MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #6

[MyBelle]

Her supposed BFF (id'd in media reports) told Jessica to Fly Free on FB early the morning her death was reported. Maybe that is the kind of stuff she was talking about.

Here's what was said:
Sunday morning, I took my phone off the charger and looked at Facebook, like I almost always do, and I saw the Fly High Jessica Chambers page," Fowler said, referring to the digital memorial Chambers' friends and family had set up.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/10/woman-set-on-fire/20195725/

The only page I'm aware of that was set up by her family/friends is the Justice for Jessica page.

JMO

 

[flatfootjoe]

So you would go Vitaly Kaloyev on them? Do it, flatfoot, do it.

I'd liken it more to Gary Plauche, but you are on the right track.

 

[PastTense]

not sure what topic is off limits. not sure if I can post my content?
help?

Read Post #2 of this thread for the rules.

 

[MyBelle]

Most accelerants have very distinctive odors. When forced, or even voluntarily imbibing them, a violent vomit reflex is the usual result. Even though Jessica may have only had the chemical introduced orally, the likely result would be a near immediate emetic effect with projectile like vomiting. Vomit being expelled at that pressure usually exits orally and nasally. Even assuming that most of the accelerant was expelled or consumed as fuel, her breath probably held the odor. Think of how strong the odor of gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel and even charcoal starter fluid have when you get even a little bit on your clothing or skin. I can scrub my hands for 10 minutes with strong soap, and still smell the offending liquid afterward.

IMO I'm pretty sure it wasn't hard to smell, and more so from her breath as it's very likely that some of that fuel was preserved.

I think it may have been hard to smell considering it was co-mingling with the odors of burning flesh and smoke from the fire.

 

[distracted]

I think the 'Fly High' Facebook page pre-existed and was dedicated to Jessica's cheer leading activities.

""Fly high, Jessica," said some, a reference to the former cheerleader's aerial acrobatics, according to the Rev. Eric Greggs, one of three speakers at the 45-minute service."​

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/funeral_for_jessica_chambers_1.html

I believe her position on the cheer squad was that of "flyer". Those are the girls who go up in each pod, who are on top of the pyramid, etc. They are usually tiny like she was. You have to be very good to be a flyer.

 

[flatfootjoe]

It really is incredible to think she was able to talk... with or without anything being poured down her throat. I had a roommate in college who ingested vinegar. She later said that she thought she was going to die because of it. She said her throat seemed to close up and she couldn't swallow. I can't imagine what an accelerant would do to the throat. She may have told them what was used, or maybe they could smell something recognizable. I wonder if the liquid went into her eyes. A horrendous possibility.

I found an article on MSM a few weeks ago, where a woman was raped, forced to swallow an accelerant, set ablaze suffering serious burns to over 70% of her body. She identified her attacker by voice before she died hours later. I'm having a great deal of difficulty locating it now because my googlefu on the subject has been inundated with Jessica results.

Now I do understand that 70% is not 98%, but they are both catastrophic thermal injuries. The swelling and inflammation from thermal injury is not by any means immediate. In some cases it will take hours, and in all cases will require interstitial fluids to create the swelling. The more full thickness burns you have, the less of those fluids remain. She'd be fighting charring and blistering as the major detriment, the latter being more prevalent as internal burns aren't efficient. Oxygen would deplete rapidly during each shallow inhale/exhale after the initial burn to the bronchus. She'd have near immediate symptoms of chronic emphysema after the initial burn, her breathing would be very compromised and inefficient.

The larynx can be completely obliterated in a human being and words still uttered albeit hushed and frequently difficult to understand. I have spoken to more than one individual with a laryngectomy. It requires a lot of effort, but it is possible.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I think it may have been hard to smell considering it was co-mingling with the odors of burning flesh and smoke from the fire.

I'll agree to disagree. I don't have any way to feasibly disprove either of our opinions.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Most accelerants have very distinctive odors. When forced, or even voluntarily imbibing them, a violent vomit reflex is the usual result. Even though Jessica may have only had the chemical introduced orally, the likely result would be a near immediate emetic effect with projectile like vomiting. Vomit being expelled at that pressure usually exits orally and nasally. Even assuming that most of the accelerant was expelled or consumed as fuel, her breath probably held the odor. Think of how strong the odor of gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel and even charcoal starter fluid have when you get even a little bit on your clothing or skin. I can scrub my hands for 10 minutes with strong soap, and still smell the offending liquid afterward.

IMO I'm pretty sure it wasn't hard to smell, and more so from her breath as it's very likely that some of that fuel was preserved.

Even though I knew how brutal this crime was, your post was very hard to read, FFJ. Anyone who could do that to another human being doesn't deserve to be walking around free.

 

[flatfootjoe]

Even though I knew how brutal this crime was, your post was very hard to read, FFJ. Anyone who could do that to another human being doesn't deserve to be walking around free.

It was hard to write. The suffering that poor girl went through, it sickens me, and it angers me. A bullet to the brain would have been merciful in comparison, nearly any other form of death for that matter. The shock and disbelief that anyone could do that, to a child, because she was still a child. There is no crime on earth for which that could be considered a suitable punishment. The intimidation factor alone speaks volumes. I'll never believe that it was anything less than punitive in nature. You don't randomly or casually decide to burn someone alive. It was a message, she was an example. I don't believe in hell, but for Jessica's sake I truly wish that I'm wrong. I hope the people who did this to her suffer for the rest of their miserable existence. I can imagine if they get the death penalty, there will be no shortage of volunteers to push the switch.

Thinking about it, I wonder if there is substantial evidence, how they could possibly get anything but the death penalty. Picking a fair jury is going to be one hell of an exercise.

 

[Gunther Toody]

Just because the gas station attendant said LE told him about the flammable liquid down JC's throat doesn't make it true. LE have said they are reviewing everything and that comment has to be near the top of the list. I don't know how investigators could possibly know that early on unless Jessica told them and I bet she didn't tell them. I think doctors discovered it later.

I do not believe LE told Ali about lighter fluid down her throat.
That type of information is privileged and typically withheld as one of those "only something the offender would know" type of claims.
Cops are not qualified to make public statements like that either since there was no autopsy performed when the statement was allegedly made.

I might have missed it but did Ali say from whom he heard that...or did he just generalize that it was LE and everyone let it go?

I am beginning to think that murder was not the intention of the perpetrator. If it were, she would have been found inside the car burned beyond recognition. But she wasn't...she was allegedly out walking around the vehicle when the FD arrived.

So why burn the car?
What could it have been about the car that warranted it being destroyed, but Jessica left alive?
From what I've read, the car was found with the keys in the ignition, trans in park and emergency brake on. Seats were reclined back.
What is the significance of that, or is there any?

 

[monster]

I can't see any state, Mississippi or any other, updating any parent on the homicide investigation of their child. Suspect or not, what you're suggesting is like laying a lit match on a powder keg. Even the smallest bit of information could lead to some really irrational action. I know if she were my daughter, and they told me they had an interesting POI, I'd do anything and I do mean anything to procure that information, and they could forego any trial expense.

Any time a homicide is committed, friends and family are the first suspects, it's not unusual, I wouldn't be surprised at all if at one time they were the prime suspects. I'm sure they've been investigated pretty thoroughly already. Most parents that I know have little more than a burial expense insurance policy on their children, some don't even have that, I know I didn't. It's not something you typically plan for, as a parent, my last thought when considering my children was their mortality.

Trust me I didn't want to think that. Just didn't know how any of that worked investigation wise. Its sad that's where my mind goes to that, but I have my reasons (personal not with this case). Some people have rather hefty policies on their children, and every now and then it happens.

Someone reminded me that her father likes to do interviews and might give away a detail that should be held close to the chest, and now thats why I believe that is way they are staying mum to everyone. Im always suspicious of family in everything, its always where my mind initially goes unfortunately. I know that isn't the case here.

 

[Gunther Toody]

So here is a small conundrum.
How did Jessica's car come to be facing forward on the rollback tow truck?
If it had been driven or pushed front forward into its resting place and the tow truck pulled behind it...
The car should have been facing backward when picked up.

Not earth shattering evidence, but strange.

 

[monster]

It was hard to write. The suffering that poor girl went through, it sickens me, and it angers me. A bullet to the brain would have been merciful in comparison, nearly any other form of death for that matter. The shock and disbelief that anyone could do that, to a child, because she was still a child. There is no crime on earth for which that could be considered a suitable punishment. The intimidation factor alone speaks volumes. I'll never believe that it was anything less than punitive in nature. You don't randomly or casually decide to burn someone alive. It was a message, she was an example. I don't believe in hell, but for Jessica's sake I truly wish that I'm wrong. I hope the people who did this to her suffer for the rest of their miserable existence. I can imagine if they get the death penalty, there will be no shortage of volunteers to push the switch.

Thinking about it, I wonder if there is substantial evidence, how they could possibly get anything but the death penalty. Picking a fair jury is going to be one hell of an exercise.

We might not believe in hell, but WHEN they find this this demented, sick excuse for a person, a personal hell needs to be implemented. I say screw the chair lets bring back being drawn and quartered, but that still wouldnt be enough pain in their final moments, compared to Jessicas.

 

[monster]

So here is a small conundrum.
How did Jessica's car come to be facing forward on the rollback tow truck?
If it had been driven or pushed front forward into its resting place and the tow truck pulled behind it...
The car should have been facing backward when picked up.

Not earth shattering evidence, but strange.

Never realized that at all, but that is such a great question and observation. No way in heck that tow truck or any vehicle position their selfs in front of her vehicle. He would had to of towed it from behind.

 

[bettiepageturner]

More nearby arson: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/church-fires-in-tennessee-investigated-for-possible-arson/

So sad and scary. Ever since I first started reading about Jessica's case... I don't know if it's Baader-Meinhof or there have always been this many arsons and deaths-by-fire in the news.

 

[ZOOL]

Or just hidden in plain slight. Check out Google Street view side and rear:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...1s0x88801c1b8408d8d5:0x1055c463d9a9e4b7?hl=en

I doubt seriously that there is much in the adjacent buildings.

If you Street View the front, sides, and back, you will see that those buildings, with boarded windows etcetera, are vacant, as of June 2014, . Although the 10,000 sq. ft. steel warehouse looks "inviting", there does not appear to be any recent tracks in the grass (or dirt) to suggest activities. A general perusal of the entire M&M-vacant motel-and-warehouse setting suggests that money really is not available to anyone in Courtland to venture into those businesses. I am surprised that the owner of M&M does not expand his building, for example: A claim has been made that M&M has a sideline, fast food business in chicken!

We've seen frequent outside deliveries of small "chicken" packages to customers.

If, in fact, this is the case, a wise and prosperous entrepreneur would benefit more by opening a side take-out window adjacent to the triangular "park" where most of his customers seem to congregate. That way, the nighttime ChickenWoman in the CCTV video would be able to save many footsteps, and satisfy her hungry eaters with speedy, across-the-counter delivery.

 

[CHERIE.T]

So here is a small conundrum.
How did Jessica's car come to be facing forward on the rollback tow truck?
If it had been driven or pushed front forward into its resting place and the tow truck pulled behind it...
The car should have been facing backward when picked up.

Not earth shattering evidence, but strange.

That was discussed here very early on. Sorry , right off hand I don't recall which thread tho.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I do not believe LE told Ali about lighter fluid down her throat.
That type of information is privileged and typically withheld as one of those "only something the offender would know" type of claims.
Cops are not qualified to make public statements like that either since there was no autopsy performed when the statement was allegedly made.

I might have missed it but did Ali say from whom he heard that...or did he just generalize that it was LE and everyone let it go?

I am beginning to think that murder was not the intention of the perpetrator. If it were, she would have been found inside the car burned beyond recognition. But she wasn't...she was allegedly out walking around the vehicle when the FD arrived.

So why burn the car?
What could it have been about the car that warranted it being destroyed, but Jessica left alive?
From what I've read, the car was found with the keys in the ignition, trans in park and emergency brake on. Seats were reclined back.
What is the significance of that, or is there any?

hi,
IIRC our media thread has a link to AAs interview in which he explains when and by whom he was told about 'lighter fluid'. It's a little lengthy but worth the watch.
There's also been much discussion about keys, seat position, etc on the previous thread. HTHs

 

[CHERIE.T]

More nearby arson: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/church-fires-in-tennessee-investigated-for-possible-arson/

So sad and scary. Ever since I first started reading about Jessica's case... I don't know if it's Baader-Meinhof or there have always been this many arsons and deaths-by-fire in the news.

Baader-Meinhof....n/m ill go look it up.

 

[ZOOL]

That has bugged me to no end!! Someone had a page up before others were even waking up!! How was word spreading so quickly? I guess the first responders, LE, and Ali were already telling others and some early bird got wind of it. Still, very hard to understand. It seems like anyone who knew early on would want to wait to be sure that all family had been notified. Or, maybe it was someone in the family.

My guess here would be: A "FB friend" of Ali Alsanai began the social media snowball effect. Alsanai posted the flatbed pictures shortly near closing time of M&M (from what I have read on unacceptable conspiracy forums). The time of those posts (I believe) was somewhere between 11:15 pm - 11:35 pm.

The FB community of which Alsanai is an integral part seems to be alive in the late-evening-early-morning hours. My guess would be that Alsanai began a viral explosion which has yet to cease.

Which one of those people, specifically, is responsible for the "fly free" post would be an obvious target of good forensic investigation. But the "lead investigator", DA Champion, has said that he does not consider Internet social media worthwhile.

Thankfully though Mississippi Bureau of Investigation is well-staffed with computer forensic experts who do.