Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #5

[MaxManning]

We have some idea how she likely died we just don't know the motive/what happened. Suicide is not uncommon, so I don't think it's too far out there for a reason. JMO

Absolutely, as I said 1% can happen. Just pointing to probability as a guide. If you lose your keys, do you go to the most probable place you'd leave them first? or the attic. that's all. It absolutely could be suicide. not impossible. jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

Would be interesting to know if the suv or the focus were something he could deem as being harder to locate. Also, it'd be interesting for them to give opinion on if the car could move 8 miles downstream in that river.

The main question is how long would her phone last once submerged under water. And which vacinity was her last ping.

So was her phone somewhat waterproof that could still stay on once being submerged in water?

Or did it die immediately at the time it became submerged.

Anyways. R.i.p.

 

[MaxManning]

The main question is how long would her phone last once submerged under water. And which vacinity was her last ping.

So was her phone somewhat waterproof that could still stay on once being submerged in water?

Or did it die immediately at the time it became submerged.

Anyways. R.i.p.

First we'd need to know if they found her phone.

A ping if from a celltower is not a gps location. So we aren't going to get a pinpoint of where she is. In fact that'd be like 20 miles potentially away.

Now, we have been told the phone last pinged that evening last -- by saying that it lost connection to tmobile network roughly 9:30PM (not certain of exact time)

But now, we have the last ping in parkville. which is it? If the phone was connected to the network late that night, then it's a great question as why the phone didn't go in the river with her in an accident situation. right?

But... we really don't know the truth about that at all.

The topic of a submerged phone came up earlier and phones can last like an hour or so without dying, however, they cannot connect to the network if on the bottom of a river.

So there are many questions, but I'd first say we ask the question of if her phone was in her car/purse etc.

If the phone did indeed ping at 9:30pm-ish. that's a pretty big detail to question, right?


ah.. love the sketchiness that is this case. lots of room to theorize anything really. Choose the fact you like best.


edit -- i should note that we have read about waterproof cases that can keep the phone functional longer, but still not gonna get a signal if 5 feet under water. So knowing if she had a waterproof case would be something worthwhile. BF might know? coworkers? I certainly know which of my family members have otterboxes etc. The phone looks drastically different.

 

[sophie taylor]

The main question is how long would her phone last once submerged under water. And which vacinity was her last ping.

So was her phone somewhat waterproof that could still stay on once being submerged in water?

Or did it die immediately at the time it became submerged.

Anyways. R.i.p.

I don't think it would ping at all and we also can't trust much about when it stopped pinging. If we believe the CWD show it stopped right after her text. If that really is true, then Parkville came from inside info.

 

[allmybecsloveme]

I saw today how she got in the river. The way it is set up makes it nearly impossible to accidentally drive in. IMO.. somebody rolled her down that short ramp.

I agree. Especially with her phone pings. A park like that would be deserted in the middle of the night and an easy place to get rid of a car and body at the same time.

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[Gunslinging Granny]

The main question is how long would her phone last once submerged under water. And which vacinity was her last ping.

So was her phone somewhat waterproof that could still stay on once being submerged in water?

Or did it die immediately at the time it became submerged.

Anyways. R.i.p.

Her phone could stay on if waterproof and submerged, but it couldn't transmit its signal through water (and murky water at that) to reach a tower. Her phone wouldn't be connected to her network when it was underwater.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I don't think it would ping at all and we also can't trust much about when it stopped pinging. If we believe the CWD show it stopped right after her text. If that really is true, then Parkville came from inside info.

Toni's mom was the source that her phone stopped pinging (was connected to her network) at 9:30pm. This was 17 hours after she got off work.

 

[MaxManning]

Ok, on the topic of why people put cars into a river or body of water?


I am still researching and looking for an actual study or statistics and so far not finding anything.

However, lots of articles like this :

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...imack-river/3t1m5xjSg9QwQnDoPlTpJO/story.html

That point to what I suspect is likely :

Car Insurance Fraud
Someone steals car/joyride/dump
Accident
Car used in crime/dump
Dump car/body to hide - similar to above, but i separated out because it's a method specific to hiding a body.
Suicide -- I put it here because it's suggested in this case, however I still point to the 1% in regards to people using it as a method of suicide.

It's actually a great method to hide all things crime related as it's usually many months or years before they get found. Why? because of the expense of finding them and pulling them out.

The list is prioritized by my probability assessment, so it's certainly not above questioning. I think 1&2 are probably close in terms of frequency. I think the rest are much lower frequency , with accident probably significantly higher than the last 3.


Accident is obviously high on the list for this case, since 1&2 are excluded.

But.. we have a SUV in the water too. Figuring out why it's there, could raise the probability of it being a dumping ground. That changes probability of foul play in this case.

Why is that SUV there?? hope they are looking into that. Car insurance fraud, more innocuous. But if that's a stolen car or one used in a crime..... Now you have to wonder if there is a connection in terms of people - even if not specifically for this case. For example if someone in this investigation has a connection to someone you can link to that car... of course you have to take a closer look at said person.

 

[Hopingtohelp]

Did she actually try to withdraw cash from an ATM, or did she use her "ATM" card to try to make a different transaction, like a gas purchase? I think some people saw the phrase "ATM card" and jumped to the conclusion that she was trying to withdraw cash. Was that EVER confirmed?

I believe she tried twice to pay for her gas with an ATM card and was denied. Then she went inside and paid for the gas with cash.

 

[MaxManning]

Toni's mom was the source that her phone stopped pinging (was connected to her network) at 9:30pm. This was 17 hours after she got off work.

Where did the mother learn that? From LE? From BF checking with cell phone company?

Again, if it's true. Certainly we have to question why the phone lost connection so far after she supposedly had an accident and became submerged in water. Also, does that mean the phone had connection all day long? or just for a moment at 9:30pm?

right? details matter. I'd love the facts, just not sure what to trust anymore

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

“It does appear they were unfamiliar with the area and just did not realize that the road terminated into a boat landing,” said the sheriff (from another case).


https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-12-14/official-4-dead-in-alabama-after-vehicle-goes-off-dock


http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2-College-Students-Southern-Illinois-Drown-Car-in-Lake-SIU-Carbondale-146584905.html


http://bangordailynews.com/2013/07/24/news/down-east/2-women-found-dead-in-submerged-car-down-east/


http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/LCSO-Several-Dead-After-Vehicle-Drives-Into-Lake-Talquin-379568461.html


http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/rescued-hikers-drown-women/2013/07/25/id/517007/

 

[StPauliGirlK]

But now, we have the last ping in parkville. which is it? If the phone was connected to the network late that night, then it's a great question as why the phone didn't go in the river with her in an accident situation. right?

There is also a possibility that neither the car nor the phone went in the river before 9:30 p.m.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Where did the mother learn that? From LE? From BF checking with cell phone company?

Again, if it's true. Certainly we have to question why the phone lost connection so far after she supposedly had an accident and became submerged in water. Also, does that mean the phone had connection all day long? or just for a moment at 9:30pm?

right? details matter. I'd love the facts, just not sure what to trust anymore

Here's the article. The Andersons sound very certain. I don't think she had an accident before 9:30 pm. I think you guys are reading statements from news sources that are more gossipy than factual.
http://www.kmbc.com/article/parents-issue-plea-for-help-to-find-missing-umkc-student/8609411

 

[StPauliGirlK]

I believe she tried twice to pay for her gas with an ATM card and was denied. Then she went inside and paid for the gas with cash.

That's what the police are saying, and I tend to believe it because it is the most obvious. There was so much back-and-forth on here about where, when, and why she may have been trying to get cash, but I don't think she ever was. I suspect a sloppy journalist or sleuth may have seen "ATM card" and thought that meant ATM. The actual bank records would contain those details.

 

[MaxManning]

“It does appear they were unfamiliar with the area and just did not realize that the road terminated into a boat landing,” said the sheriff (from another case).


https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-12-14/official-4-dead-in-alabama-after-vehicle-goes-off-dock


http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2-College-Students-Southern-Illinois-Drown-Car-in-Lake-SIU-Carbondale-146584905.html


http://bangordailynews.com/2013/07/24/news/down-east/2-women-found-dead-in-submerged-car-down-east/


http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/LCSO-Several-Dead-After-Vehicle-Drives-Into-Lake-Talquin-379568461.html


http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/rescued-hikers-drown-women/2013/07/25/id/517007/

Yep, absolutely I think this is possible. At night... roads in the park weren't likely salted, so likely icy when she tried to stop -- a boat landing is gonna have more water than most areas.

I think the boat ramp and slope are definitely higher probability than other suggestions of how the car got there. I

 

[n_6CC]

The Andersons said their daughter's phone was still connected to the T-Mobile network until around 9:30 p.m. Sunday.
http://www.kmbc.com/article/parents-issue-plea-for-help-to-find-missing-umkc-student/8609411

Her phone wouldn't be able to connect to her network if it were underwater.

That is absolutely correct. I am going to ramble out a few facts going back to square one - starting with the phone information.

1)A "ping" from a phone is a signal FROM the phone to the tower. Ex: (being used)

The last ping was around 6 a.m.

The phone is constantly communicating via internet and tower. Unless it is turned off, or in airplane mode.

2) Toni's phone was CONNECTED to the tower until 9:30p.m. Sunday night.

The phone was "ON" still until that time. Even if the phone was waterproof, it would not transmit any type of signal under water for that long.

So, at this point I am left wondering WHEN she went in to the water, and was the phone in the vehicle.

3) BF stated early on the last ping information being in that area. That information had to have come from the parents. Her parents and LE would have been given the information by T- Mobile as soon as it was requested. (This takes very little time after all paperwork is sent to T-Mobile). Could be as little as an hour. This information will not be given to just anybody. It is a Federal request for information. That is why I believe the parents must have given PS the information on the ping.

4). All dashcam video is retained for about 30 days- this might have changed in the recent past with all of the new technology. When an officer turns on his lights, the camera actively starts recording the stop. I believe this information is held longer. At any given time, even the dispatchers know the location of PD vehicles. They would know where his vehicle was and where he headed that night. I am curious about the information the lead officer provided as far as how they knew he was heading the opposite direction. I am also concerned if he did or did not call in Toni's stop that night. If he had called in the stop, it would be documented- I have not seen in any of my saved documentation that they did in fact have record of the stop. My mind tells me that he came forward and then mentioned the stop-(I could be wrong on this so I am sorry in advance).

5.) In the press conference after Toni's vehicle was found (woman officer) she makes mention of the boat dock and then retracts quickly as if that information should not have come out.

6.) The vehicle damage IMO was not substantial enough to imply rolling down the hill. (Side mirrors intact).

The phone in and of itself is a huge key in determining that the phone could not have been in the vehicle if she went into the water around 6. It is not possible IMO. She either went into the water without the phone, or went into the water at 9:30. She may have last used the phone at 6am, but transmission via apps, email, etc were still live till 9:30 when the phone went "dead".

Thoughts so far. Thx.


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[Gunslinging Granny]

There is also a possibility that neither the car nor the phone went in the river before 9:30 p.m.

That is the most likely time the car went in the river because that's when her phone connection stopped going to her network.

 

[StPauliGirlK]

Again, if it's true. Certainly we have to question why the phone lost connection so far after she supposedly had an accident and became submerged in water. Also, does that mean the phone had connection all day long? or just for a moment at 9:30pm?

Have there been any facts presented yet about when her car went in the water, or are we just assuming it happened a fairly short time after her QuikTrip stop?

I'd love to hear about the tip that supposedly came in that inspired the parents and LE to do the additional sonar search. Was it from someone who witnessed something, or just a fisherman or someone else who was using their own sonar and saw something weird that they thought they should report?

 

[sophie taylor]

Here's the article. The Andersons sound very certain. I don't think she had an accident before 9:30 pm. I think you guys are reading quotes from news sources that are more gossipy than factual.
http://www.kmbc.com/article/parents-issue-plea-for-help-to-find-missing-umkc-student/8609411

I could easily argue that other evidence such as what we heard the other day was correct. But if being connected to the network is equal to getting a ping, then that doesn't look good for an accident or suicide. I could also use 6am which seems the most consistent from reports since the beginning. I don't think cops will claim she went in the water at 930.

 

[VictoriaH]

Have there been any facts presented yet about when her car went in the water, or are we just assuming it happened a fairly short time after her QuikTrip stop?

I'd love to hear about the tip that supposedly came in that inspired the parents and LE to do the additional sonar search. Was it from someone who witnessed something, or just a fisherman or someone else who was using their own sonar and saw something weird that they thought they should report?

A local psychic told them where to look.