Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2

[THATchick1021]

I just looked that up, oh wow. Yeah that's what I was thinking could be a possibility, especially considering the ice storm that evening.


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Yea. That one floored me. I thought for sure Kristy had met with foul play. Sometimes it really is the most mundane answer. Occams Razor and all that. Although the phone thing is throwing me for a loop.

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[ilovematt]

I know you mean no disrespect. Sadly, even people with high risk lifestyles can have unforeseen tragic accidents that may have nothing to do with their choices. When you cut through all of the drama, the fact that her car is missing, and both the GPS tracking and phone went offline that morning, suggests an accident of some sort.

Ha! I just saw your username ... my husband's name is Matt.

No, I definitely meant zero disrespect. This case has been the bain of my existence since day one. I was her in 2001 and I have that emotional pull toward this case like i always hear you guys mention on certain cases. My second conclusion guess would be accident. She is seemingly a very open, communicative person so her disappearing and having zero communication seems unlikely. However she is sharp and she seems to work very hard when she wants to accomplish something. Maybe. Idk. I hope she saw disappearing as a challenge and thus is reading this with a smirk on her beautiful face. I just meant that my gut tells me that will not be the case. Awww you are the honorary ilovematt2 🤗

 

[misslu]

Regarding her phone, family was quoted as saying her phone "was still connected to the TMobile network until 930p.m." I've never seen it worded like that. Does that mean that it just turned off at 930? If they know it was connected to the network, why no pings?

http://www.kmbc.com/article/parents-issue-plea-for-help-to-find-missing-umkc-student/8609411

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[MaxManning]

Sure. So could I. But I take each case one at a time, at face value, and I always, always get an instinct, a hunch, a feeling about what happened. An accident is my feeling here. Sometimes what I think happened doesn't make sense (even to me), but I've been right enough times it's frightening.

You could be right again. Was just saying that the rationale was smaller factor than the hunch. ie you mentioned the phone and gps going dead at same time. But that's actually not the case.

Also, the time between the gps going dead and her actually getting to an area where she could have a accident to knock out her gps and render her car lost, is problematic.

Thoughts on that?

I am having trouble finding a location where she could get in an accident that quickly and have her vehicle be gone. That's my largest problem with the scenario. Unless.... gps didn't go off until much later after the QT stop.

River seems like the one place where her car wouldn't be found easily, but that's not consistent with her phone still being active till 9:30pm.

Any thoughts on where the accident might have happened?

 

[Wisely]

Enough of this river stuff there was no accident. Would have been found by now if there was an accident and the car was not in the river. How would it get in the river and the phone still be on until 9:30pm?

 

[MaxManning]

Regarding her phone, family was quoted as saying her phone "was still connected to the TMobile network until 930p.m." I've never seen it worded like that. Does that mean that it just turned off at 930? If they know it was connected to the network, why no pings?

http://www.kmbc.com/article/parents-issue-plea-for-help-to-find-missing-umkc-student/8609411

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I agree, it would need to have pinged on something if it was connected to the network. right?

 

[Wisely]

I agree, it would need to have pinged on something if it was connected to the network. right?

How do we know it didn't ping any towers? According to the article the police were trying to subpoena records. SO that info would not yet be available.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Yea. That one floored me. I thought for sure Kristy had met with foul play. Sometimes it really is the most mundane answer. Occams Razor and all that. Although the phone thing is throwing me for a loop.

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The phone. She could have wrecked (ravine, etc), in which case the GPS would be disabled, if the car rolled her phone may have been thrown from the car, and went dead Sat evening. Maybe.

 

[Wisely]

The phone. She could have wrecked (ravine, etc), in which case the GPS would be disabled, if the car rolled her phone may have been thrown from the car, and went dead Sat evening. Maybe.

I highly doubt that is the case.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I agree, it would need to have pinged on something if it was connected to the network. right?

I'm not an expert, but here's what I found googling:

"Cell phones keep sending a signal several times a minute even though they are turned off. The only way to stop the GPS signal from a cell phone is to take out the battery, which is nearly impossible for the 75 million consumers who own an iPhone." Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-bodine/big-brother-is-definitely_b_1799521.html

 

[misslu]

One more thing: I've found Kansas City Scout is a traffic management system. They have a very active twitter feed that I was hoping to look up last weekend and see if there were any incidents/road closures etc given the weather. (Her driving pattern vs. where she was reportedly heading) But somethings off with my twitter on my phone and it won't let me scroll through to the date. If anyone wants to check it out... @KansasCityScout

There's also traffic cams on their website but I don't know the area and am totally no good with maps and directions if it's not a familiar area. So I guess I'm not much help, but wanted to point it out in case it hasn't been brought up.

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[missgulfsouth]

Enough of this river stuff there was no accident. Would have been found by now if there was an accident and the car was not in the river. How would it get in the river and the phone still be on until 9:30pm?

Working on that. And don't be so quick to discount an accident. More than once I've been told I was wrong wrong wrong, when I was right right right. You never know.

 

[MaxManning]

Why would she disable it herself? She was going to meet friends, that was known.

That's been discussed quite a bit.

She was going to meet friends at a location that she actually passed by. That part is sketchy at best.

I'd encourage you to look over this and last thread in regards to why some believed she'd turn off the gps. Such as potentially illegal situations or going somewhere she didn't want other to know where she was going.

If the gps did go off at the QT, it could have simply been related to her being paranoid about the police potentially tracking her via her gps.

Even the sketchiness of the meeting with her friends suggests illegal activity. The place they were going to meet was a strip club that closed at 3am, in a shady neighborhood.

So... there's a whole lot of speculation about that gps, and I can certainly understand the logic of a accident rendering it disabled. But I can also see the logic of her just disabling it at the QT as they seem to indicate was the case.

Sometimes people are incredibly vague when they are involved in illegal activity. Sometimes they are paranoid as well... I'd imagine a pullover by a cop preceding the QT stop, only adds to that probability of being paranoid.

 

[monkeypants]

I know you mean no disrespect. Sadly, even people with high risk lifestyles can have unforeseen tragic accidents that may have nothing to do with their choices. When you cut through all of the drama, the fact that her car is missing, and both the GPS tracking and phone went offline that morning, suggests an accident of some sort.

Ha! I just saw your username ... my husband's name is Matt.

I think I'm going to disagree with you (believe it or not! Lol) the car missing doesn't automatically trigger accident to me. Not to mention the phone died at 930 that night and tracker died before 5am. It's low on my list after looking at everyone's maps. I think she did disconnect her tracker and did meet up with some people and whatever happened whether they killed her or she OD or whatever happened and they ditched her car.

Or alternately she bolted with a sugar daddy.

Imo of course.

 

[MaxManning]

It has happened many, many times that a car has gone off the road and isn't found until much later. There were icy conditions that morning, especially to the north, so if she had headed north she could easily be at the bottom of a ravine somewhere. Not necessarily underwater.

This is a very plausible scenario. In fact, if I was in the area I would want to go looking. The only difficulty is that nobody knows what direction she was headed in.

I agree that a ravine makes more sense.

I'm going to look closer at the area between QT and the KCI airport for potential accident locations. I'd imagine they'd be right off that main road. Unless she went off that main road to a residence.

 

[heartgoesout]

All that money rolling in one would think she'd have a better ride than a Ford Focus. Nice reliable car, but not the flashy lifestyle car one with all that money rolling in would be rollin' in.

 

[missgulfsouth]

That's been discussed quite a bit.

She was going to meet friends at a location that she actually passed by. That part is sketchy at best.

I'd encourage you to look over this and last thread in regards to why some believed she'd turn off the gps. Such as potentially illegal situations or going somewhere she didn't want other to know where she was going.

If the gps did go off at the QT, it could have simply been related to her being paranoid about the police potentially tracking her via her gps.

Even the sketchiness of the meeting with her friends suggests illegal activity. The place they were going to meet was a strip club that closed at 3am, in a shady neighborhood.

So... there's a whole lot of speculation about that gps, and I can certainly understand the logic of a accident rendering it disabled. But I can also see the logic of her just disabling it at the QT as they seem to indicate was the case.

Sometimes people are incredibly vague when they are involved in illegal activity. Sometimes they are paranoid as well... I'd imagine a pullover by a cop preceding the QT stop, only adds to that probability of being paranoid.

I *might* believe that, if she had a habit of disabling it ... since pretty much everywhere she went and everything she did seems like fifty shades of shady. Tracking records would show a pattern of voluntary disabling. Otherwise, I think she'd be meh about it. JMO

 

[monkeypants]

All that money rolling in one would think she'd have a better ride than a Ford Focus. Nice reliable car, but not the flashy lifestyle car one with all that money rolling in would be rollin' in.

Money rolling in is relative. My guess is she spends it as fast as she gets it.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I think I'm going to disagree with you (believe it or not! Lol) the car missing doesn't automatically trigger accident to me. Not to mention the phone died at 930 that night and tracker died before 5am. It's low on my list after looking at everyone's maps. I think she did disconnect her tracker and did meet up with some people and whatever happened whether they killed her or she OD or whatever happened and they ditched her car.

Or alternately she bolted with a sugar daddy.

Imo of course.

You can disagree, friend ... it's not a contest. Hey, I'm BACK!!! xo

 

[MaxManning]

It has happened many, many times that a car has gone off the road and isn't found until much later. There were icy conditions that morning, especially to the north, so if she had headed north she could easily be at the bottom of a ravine somewhere. Not necessarily underwater.

This is a very plausible scenario. In fact, if I was in the area I would want to go looking. The only difficulty is that nobody knows what direction she was headed in.

I think still the largest issue I have with any accident though, is the gps going off reportedly at the QT.

If it could be verified as to how exact that is, and that it didn't happen till even 5-10 minutes later, I'd be so much more receptive to the idea of a accident.

But... as it is, with gps going off at QT, that makes my mind go to it being more likely something shady was up.