MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[machiado]

I don't doubt it. I wasn't disagreeing with you. I don't know how to look up the person at VINE according to case number unfortunately.

ETA - now I found it.

I think there are two in that immediate area, though.

Link to public records of Wisconsin Dept. of Corrections containing publicly available information (case summary) about the RSO published as living in the very direct area of the crime. Wisconsin, Clark County Case Number 2004CF000119 http://doc.wi.gov/community-resources/find-an-offender

 

[samantha17]

If there are perps and they are known, arrests would have soon been forthcoming.

But, LE has to have rock solid evidence before an arrest can be made.

 

[StellaBlue2u]

Arrests that are booked are public information.

 

[southernyankee]

{WTH is it gonna take to get someone to talk?} That's the question that needs to be answered.
I feel so desperate to help but have no answers. We could do the ask the question thing mentioned earlier -- deadline being tonight. Personally, I'm blank. I wouldn't want to undermine the work of investigators. All of my questions seem to do that. You all may have something better to offer in that area. I'm still thinking though. Perhaps a statement could be made and posted or announced in a way that would nudge (push) the community to really think about everyone around them during that night and in the following days. A statement such as "This investigation needs the help of the community to solve Jessica's murder. She was one of our own. The person who committed this crime is still out there walking the streets. Think about that for a minute........"

Ohhh, well-intentioned...you're so well-intentioned. I can totally sense your despair in this post and it hurts, it really does, and it should be so simple as just verbally shaking everyone in the town, like, "Wake up! Let this sink in + really *think*..." :-(

That's just it, though. I believe everyone who is + has been cooperative and forthcoming with information up to this time truly is not involved. I think the only people who actually know are those who were involved - directly or indirectly. I believe it is a tight inner circle of two or perhaps as many as four or five people in this case. I do not think one person acted alone + has sole knowledge. I believe strongly that more than one person knows, but that both or each of those people has something to lose (like, their freedom + very life) by talking to anyone else about it. And thus the silence.

Given a longer timeframe, I think the likelihood of one of the people cracking + breaking some info is greater. It's just frustrating in the meantime.

ALSO: The processing of any DNA/physical evidence can take a few months. Initially I'd expected there to be a faster (a few weeks?) turnaround time on that, but the more I research, the more I see that 4-6 months is entirely reasonable in terms of processing time + results.

If if if if if if if a thousand ifs, nothing results from those tests, THEN I think the bargaining for information strategy should be revisiting in depth. Til then... I'm not surprised that everyone is extra-vigilant + tight-lipped in the meantime - law enforcement, the community, and the perps alike.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Because JC lived with MS Fleming for several months .... she knew JC on a personal basis ..... I see no 'why' here.

I also don't believe that she's interjecting herself back into the case for personal reasons other than to defend Jessica and the community in general. It's a good article and I wish it would have been longer or that there would be more like it. She really is the only one that I've seen that gave a good interview with more than just a soundbyte about Jessica Chambers. I'm including LC in my comment. Theresa Rudd Fleming's comments are thoughtful, educated, well-formed and well-intentioned. I give credit to the author of the article (and the editor for running it) for getting the best personal information so far and TRF backed it up rather than just a "she was a great gal, everybody loved her". It almost sounds like a PR piece it's so smooth. I don't mean that as snooty as it sounds. Either she's educated and poised ( which I believe) or someone edited it in contrast to some of the quotes from involved parties. That's not a slam, I just get interested when someone is as "together" as she is in the midst of several family members who commit crimes, are violent and just plain crude. Difficult to know. I hope that it was a home of refuge for Jessica for a few months at least.

All my opinion and I don't care if it's too much information.

:worms:

 

[FelicityLemon]

Arrests that are booked are public information.

Hi StellaBlue2u - I was thinking that too, but had a thought that since the FBI et al are involved, can people be held without being arrested - or can someone be arrested federally as opposed to locally and it be kept under the table? Anybody know if this is possible?

 

[well-intentioned]

Ohhh, well-intentioned...you're so well-intentioned. I can totally sense your despair in this post and it hurts, it really does, and it should be so simple as just verbally shaking everyone in the town, like, "Wake up! Let this sink in + really *think*..." :-(

That's just it, though. I believe everyone who is + has been cooperative and forthcoming with information up to this time truly is not involved. I think the only people who actually know are those who were involved - directly or indirectly. I believe it is a tight inner circle of two or perhaps as many as four or five people in this case. I do not think one person acted alone + has sole knowledge. I believe strongly that more than one person knows, but that both or each of those people has something to lose (like, their freedom + very life) by talking to anyone else about it. And thus the silence.

Given a longer timeframe, I think the likelihood of one of the people cracking + breaking some info is greater. It's just frustrating in the meantime.

ALSO: The processing of any DNA/physical evidence can take a few months. Initially I'd expected there to be a faster (a few weeks?) turnaround time on that, but the more I research, the more I see that 4-6 months is entirely reasonable in terms of processing time + results.

If if if if if if if a thousand ifs, nothing results from those tests, THEN I think the bargaining for information strategy should be revisiting in depth. Til then... I'm not surprised that everyone is extra-vigilant + tight-lipped in the meantime - law enforcement, the community, and the perps alike.

Okay, I here ya ...... and I'll be more patient with the system. Its just hard to accept the time frame of 4-6 months for the caliber of this crime. It is what it is.

 

[southernyankee]

Okay, I here ya ...... and I'll be more patient with the system. Its just hard to accept the time frame of 4-6 months for the caliber of this crime. It is what it is.

It's really hard to be patient! So understandable.

I think this feels extra frustrating because a lot of us truly believe that someone out there knows what happened and could end all this today, but won't. Like so many cases.

But maybe I'm wrong! In any case - I don't believe we've heard any conclusive findings about the physical evidence that was processed at this point...but I'd rather be waiting on it still than have it back already without solid results.

 

[MyBelle]

As I've had it presented to me... Any time a young black male in the recent past recent has had an altercation with law enforcement or even other civilians that ends in death, the media has a field day with it, riots, protests, and in some cases even presidential attention come about. Here you have a young caucasian woman, who some suppose was killed by African Americans, and the media is avoiding the story like it's leprosy. You have a lot of people interested in this story just as a propaganda point to further their own agendas. It's a very sad state of affairs. You have a child, no matter her color, who was literally burned alive. Not to deprecate the death of any other, but you would think her death would be as meaningful as any other, she does deserve national attention. Instead, many people have no idea who Jessica Chambers was.

No one insists that you read at those websites, I'd recommend you don't. They're simply cesspools of intolerance, racial bias, and nonsense. They're pushing a dark agenda, and Jessica for them is nothing but another point in a bigoted pool of hatred. Jessica dated black men, if this case is indeed proven to have a black perpetrator, it's just a feather in the cap for those people. Jessica means nothing to them otherwise.

Thankfully there are some stalwart people who care just because a young woman was murdered, and horribly so. Justice is color blind, hopefully whoever did this horrible thing to her comes to justice so her soul can rest, and her parents can have some peace.

All MOO

You raise some very good points. National media can not possibly cover all crimes no matter how heinous they may be to us. Almost daily I find on this forum a crime I haven't heard about. I think we all need to keep in mind the timing of Jessica's murder and the national sensitivity to crimes involving perceived racism.

In the early days after Jessica's murder, people told bloggers that Jessica's father was racist and there were drugs and guns and gangs involved and the Internet exploded. AA received death threats and had to leave the area. Attempts to interject racism and anti-law enforcement into this case have not been successful. The local media isn't going to let it happen in this case and the national media will take their cues from them, imo.

BR has been cleared. He and his race are totally irrelevant to this case, he's engaged to someone else and he said he hasn't even spoken to Jessica since May of 2013, nearly two years ago.

Yet his mother has interjected him and herself with comments to the state capitol's media about race and and adamantly proclaims the black community is not protecting Jessica's killer even though nobody has suggested every black person in Courtland is conspiring to protect a killer just as nobody has suggested every white person in Courtland is conspiring.

Ms. Fleming also makes comments that I hope are fully investigated by LE re: what "choices" and "issues" she claims Jessica had:

Jessica made bad choices sometimes in the people she chose to be around and in the people she chose to trust.

She had some issues in her life but God knows she was truly a sweet person.



http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...or-jessica-chambers-on-her-birthday/22480129/

 

[MyBelle]

Arrests that are booked are public information.

Grand jury indictments can be sealed until the defendant is taken into custody. I think that could happen in this case if multiple people are involved.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

{WTH is it gonna take to get someone to talk?} That's the question that needs to be answered.
I feel so desperate to help but have no answers. We could do the ask the question thing mentioned earlier -- deadline being tonight. Personally, I'm blank. I wouldn't want to undermine the work of investigators. All of my questions seem to do that. You all may have something better to offer in that area. I'm still thinking though. Perhaps a statement could be made and posted or announced in a way that would nudge (push) the community to really think about everyone around them during that night and in the following days. A statement such as "This investigation needs the help of the community to solve Jessica's murder. She was one of our own. The person who committed this crime is still out there walking the streets. Think about that for a minute........"

The bond among gang members is just as strong as the bond between family members and it often takes an arrest and threat of imprisonment before someone will provide evidence in exchange for a plea deal. I think that is what is going to happen in this case because the reward is for information only. It doesn't say the information has to lead to the arrest and conviction. iow, the identity of the tipper is going to remain anonymous. And someone will step forward, I have no doubt. They may have already done so.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Hi StellaBlue2u - I was thinking that too, but had a thought that since the FBI et al are involved, can people be held without being arrested - or can someone be arrested federally as opposed to locally and it be kept under the table? Anybody know if this is possible?

No, arrests are public record. Indictments can be returned and sealed, however. Mississippi uses the Grand Jury process and so do the feds.

Because of the Fifth Amendment, the federal legal system has to use grand juries to bring charges, at least for certain offenses. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that charges for all capital and "infamous" crimes be brought by an indictment returned by a grand jury.

http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/fedj/fedj.htm

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t find it surprising that this case has not captured much national media spotlight. This is a case that takes place in a very rural, low-income community. Media representatives from NY and LA are not going there unless they absolutely have to. And they only have to go there if it becomes a huge story, and it only becomes a huge story if they decide to make it one. Second, there is a good possibility there is a drug or gang connection here, which is also going to keep the media far, far away. The possible suspects are just not that remarkable; they just seem like career criminals. No comparison to people like OJ, Joran Van Der Sloot, Jodi Arias, Casey Anthony, Zimmerman, etc. In additon, Jessica is from a very unstable background, she doesn’t have the whole wholesome-girl-next-door-college student from nuclear family thing that Hannah Graham, a case that got plenty of national attention, had. Lastly, the media has very little interest in unsolved murders, compared to missing persons. There is nothing about this story that screams "huge national news" and I don't know why it is being treated like some huge conspiracy.

BBM. Can you point me to any media article that has portrayed Jessica as being from a very unstable background? I've not seen it nor do I believe Hannah Graham's upbringing played a part in the coverage.

There are many, many heinous crimes in this country and the national media isn't going to pick up every one of them. I think the fact that the Governor of the State of Mississippi has emphasized the priority of solving Jessica's murder and the fact that the state capitol newspaper is covering it shows the importance it has to residents of that state.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

:sigh:

We really need some sort of news people. Badly.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't see what ISIS has to do with a story possibly involving local gang members not becoming a huge national story. What other high-profile cases involved gang members as killers? I don't see the media scrambling to cover inner city murders. This is a local story.....ISIS is an international issue...no comparison. The media is interested in a terroristic organization that poses a threat to the West means that the media is interested in gang-related murders?

No person of interest has been named so isn't it quite a leap to conclude gang members are involved? I don't see any national media organization devoting resources to investigate potential suspects named by blogs rather than by law enforcement.

JMO

 

[FelicityLemon]

The bond among gang members is just as strong as the bond between family members and it often takes an arrest and threat of imprisonment before someone will provide evidence in exchange for a plea deal. I think that is what is going to happen in this case because the reward is for information only. It doesn't say the information has to lead to the arrest and conviction. iow, the identity of the tipper is going to remain anonymous. And someone will step forward, I have no doubt. They may have already done so.

JMO

No person of interest has been named so isn't it quite a leap to conclude gang members are involved? I don't see any national media organization devoting resources to investigate potential suspects named by blogs rather than by law enforcement.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

No person of interest has been named so isn't it quite a leap to conclude gang members are involved? I don't see any national media organization devoting resources to investigate potential suspects named by blogs rather than by law enforcement.

JMO

I didn't say I had concluded gang members were involved nor are we allowed to sleuth anybody here who hasn't been named a suspect or POI. If it isn't allowed here the national media isn't going to do it for the same reason.

JMO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

IMO, this perpetrator has a history of violence. So hasn't there been any DNA or phone forensics done? Has the local sexual offenders been interviewed & investigated?

This is a crime of great magnitude & not this perp's first rodeo.

That alone should narrow down the pool of suspects. I would also include anyone that has a penchant for fire. Or is comfortable around it.

I can only hope that hard-pressing interviewing, investigating, combined with elements of scientific forensic investigating is going on.

RIP JC

You deserved better....

Moo

 

[darkstar105]

I don't know why it wouldn't be this perp's first rodeo...Shanda Sharer was killed in a similar manner by a bunch of jealous teenage girls. It was their first rodeo.

 

[SteveP]

The bond among gang members is just as strong as the bond between family members and it often takes an arrest and threat of imprisonment before someone will provide evidence in exchange for a plea deal. I think that is what is going to happen in this case because the reward is for information only. It doesn't say the information has to lead to the arrest and conviction. iow, the identity of the tipper is going to remain anonymous. And someone will step forward, I have no doubt. They may have already done so.

JMO

BBM...Actually, at least the $25,000 portion of the reward the FBI is offering is for information leading to the identification, arrest and conviction. My guess is the bulk, if not all of the rest is also.

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $25,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest, and conviction of the person or persons responsible for the death of Jessica Chambers.
http://www.wjtv.com/story/27872025/...ssica-chambers-murder-investigation-on-poster