Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #5

[sophie taylor]

I am surprised no one has brought up previous facts that were heavily discussed here 5-6 weeks ago. I don't even know where to start so I will just remind everybody of this for now - She tried to withdraw money from an ATM two different times. That is a crucial piece of evidence.

Please elaborate. She certainly didn't try at 2525 after the traffic stop that we've seen. That's very suspicious.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I am surprised no one has brought up previous facts that were heavily discussed here 5-6 weeks ago. I don't even know where to start so I will just remind everybody of this for now - She tried to withdraw money from an ATM two different times. That is a crucial piece of evidence.

If I typed into my ATM that I wanted to withdraw $50, but didn't have the cash in my account, the ATM would reject my request, and eject my card. Then I would have to put my card back into the ATM slot to try to withdraw a lower amount or check my balance. That's two different times. Not everyone knows the precise amount in their checking account.

 

[mj312]

This is something I have been keeping in mind since first reported. Could potentially be very important.

I am surprised no one has brought up previous facts that were heavily discussed here 5-6 weeks ago. I don't even know where to start so I will just remind everybody of this for now - She tried to withdraw money from an ATM two different times. That is a crucial piece of evidence.

 

[AmyPond]

I am surprised no one has brought up previous facts that were heavily discussed here 5-6 weeks ago. I don't even know where to start so I will just remind everybody of this for now - She tried to withdraw money from an ATM two different times. That is a crucial piece of evidence.

Interesting. Some people speculate about suicide. Is it common for people to try to withdraw money so close to when they plan to kill themselves? (Unless it's a huge sum of money they are leaving to a relative but obviously that isn't the case here.)

 

[StPauliGirlK]

This is something I have been keeping in mind since first reported. Could potentially be very important.

Did she actually try to withdraw cash from an ATM, or did she use her "ATM" card to try to make a different transaction, like a gas purchase? I think some people saw the phrase "ATM card" and jumped to the conclusion that she was trying to withdraw cash. Was that EVER confirmed?

 

[Dr.Strangelove]

Interesting. Some people speculate about suicide. Is it common for people to try to withdraw money so close to when they plan to kill themselves? (Unless it's a huge sum of money they are leaving to a relative but obviously that isn't the case here.)

If she did commit suicide its possible she didn't know at that time she was going to. Or maybe there was some scenario where she owed money and didn't have enough ect. Or possibly used the money to buy drugs.

 

[sophie taylor]

This is something I have been keeping in mind since first reported. Could potentially be very important.

More important than ever before since we now know she skipped the QT and going north after being given a warning. I'm not saying she didn't go there, only that it had to happen before the stop. Their timeline is debunked.

 

[jggordo]

I am surprised no one has brought up previous facts that were heavily discussed here 5-6 weeks ago. I don't even know where to start so I will just remind everybody of this for now - She tried to withdraw money from an ATM two different times. That is a crucial piece of evidence.

Did she try to withdraw money from an ATM or attempt to buy gas? Two totally different things. Especially if you are talking about evidence.

 

[MaryG12]

I am surprised no one has brought up previous facts that were heavily discussed here 5-6 weeks ago. I don't even know where to start so I will just remind everybody of this for now - She tried to withdraw money from an ATM two different times. That is a crucial piece of evidence.

If it was a considerable amount of money - for now I think I will go with "made to look like an accident."


If that portion of Platte Landing Park is not frequented during the time period her car disappeared and she was going there to meet someone, and someone tried to chase her down.... I know how it sounds and I really do hope I am wrong.

 

[IllinoisMissing]

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...ns-car-explains-how-it-could-have-been-missed

The co-owner of Team Watters Sonar said a variety of factors led to the discovery of Anderson’s car.

Watters believes he has advanced sonar equipment that other agencies used by police may not have had.
Using sonar to find cars since 2005, he believes he has a trained eye to spot such cars that may be under water. Watters says many times a submerged car will only develop a ‘flash’ when picked up by sonar. Since it won’t look like a car on the image, you have to know what to look for.
Watters says cars that have recently been submerged are much harder for sonar to discover. The fact Anderson’s car likely sat underwater for several weeks collecting dirt and sand helped Watters pick up a slightly better image.



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[sophie taylor]

If she did commit suicide its possible she didn't know at that time she was going to. Or maybe there was some scenario where she owed money and didn't have enough ect. Or possibly used the money to buy drugs.

Ace made an awesome observation/theory about Toni being on 26th. Notice the river on the west end. She may have driven to the end and realized it was too much to drive over tracks. Not a sure thing, but a brilliant thought, no less.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.147283,-94.5812554,349m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

[sophie taylor]

Did she try to withdraw money from an ATM or attempt to buy gas? Two totally different things. Especially if you are talking about evidence.

The early reports were atm. They changed to the pump recently. The cops have lost all credibility if they had any to begin with. I was told she had $16 in her account.

 

[MaxManning]

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...ns-car-explains-how-it-could-have-been-missed

The co-owner of Team Watters Sonar said a variety of factors led to the discovery of Anderson’s car.

Watters believes he has advanced sonar equipment that other agencies used by police may not have had.
Using sonar to find cars since 2005, he believes he has a trained eye to spot such cars that may be under water. Watters says many times a submerged car will only develop a ‘flash’ when picked up by sonar. Since it won’t look like a car on the image, you have to know what to look for.
Watters says cars that have recently been submerged are much harder for sonar to discover. The fact Anderson’s car likely sat underwater for several weeks collecting dirt and sand helped Watters pick up a slightly better image.



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Would be interesting to know if the suv or the focus were something he could deem as being harder to locate. Also, it'd be interesting for them to give opinion on if the car could move 8 miles downstream in that river.

 

[Hopingtohelp]

She was pulled over by the North Kansas City Police, not the Kansas City Police. That's what caused the initial confusion. Kansas City had no record of a police stop, but that was cleared up when they checked with North Kansas City. They are separate departments.

 

[MaxManning]

On the suicide theory, just from a probability standpoint.

How common is it for someone to try and commit suicide in a location like that and via drowning themselves? I would think you'd choose a higher elevation place. For example, what happens if you don't make it down the slope and now you are injured and being tortured waiting for someone to ultimately find you. You'd choose a much higher probability situation imo. just a thought.

I don't even know how common it is for someone to commit suicide in this fashion, but I am going to guess that it's more likely a means of dumping/hiding a body/car.

I will research this, because I don't think it's implausible. But at first glance, I'd say it's far more probable that it was an accident or foul play than suicide. jmo

 

[sophie taylor]

On the suicide theory, just from a probability standpoint.

How common is it for someone to try and commit suicide in a location like that?

I don't even know how common it is for someone to commit suicide in this fashion, but I am going to guess that it's more likely a means of dumping/hiding a body/car.

I will research this, because I don't think it's implausible. But at first glance, I'd say it's far more probable that it was an accident or foul play than suicide. jmo

I am thinking suicide or foul play. Why would the cops give false information about central evidence unless they are hiding something? I think they could be hiding evidence that supports suicide or homicide.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Kccf is really a idiot.

I wonder if he ever tried to post here on Websleuths.

 

[MaxManning]

Ok, I want to post this, just so we can all look at real statistics. Again, remember that 1% still means it's happened, but that's exactly what we have here :

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

Firearm 50.9%
Suffocation/hanging 24.8%
Posioning 16.6%
...
Drowning 1.1%





This confirms my thoughts that people will choose most often the most quick/painless method.

I'm surprised that poisoning is so high, but I expect that it's in a way that puts you to sleep and kills pain etc. or car in the garage/carbon monoxide


ah yes, the * speaks :

*Of the poisoning deaths, 81% were ingestion of drugs and 15% were gas inhalation.


So, this is why I say, lets look at probability first. Not saying that 1% can't happen, but we shouldn't start with the lowest probability. imo

 

[Dr.Strangelove]

Ok, I want to post this, just so we can all look at real statistics. Again, remember that 1% still means it's happened, but that's exactly what we have here :

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide

Firearm 50.9%
Suffocation/hanging 24.8%
Posioning 16.6%
...
Drowning 1.1%





This confirms my thoughts that people will choose most often the most quick/painless method.

I'm surprised that poisoning is so high, but I expect that it's in a way that puts you to sleep and kills pain etc.


ah yes, the * speaks :

*Of the poisoning deaths, 81% were ingestion of drugs and 15% were gas inhalation.


So, this is why I say, lets look at probability first. Not saying that 1% can't happen, but we shouldn't start with the lowest probability. imo

We have some idea how she likely died we just don't know the motive/what happened. Suicide is not uncommon, so I don't think it's too far out there for a reason. JMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

The way both sides of the front window was blown out. It looks like 2 people were in the car.

Unless there was already a crack in the passenger side part of the front window?

Or maybe she tried to escape out that side.

Very sad indeed.

I remember the new teacher in Louisiana that left a bar after leaving friends.

And she was found in the Bayou a week later or so due to an accident.

But everyone at first thought it was some unknown perp.