope it makes sense.

It is a good one!

I think it is very likely JC helped KY torch the car and that KY confessed some or all to him. The traffic stop is yet another key to helping us piece together what may have happened Saturday.

KY did not go back the tattoo shop, right? Those guys just met themselves to decide not to hire him that day?

 

[Scout87]

It is a good one!

I think it is very likely JC helped KY torch the car and that KY confessed some or all to him. The traffic stop is yet another key to helping us piece together what may have happened Saturday.

KY did not go back the tattoo shop, right? Those guys just met themselves to decide not to hire him that day?

From what I can tell, KY did not go back to the tattoo shop. From the link below, it says that the owners met and decided not to hire Yust. It sounds more like a meeting where the employers were going over people they've interviewed and deciding on the best fit for the job.
http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/police-looking-for-21-year-old-missing-woman-from-raytown

 

[Scout87]

New article today for Kara. It's officially ten years since she was reported missing. Hoping her family gets the answers they have been waiting for soon. lease:

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...y-continues-as-family-feels-closer-to-answers

 

[MAVLEY]

New article today for Kara. It's officially ten years since she was reported missing. Hoping her family gets the answers they have been waiting for soon. lease:

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...y-continues-as-family-feels-closer-to-answers

Prayers for Kara's family today! Let's hope they get DNA results back so we can get Justice!!

 

[wizard21]

My first reaction when I read the police report. Why would anyone speed up going up to 70mph, cross both the median and shoulder lines and then slow down and pull over? You have to wonder, if they were ditching a key piece of evidence. Very possible considering it was on a country road in the middle of the night and the officer just never picked up on it. Probably wouldn't hurt to search the area from the time they sped up until the time they got pulled over.

 

[Scout87]

My first reaction when I read the police report. Why would anyone speed up going up to 70mph, cross both the median and shoulder lines and then slow down and pull over? You have to wonder, if they were ditching a key piece of evidence. Very possible considering it was on a country road in the middle of the night and the officer just never picked up on it. Probably wouldn't hurt to search the area from the time they sped up until the time they got pulled over.

Good points! I thought it was kind of an odd place for them to be pulled over, too. It's mainly residential. Looks like there's a few businesses around and a school, lots of what looks to be farm land. But overall it seemed strange to me for them to go through Windsor.

They could have basically gone US-71 S from Kansas City and merged onto MO-7 and followed it down to Edwards for a fairly straight shot through, give or take a few merges and turns here and there.

Instead, they end up in Windsor and are pulled over in a relatively residential looking area in what was probably the middle of the night. The officer also stated that he first saw them in the 400 block and then pulled them over around the 1000 block of Highway 2, which looks like that would have them going back towards the northeast direction. I feel like they were in Windsor for a reason. What that is, who knows. But it seems too odd for it to be a random detour.

The more info we get, the more questions I have. :sigh:

Edit: I'm adding this zoomed map of the area between the 400 block of Northeast 2 Highway and the 1000 block where KY and JC were pulled over: https://goo.gl/maps/y9cTmw2Mept

Zooming out a little, not much stands out but Windsor Farrington Park Lake down toward the corner. It's possible I suppose they were leaving that area. But why were they in Windsor in the first place when there are seemingly easier routes. :thinking: