MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #5

[JeannaT]

I agree. I really do not see what more they can do in this immediate area that they have not done. They have talked to everybody that I am aware of here. They have stopped every car entering here and talked to them. They have entered most houses around here and did a quick look-see. They have scoured the woods multiple times by foot, atv, and with dogs. They have lifted the manhole covers and looked.

What else are they to do around here?

I think what they need to do - that they haven't - is give people an idea of what to think about.

Does anyone know anyone who just lost a baby, or is infertile and obsessed with babies, who they now have lost contact with? The person has cancelled recent plans to meet up?

Anyone who was pregnant but that was in doubt because they are odd and obsessed, who now has dropped out of sight?

 

[illinialum]

Per the Today Show video:

1. I'm sorry to say, but IMO, the father's mannerisms are just plain ODD. The way he stares just straight ahead with a blank look, showing no emotion. I just find that bizarre. MOO

2. The mother says she failed the test. And is asked which question she failed...to which she DOESN"T reply they didn't tell her which one, she responds that she "doesn't remember which question she failed". I'm sorry, but in something like this, I think you would remember, especially if you were telling the truth.

She may not want to tell the media which question she failed, but rather than say, "I don't want you to know," or "that's confidential" she stammered "I don't remember."

 

[JeannaT]

Probably trying to remember what their lawyer said to say to that question. Really I see no point in giving polys to parents when their child is first missing especially with all the emotions going through them. I'm not surprised they said the mother failed especially in her emotional state.

Well, they didn't say that to the public, they said that to her. Which seems suspect.

 

[norest4thewicked]

ooooops.....my bad.....

speaking strictly for myself.....I haven't been privvy to any interviews with detectives or seen any evidence removed from the home. I havent seen the forensic reports or any evidence taken off the computers (if there are any computers )....I don't know what the poly showed that mom took.....haven't seen a pediatrition report on baby Lisa.....don't know what the 2 boys told detectives....haven't seen any background reports on mom and dad.....

I suppose others have seen all of this. Again, sorry for the word "we"....should have said LE knows a lot more than "I" do. :seeya:

No...you can go ahead and say "we" because I totally agree with you.

 

[cluciano63]

I may be naive, but at this point, I believe LE has a reason to say and do what they say and do.

 

[chieftess]

She did not live on the same street but in the near area.

I am still looking for the video-- it was a piece that they showed on the TV station, so I'm not sure if they put all of those up or what.

From what I am seeing the local media is editing before uploading the video. Two nights ago they interviewed what they said was a next door neighbor...whose dog was barking at the reporters. The neighbor said she did not hear the dog barking the night of the kidnapping. I watched all the links from that particular station, and never saw this woman's interview again??

 

[Jacie Estes]

I know there isn't a lot of water out that way, but where is the nearest river, lake, pond, etc? How far away?

The Missouri River is nearby; 'indamiddle' will know the exact distance.

 

[JeannaT]

I'm glad you posted that; my family is from this area going back to my GG grandparents. If the men in my family were together and they were talking some people might get upset. It can take them 10 minutes and you might get 10 words out of them.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty, it's just his manner.

I know a couple from that area, (which they pronounce Kancity, btw. ;D ) and they are mirrors of this couple.

The man is an engineer and he has a permanent deer in the headlights look. He's really nice, but virtually silent, and if you ask him a question he stammers (not stuttering, just searching for words) and it takes him awhile to answer. They're eerily similar.

 

[raeann]

I agree with the "leave the jammies alone" post. The flame retardant used on the fabric smells awful even after being washed, and who wants their child sleeping in items that have been saturated with chemicals anyway? Not only are those chemicals touching their skin, they are BREATHING them in all night long. There are all kinds of "clothes" that are made from the exact same cotton knit fabric as pajamas often are.....just without the nasty chemicals on them. It just seems kind of pitiful to assume guilt for a horrible act just because the items were initially described as shorts and a shirt.

jmo

 

[Clock's Tickin]

Probably trying to remember what their lawyer said to say to that question. Really I see no point in giving polys to parents when their child is first missing especially with all the emotions going through them. I'm not surprised they said the mother failed especially in her emotional state.

Have they already lawyered up!?!

 

[JeannaT]

From what I am seeing the local media is editing before uploading the video. Two nights ago they interviewed what they said was a next door neighbor...whose dog was barking at the reporters. The neighbor said she did not hear the dog barking the night of the kidnapping. I watched all the links from that particular station, and never saw this woman's interview again??

The one with the German shepherds who are kept in the fenced yard? I don't see the video, but the text of the article is all over the place.

 

[Shelby1]

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

_____________________________________________________________________


Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)

Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]

[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3


Friday October 7, 2011

(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago

#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago

#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago


**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said it’s not necessary.


Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremy’s home (thank you Carriebean)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122

**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)

 

[ShadyLadySleuth]

I personally think parents of a missing baby are smart to "lawyer up" to guide them in how to handle the media, le, and things they are totally unprepared to deal with. Especially now that the story has gone National. To me, that does not make them seem more "guilty" but wise in a hellish situation. I can't imagine how many requests for interviews, etc. they must be getting. They know they are under a microscope and any misstep will be pounced on by the media and le. If they have told le everything they know, then it is up to le to solve this. They may be guilty as sin. A parent is usually the guilty one in cases like this. But I don't judge then for getting legal help.

 

[JeannaT]

Have they already lawyered up!?!

No, they haven't. Or anyway, there's been zero report of that.

 

[gliving]

BBM

Why? Why won't you do an interview with your local affiliates? I don't understand??

Is this part of that "media deal" they have? Which would make no sense...weren't they on the Today Show, one of the Fox morning shows & GMA this morning? How can you have a "media deal" with three separate broadcasters, but decline your local affiliates?

Some cable and satellite providers don't carry the smaller local affiliates. Better to go national and catch a larger audience. GMA is shown on KC's ABC channel. I think it was a efficient choice.

 

[kai]

I just finished watching the Today show clip from today. My brain just goes in circles trying to figure out what side of the fence I am on. I have just decided to pray for Lisa and pray that whoever knows something will just talk or bring that precious baby girl home. Someone knows.

 

[davehead21]

From what I am seeing the local media is editing before uploading the video. Two nights ago they interviewed what they said was a next door neighbor...whose dog was barking at the reporters. The neighbor said she did not hear the dog barking the night of the kidnapping. I watched all the links from that particular station, and never saw this woman's interview again??

Thanks for posting this, I think that's what happened with this piece. I may shoot an email to the local stations and see if they would be willing to put up the video about the missing dog.

 

[chieftess]

The one with the German shepherds who are kept in the fenced yard? I don't see the video, but the text of the article is all over the place.

I don't know the breed, but they were behind a chain link fence. I wasn't looking for the text, just the video...my bad. :innocent:

 

[JeannaT]

Thanks for posting this, I think that's what happened with this piece. I may shoot an email to the local stations and see if they would be willing to put up the video about the missing dog.

Or, turn a copy of the video over to the police with the neighbor's name and address -

 

[Mojen]

She did not live on the same street but in the near area.

I am still looking for the video-- it was a piece that they showed on the TV station, so I'm not sure if they put all of those up or what.

I remember seeing an interview with a neighbor with a dog but don't remember the context of what she was saying.

If this is the same interview, it is either on Channel 9 or Channel 41, I don't watch Channel 5. Hope that helps you!