Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2

[MaxManning]

I'm not saying that her disappearance wasn't connected to a drug deal but if it was I don't think it took place at a QuikTrip. The reason why is I would give it maybe 80 - 85% chance that you will encounter police officers / law enforcement if you pulled into a QuikTrip in the KC metro area.

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I am coming around to that opinion as well. I don't think the QT was her destination, or if it it was... showing up with a cop behind you is gonna cancel out any kind of shady meeting.

I keep looking over at Argosy area. There's been documented shadiness in that area and to the northwest according to crime maps I have been looking at. NW from argosy, there is a lot of industrial/warehouse type buildings.

To the NW a bit further you have Platte Woods, which is the area to the northwest I was referring to. Alot of car theft and thefts in general. Also some assaults. Comparing that to the area where Toni was last seen, is like night and day imo based on this data, which I am not sure if it's all inclusive.


Further... on the morning of jan 15th at 2am there is a report of a poss/sale of drugs. Also at 2am is an assault. At 11pm a car theft. The drugs report is just a bit north of 152 on North Green Hills rd.

Not saying anything about these being connected, but rather to show their is this kind of activity in that area.

The poss/sale of drugs, is also less than a mile from where I believe Misty Creed was supposed to be going to eat on 1/22 when she disappeared.

So... I am still looking at much of what I have said, and I don't want to say it's connected, but just wanted to show that if Toni was heading north, this area could have been a destination.

I'm looking to see if I can find more about the drug arrest on 1/15 and if that potentially yields anything worthwhile to look into.

If anyone wants to look at what I am looking at and get a good idea of the types of crimes in KC area, you can go to https://www.crimereports.com/

I don't get the sense that it's all inclusive, but certainly worth checking out. You can filter by date ranges. I filtered to 1/10 - 1/24 to give me an idea of recent activity.

 

[Lawdini01234]

Here's a diagram I made showing where she is on the first part of the video. This is where she was actually stopped, on W 26 Ave. A full discussion can be found on page 45 of this thread. Blue car is the police, and yellow is Toni.

Hmmm so I'm not seeing much in places to go near W 26th, what she was possibly over there for. Plus an improper lane change? Where exactly then if she was on 26th? Because I'm not seeing any road markings that would call for being pulled over. Maybe I need to look back at this and see if it's been posted already.

 

[Hraefn]

http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/18/police...ans-steps-after-traffic-stop-with-nkc-police/

Kansas City Police Department spokesperson Darin Snapp says 20-year-old Toni Anderson got off work around 4:15 a.m. Sunday and was later pulled over by a North Kansas City police officer near the QuikTrip at 9-Highway and 20th Avenue for an illegal lane change.

“She stated to the officer that she was almost out of gas ... there’s a QT real close,” said Officer Darin Snapp, a spokesman with the Kansas City Police Department. “The officer gave her a warning and watched her go to QT, and that’s the last place that we have seen her.”
another article:
"Improper lane change is what she was stopped for. She stated to the officer that she was almost out of gas. There's a QuikTrip real close," Snapp said. Snapp said the officer then directed Toni to that gas station.


IMO the wording of "real close" is not the same as right there, as in there is a QT right here.

pulled over by a North Kansas City police officer near the QuikTrip at 9-Highway and 20th Avenue for an illegal lane change.

I don't even think the quote is referring to the intersection of the traffic stop, I think it's referring to the intersection of the QuikTrip.

Pulled over (verb)
By (preposition) officer (object of preposition)
near (preposition) QuikTrip (object of preposition)
at (preposition) 9 Highway and 20th avenue (object of preposition)
for (preposition) illegal lane change (object of preposition)

I think the prepositional phrase beginning with "near" refers to where the traffic stop occurred, and the prepositional phrase beginning with "at" refers to the approximate location of the QuikTrip. I don't think we can honestly say it's been reported where the traffic stop occurred. I am SO detail oriented though I may be making things harder than they should be.

 

[Plombage]

I've complained about this several times as well for this case. We have no primary sources. Normally there are police releases you can consult. Sometimes the family give good info. Everything in this case has been via the media, which is notoriously unreliable. They all just report what each other reported. So if one source gets something wrong, that misinformation gets widely disseminated.

I agree with you and you have me now second guessing the traffic stops location. I just don't get why the police didn't say we pulled her over on 26th unless the want someone to believe it was some where else.

O/T I have lived in KC for 42 years and drove Burlington daily in to downtown and back for 7 years.

 

[Subiechik21]

More importantly, since has car has not been found, one of these places could be where her car is located. If she's with it or not.

If I was family and friends I would be checking all this out!!!

Very true Lawdini, great thought!

 

[Lawdini01234]

I see what you saying but even so she could have crossed back in front of the building between it and the pumps and hit 26th.

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She very well could have but the video cuts off after we see the vehicle make the left and then brake, so we don't know.

JMO and what I would do, if she was going to continue back out on E 26th then just cut the wheel right and head out that way

 

[heartgoesout]

Yes she was pulled over around 4:20. The camera indicates it was a 7min stop and her card was declined at QT at 4:33, so this was the first time she was pulled over.

There is no way of knowing if she was pulled over after that by an imposter, but this was the cited pullover. At 26th & Burlington.

Well this makes so much more sense if the traffic stop was not at 20th which is where I've been figuring. So much more sense. The times now make sense. Thank you for explaining the first part of the video. I think. LoL

 

[Plombage]

I am coming around to that opinion as well. I don't think the QT was her destination, or if it it was... showing up with a cop behind you is gonna cancel out any kind of shady meeting.

I keep looking over at Argosy area. There's been documented shadiness in that area and to the northwest according to crime maps I have been looking at. NW from argosy, there is a lot of industrial/warehouse type buildings.

To the NW a bit further you have Platte Woods, which is the area to the northwest I was referring to. Alot of car theft and thefts in general. Also some assaults. Comparing that to the area where Toni was last seen, is like night and day imo based on this data, which I am not sure if it's all inclusive.


Further... on the morning of jan 15th at 2am there is a report of a poss/sale of drugs. Also at 2am is an assault. At 11pm a car theft. The drugs report is just a bit north of 152 on North Green Hills rd.

Not saying anything about these being connected, but rather to show their is this kind of activity in that area.

The poss/sale of drugs, is also less than a mile from where I believe Misty Creed was supposed to be going to eat on 1/22 when she disappeared.

So... I am still looking at much of what I have said, and I don't want to say it's connected, but just wanted to show that if Toni was heading north, this area could have been a destination.

I'm looking to see if I can find more about the drug arrest on 1/15 and if that potentially yields anything worthwhile to look into.

If anyone wants to look at what I am looking at and get a good idea of the types of crimes in KC area, you can go to https://www.crimereports.com/

I don't get the sense that it's all inclusive, but certainly worth checking out. You can filter by date ranges. I filtered to 1/10 - 1/24 to give me an idea of recent activity.

9 highway turns towards the west and continues into Parkville which is overall a safer area also Park Universty is in Parkville. The north part of Kansas City (north of the Missouri river) is know has the safer part of the city, yes crime does happen up here but not as much as the downtown , midtown and south parts of the metro. Don't get me wrong crime happens everywhere and there does seem to have been an uptake in car thefts up north. If she somehow ended up to the west in Kansas City, Ks then yes that is a very high crime area. If she headed to the Shady lady she would have also went through higher crime areas.

She just seems to have vanished into thin air.

 

[policyoftruth501]

I did some research as to where the idea came from that she was pulled over near 20th Avenue. It seems some early report said she was pulled over "near 9-Highway and 20th Avenue." That got widely repeated. Note that the initial report did not put her on Burlington (which is Highway 9), just "near" it. I think everybody just assumed she was on Burlington when pulled over.

As far as the 20th Avenue part goes, I think they just got it wrong. 20 vs 26. Perhaps from notes; 0 and 6 can get confused when written down.

There is absolutely no question, from the video, that she was pulled over headed east on W 26 Ave, near Burlington.

With one giant assumption: that's it's actually her on the video, and not some other traffic stop.

Why are there so many little mistakes? First this thread caught the mistake for the time she was pulled over. Now there's a discrepancy about the street number where she was pulled over. I hate to say bad policing, but it's starting to look like accuracy isn't a priority. JMO and observation.


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[AceDetective]

Hmmm so I'm not seeing much in places to go near W 26th, what she was possibly over there for. Plus an improper lane change? Where exactly then if she was on 26th? Because I'm not seeing any road markings that would call for being pulled over. Maybe I need to look back at this and see if it's been posted already.

Yeah, there's nothing on that whole side of the highway that would be open at 4:25 in the morning. If an officer sees someone leaving this area at 4:25 AM, I could easily see them coming up with any excuse they could think of to pull them over. Lack of lines could be why she got a warning.

What I also find interesting is that the timeline has Toni leaving Chrome at 4:11. That gives her exactly enough time to get to the stop location at 4:25.

 

[steelman]

Tune into tomorrow when we'll be arguing about whether the sun rises in the east, or is it 1/2 degree to the south of due east.

 

[policyoftruth501]

On another note, I think if she was either high or drunk the officer who pulled her over would have caught on to that. They are trained in that - even if they can't tell time or read a street number.


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[heartgoesout]

She leaves QT in her car. Where's the next place she gets out. Her home? Sooner? Man I wish we had this info. Let's say she pulls over somewhere in that back neighborhood of Buchanan to disable the device and text her friend and thats where's she's approached by evil doer's.

 

[MaxManning]

9 highway turns towards the west and continues into Parkville which is overall a safer area also Park Universty is in Parkville. The north part of Kansas City (north of the Missouri river) is know has the safer part of the city, yes crime does happen up here but not as much as the downtown , midtown and south parts of the metro. Don't get me wrong crime happens everywhere and there does seem to have been an uptake in car thefts up north. If she somehow ended up to the west in Kansas City, Ks then yes that is a very high crime area. If she headed to the Shady lady she would have also went through higher crime areas.

She just seems to have vanished into thin air.

I think it's possible they are looking in the wrong area

I keep pointing to argosy and north/northwest as she seemed to be heading north as a general direction compared to 2 locations she was supposed to be meeting someone.

Sometimes you simply don't find things, because you are looking in the wrong place. Searching the area near where she was last seen, 1 week later is a good example. A lot can happen in a week!

If someone was purposefully going further north than expected, I'd be more prone to think she'd continue that way till she got to her destination. I don't think the QT was a destination, but rather an alternative to a ticket.

Casino/Hotel has tons of cameras.

I'd think that around 5-6am footage from some places in the northwest would be a great idea. I think it'd have been a great idea day 1... jmo.

regardless of whether it's drug related or if she's disappearing on her own, etc


edit -- they discovered the janina vasquez footage getting into a red car at the other casino quickly.. because they looked at it

 

[cincygirl]

I'm still catching up on this thread so if this has been mentioned please disregard.

What if someone who had suspected she was an informant saw her get pulled over that night and they decided to follow her after she left the gas station.

 

[MaxManning]

I'm still catching up on this thread so if this has been mentioned please disregard.

What if someone who had suspected she was an informant saw her get pulled over that night and they decided to follow her after she left the gas station.

CI/snitch has been floated.

I still think it's a possibility. But admit that because we have so little confirmed details, there's alot of room for speculation.

But that is one thing that police would know absolutely. Would they tell us? not sure.

 

[AceDetective]

She leaves QT in her car. Where's the next place she gets out. Her home? Sooner? Man I wish we had this info. Let's say she pulls over somewhere in that back neighborhood of Buchanan to disable the device and text her friend and bags where's she's approached by evil doer's.

Her phone was allegedly connected until 9:30 PM. That's 17 hours later. If I were her parents, I would be demanding to know where it was at that time. If it was connected, surely they can tell where? (to the nearest cell tower or wifi location) How is it that after 10 days we still don't have this info?

It does make we wonder if they're working some angle. Or are they still insisting it looks voluntary?

 

[MaxManning]

Her phone was allegedly connected until 9:30 PM. That's 17 hours later. If I were her parents, I would be demanding to know where it was at that time. If it was connected, surely they can tell where? (to the nearest cell tower or wifi location) How is it that after 10 days we still don't have this info?

It does make we wonder if they're working some angle. Or are they still insisting it looks voluntary?

You'd also think they'd be able to tell if there were multiple towers it pinged off of during that 17 hours. If those towers are distant, that at least gives you an idea of the probability of the phone moving.

 

[wfgodot]

Imposter cops, the missing woman as police informant -- sorry, just don't see it.

 

[missgulfsouth]

You'd also think they'd be able to tell if there were multiple towers it pinged off of during that 17 hours. If those towers are distant, that at least gives you an idea of the probability of the phone moving.

Does a phone battery last that long without a charge if it's just laying somewhere not being used?