MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #6

[monster]

Could he of been using a police scanner?

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

The sounds of the emergency vehicle sirens carry quite a ways. My town, while certainly not big, is quite a bit bigger than Courtland. If I'm outside on my back porch, I can tell something is going on and the general direction of the incident based upon the sounds. In fact, a few years back, I had just gotten home from work at 3 am and took the garbage out and heard a bunch of sirens seeming to be in the direction of the next town over. Odd time around here, I thought. As I headed for bed, I hoped it wasn't anything too bad. two hours later, I got a call that my cousin had been killed in a car accident. I shudder knowing that he was dying at the same time I was taking my garbage out. I definitely think everyone in that small town knew something was wrong, but maybe not how serious it was until the helicopter was overhead. You can't miss that sound.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Ms Pragmatic ,
So sorry for your loss. :hug:

 

[MizStery]

I think your questions are great, MSCJgrad but the long, unbroken paragraph is/was difficult on my old eyes so I need to break it apart and digest each thought carefully. Overall though, I think that you have hit upon something very interesting: the timing of everything.



I will start with my thoughts on this point first:

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fftopic:
For many years I wrote software code & procedures. Also, I would get involved in finding equivilants. So I am very detailed oriented.

My work is so tedious;I frequently ask my niece who is an english/writing teacher to edit my stuff. She can make a silk purse out of a sows ear!

Zool took a post of mine in thread #5 and reworded it and it said exactly what I had intended. But shoot fire mine was so convoluted; heck even I was confused rereading it. Zools,clarity took my breath away. Zool you must be an editor in the real world.

Please, if you are lurking and want to jump in there are no prerequisites to post. Please just jump in. Trust me it doesn't take long & you will have all the confidence in the world. God blessed very few people with the gift to write well. And I was one of the unlucky who find writing very painful! :smile:MOO

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Ms Pragmatic ,
So sorry for your loss. :hug:

Thank you. His "accident" is technically an open case. There was evidence he was run off the road. Even though we all know the party responsible, he will never be brought to justice. Makes me sick.

 

[Gunther Toody]

Thank you. His "accident" is technically an open case. There was evidence he was run off the road. Even though we all know the party responsible, he will never be brought to justice. Makes me sick.

You have my sympathies as well.
Your case, just as Jessica's show glaring deficiencies the criminal investigation process.
Every public agency (LE,Fire, EMS) have their own SOP's (Standard operating procedures) that govern how they respond to calls and what their objectives are when they get there.

Unfortunately, they often conflict with one another.
In Jessica's case...Fire was the first on the scene. Their objective is to put out the fire. Whether they trample over potential crime scene evidence is irrelevant and not part of their SOP.

EMS arrives and finds Jessica with possibly smoldering clothes on and they will immediately remove them if possible. (Assuming that is what happened) and the clothing will be discarded.

All of a sudden, Jessica dies...now it becomes a homicide scene.
Yellow crime scene tape goes up and a cursory examination of the area is performed, which I understand was completed in less than an hour...in the dark.
After their exam, they order the vehicle towed and thats it.
The tow truck comes and obliterates any tire tracks, footprints, and possible evidence that Fire and EMS did not already destroy.
After much public pressure, Federal authorities step in.

Do you see the folly in this?

 

[CHERIE.T]

It's my understanding Jessica was at the hospital for 2 hours before she died.

Did I misread that info? :thinking:

 

[Gunther Toody]

If I recall...the call came out around 8:15????
If Jessica was still alive throughout this time, the police were not looking for evidence of a homicide, but arson, which they probably had no training in.
Sometime while they were on scene word came back that Jessica died...now its a homicide.
The sheriff and his deputies were finished and arrived at the M&M store at 11.
So, if we assume that Fire was on the scene until 9:00 and LE took over looking for evidence, they were there for a little less than two hours.
I don't recall what time Medivac took off with her nor how long Fire may have remained on scene.

 

[ZOOL]

Will you take his SM comments into consideration?

Tracking down Alsanai's statements and the chronology is terribly difficult as I see it right now.

I've googled the time period 12/05/2014 to 12/12/2014 with "Ali Alsanai" as a keyword, and then sorted the results according to date. But Google refuses to date-time in a chronology and insists on placing a 12/12/2014 Jackson Clarion-Ledger article first.

On the other hand, it places a WREG Dec 10 article second.

Regardless of that, I know for a fact that Action5 News was ontop of the story late-Saturday night, Dec 6, ( probably somewhere around a 10pm ActionNews broadcast), and that Action5 had a reporter, (ie. Squires) on scene early-morning, Sunday, Dec 7, reporting and saying "...last night". Her remark describes details about the burned out Kia being moved to the impound location.

Mostly everything written during the above timeline is material regurgitated from ActionNews broadcast reporting.

Action5 (as I recall) claimed to be the media which found the CCTV video, and which turned it over to authorities on Dec 9...but not before they went over the air with what they had.

(The Action5 website is a nightmare of spam, and long scripting, and I am frustrated. In order to research exactly when Ali Alsanai stepped before the cameras and mentioned whatever he has, I have found it necessary to turn off my tracking protection. But when I do, the Action5 nightmare of spam begins....eeeegggh...I hate small local news agencies with a passion....!!!!)

So in answer to your question about social media comments, I would venture to say that yes those comments are highly relevant. As I recall from the conservative website which immediately began to criticize, chastise, and accuse Alisanai of everything under the sun, he allegedly posted remarks that the sheriffs deputies told him about gasoline being poured in Jessica's mouth about the time that the flatbed/tow parked outside M&M. His FB posting would be around 11:35 pm.

So I suppose 11:35 pm Dec 6 is the earliest mention of "gasoline in mouth". However it should be pointed out that Alsanai had close to 2 hours before he posted. During those 2 hours, I am sure that "street chatter" collected around M&M from the moment the Medevac helicopter beat the Courtland night skies and fire trucks and ambulance sirens sped up and down Herron/Main St. to the Baptist Church. It would be impossible to imagine that comments were not floating around Courtland as soon as people began to gather.

Precisely whom it was that was responsible for feeding Alsanai with information is anyone's guess. (Personally I believe Alsanai got his info from either the flatbed driver, or the deputies who were beating the doors of Jessica's last known travels and friends. *note: the "time" of these deputies is not the same "time" as the deputies that cellphone-captured video footage a day or so later. )

9:30 to 11:30 pm would be earlier than Jessica's fathers comment, for he was, supposedly, en route to Memphis Medical, and he made his comments about being told sometime after 2:37 am, Sunday morning.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

You have my sympathies as well.
Your case, just as Jessica's show glaring deficiencies the criminal investigation process.
Every public agency (LE,Fire, EMS) have their own SOP's (Standard operating procedures) that govern how they respond to calls and what their objectives are when they get there.


Unfortunately, they often conflict with one another.
In Jessica's case...Fire was the first on the scene. Their objective is to put out the fire. Whether they trample over potential crime scene evidence is irrelevant and not part of their SOP.

EMS arrives and finds Jessica with possibly smoldering clothes on and they will immediately remove them if possible. (Assuming that is what happened) and the clothing will be discarded.

All of a sudden, Jessica dies...now it becomes a homicide scene.
Yellow crime scene tape goes up and a cursory examination of the area is performed, which I understand was completed in less than an hour...in the dark.
After their exam, they order the vehicle towed and thats it.
The tow truck comes and obliterates any tire tracks, footprints, and possible evidence that Fire and EMS did not already destroy.
After much public pressure, Federal authorities step in.

Do you see the folly in this?

I definitely see the folly. Everything in/around the area should have been blocked off until every piece of trash could be removed. Even something as seemingly insignificant as a cigarette butt could hold DNA clues. I'm in complete agreement with you!

 

[ZOOL]

It was facing toward the tree but all they had to do was open the gate for the tow truck and I am making the assumption that is what they did.

Judging from the trail leading down from the tree, down the incline, it would appear to me that a vehicle was being dragged from the rear, and that the front of the vehicle -- without tires -- provided much resistance.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Zool, your posts have just been amazing lately. Please go directly to Courtland and assist with this investigation.

 

[Gunther Toody]

I see four distinct tread patterns on the incline.
So I am wondering if it is just as possible that the car was being pushed up, rather than pulled back.
If the car was disabled at some point prior to it being placed where it was found...skid marks, scrapes etc...should have been present in the roadway.
Now here is something else. Its remote but still a possibility.

Note the design of the door handles on this 2005 Kia Rio , which is from here.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2003-2005_Kia_Rio.jpg

I know its a longshot, but it is possible that prints may have been preserved on the underside of the handhold where the fingers would go.

 

[New1]

So here is a small conundrum.
How did Jessica's car come to be facing forward on the rollback tow truck?
If it had been driven or pushed front forward into its resting place and the tow truck pulled behind it...
The car should have been facing backward when picked up.

Not earth shattering evidence, but strange.

But didn't we see a picture of the burned out car FACING the tree, or am I just imagining that?

 

[suspicious1]

One thing that keeps bothering me is this timeline.

So JC is found around 8:15ish
LE goes to find EB around 9:30ish
LE goes to M&M around 11ish

OK so we know they claim JC gave a name...they went searching for EB

After that LE went to M&M....I wonder what made then go there?

Would it be normal for them to just say "hey let's stop by the gas station and see if JC had been there" kwim?

It seems to me that "somebody" sent LE to this EB guy AND the M&M.

I'm confused...who was "talking" right after it happened?

 

[soooblessed]

Pardon me if this is too graphic, but if accelerant was poured down her throat, how would she be able to speak the name of someone to first responders? Those two pieces conflict with me.


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[New1]

Never realized that at all, but that is such a great question and observation. No way in heck that tow truck or any vehicle position their selfs in front of her vehicle. He would had to of towed it from behind.

Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure the road would have been blocked while they removed the car. The tow truck could have hooked to the rear of the car and pulled it out into the road then unhooked and drove to the front and pulled it onto the truck from the front.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

One thing that keeps bothering me is this timeline.

So JC is found around 8:15ish
LE goes to find EB around 9:30ish
LE goes to M&M around 11ish

OK so we know they claim JC gave a name...they went searching for EB

After that LE went to M&M....I wonder what made then go there?

Would it be normal for them to just say "hey let's stop by the gas station and see if JC had been there" kwim?

It seems to me that "somebody" sent LE to this EB guy AND the M&M.

I'm confused...who was "talking" right after it happened?

And to add to your thoughts, we also know that LE considered this a crime scene rather quickly, as opposed to an accident. It can also be noted that they were "confident" someone was with JC. They obviously had SOMETHING to go on very early on to lead to EB and to be able to discern someone had been with her. But WHAT??? That is the million dollar question.

 

[EGirl]

I have listened to the audio of store owner AA's interview, during which he claims the sheriff told him that they poured gasoline into her mouth.
Here is a link to the audio file.
http://www.newsms.fm/anonymous-othe...er-responds-accusations/#sthash.YNa47P9y.dpuf

During his statement, AA indicates that



Did the sheriff really say "Jessica just died?" assuming AA would know who he was talking about?

B&SBM

What has always bothered me about that is.... Jessica was not dead. She died in the hospital the next day.

 

[carbuff]

Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure the road would have been blocked while they removed the car. The tow truck could have hooked to the rear of the car and pulled it out into the road then unhooked and drove to the front and pulled it onto the truck from the front.

As the daughter of a guy who used to drive a tow truck, I would say that something along those lines is almost certainly how they did it. Vehicles are much easier to load from the front.