My view has done a complete 180

[Pensfan]

Above is another example of you presenting yourself as an example to attempt to sway others that Damien Echols, Miskelley, and Baldwin were not guilty. You and several others have done this repeatedly throughout this WM3 forum. Please investigate the concept of complementary projection. Just because you were a youth with personal interests similar to Damien’s and you have not killed children, does not mean that others with similar interests are also incapable of murdering children.

This is what is frightening about Damien Echols. From the trial documents, he shares these characteristics in common with Jeffrey Dahmer:
Bullied as a child for being different
Tortured animals
Early interest in dead animals and morbid topics
Substance abuser
Drank blood
Overkill
Sliced skin from corpses
Necrophilic
Collected skulls in his room
Mutilated victims’ bodies
Kept body parts as trophies
Sexual interest in children and males
Children were victims
Stalked victims
Diagnosed as schizophrenic
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc....radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Dahmer,%

From the trial documents, he shares these characteristics in common with Ed Gein:
Mom had a mental disorder
Bullied as a child for being different
Extreme poverty at times
Abusive father
Loner
Bullied as a child
Set fire
Dropped out of school, but was an avid reader.
Early “interest” with death/dying
Mother worried about his interest in morbid/dark topics
Diagnosed as schizophrenic
Was a substance abuser
child as victim
Stalked victims
Necrophilic
Consumed blood/body parts
Mutilated bodies
Overkill
Kept body parts as trophies
Kept underwear as trophies
Sliced skin from corpses
Collected skulls in his home
He was considered by some to be mild mannered while hospitalized
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 40...http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Gein


I am also interested (Claudicici would say "obsessed") in Baldwin's ice pick which he had his brother hide (if anyone is interested in discussing why a young man who doesn't work in such an industry owns and hides his personal ice pick).


Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[Jaxson]

Damien, Jason and Jessie are innocent.

 

[Pensfan]

I am also interested (Cappuccino will state “obsessed&#8221 in the bite mark which supporters try to use to “prove” the West Memphis Three did not murder these little boys.

Forensic bite-mark identification remains an inexact science. A 1999 study by a member of the American Board of Forensic Odontology, a professional trade organization, found a 63 percent rate of false identifications. This study used tissue that was not submerged under water for hours (like the boys’ tissues were) and was not edematous (which the deceased, submerged boys' tissues were) and this would cause an increase in the 63 percent rate of false identifications or NONidentification.
http://www.asfo.org/news_content.asp?NewsID=143&MemberID=

 

[LunaticFringe]

After retiring from 30 years of working on locked psych wards in university-affiliated psychiatric hospitals, I am now free to study whatever. Tonight I read a poem by Damien Echols. It reminds me of statements that a very disturbed stalker would say.


I know just where you live.
I know you live alone.
I’ll pay a visit in your darkest hour.
I’ve got a treat in store.
Won’t be the same no more.
And I will demonstrate my holy power.
I see through what it is inside you.
I’ll make you break down and cry.
~Damien Echols
http://callahan.8k.com/images2/d_echols/de_poem.JPGp


Pensfan
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This is lyrics to Ozzy Osbourne's song Devil's Daughter.NOT a poem written by Damien.

 

[claudicici]

Above is another example of you presenting yourself as an example to attempt to sway others that Damien Echols, Miskelley, and Baldwin were not guilty. You and several others have done this repeatedly throughout this WM3 forum. Please investigate the concept of complementary projection. Just because you were a youth with personal interests similar to Damien’s and you have not killed children, does not mean that others with similar interests are also incapable of murdering children.

This is what is frightening about Damien Echols. From the trial documents, he shares these characteristics in common with Jeffrey Dahmer:
Bullied as a child for being different
Tortured animals
Early interest in dead animals and morbid topics
Substance abuser
Drank blood
Overkill
Sliced skin from corpses
Necrophilic
Collected skulls in his room
Mutilated victims’ bodies
Kept body parts as trophies
Sexual interest in children and males
Children were victims
Stalked victims
Diagnosed as schizophrenic
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc....radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Dahmer,%

From the trial documents, he shares these characteristics in common with Ed Gein:
Mom had a mental disorder
Bullied as a child for being different
Extreme poverty at times
Abusive father
Loner
Bullied as a child
Set fire
Dropped out of school, but was an avid reader.
Early “interest” with death/dying
Mother worried about his interest in morbid/dark topics
Diagnosed as schizophrenic
Was a substance abuser
child as victim
Stalked victims
Necrophilic
Consumed blood/body parts
Mutilated bodies
Overkill
Kept body parts as trophies
Kept underwear as trophies
Sliced skin from corpses
Collected skulls in his home
He was considered by some to be mild mannered while hospitalized
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 40...http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Gein


I am also interested (Claudicici would say "obsessed") in Baldwin's ice pick which he had his brother hide (if anyone is interested in discussing why a young man who doesn't work in such an industry owns and hides his personal ice pick).


Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

I bolded the parts that Damien actually had in common with these guys.
I'm sure a lot of us do.How we process these things is different from person to person.It does not turn everyone into a serial killer.
I underlined the parts that are debatable because they are not proven to be true.
The rest is absolutely false.
I don't understand if you are so frightened about Damien why doesn't TH or MB frighten you?
I personally am extremely frightened of fathers who beat their children,who bully people,who allegedly sexually molest children (in TH's case),who are substance abusers etc,etc

 

[iluvmua]

According to the People Magazine article I read, Damien is living in an undisclosed city.... If he didn't help kill those boys and is really innocent, then why is he so scared about people finding out where he now lives????

 

[SheBoss]

This is what is frightening about Damien Echols. From the trial documents, he shares these characteristics in common with Jeffrey Dahmer:
Bullied as a child for being different
Tortured animals
Early interest in dead animals and morbid topics
Substance abuser
Drank blood
Overkill - ?
Sliced skin from corpses = ?
Necrophilic - ?
Collected skulls in his room
Mutilated victims’ bodies - ?
Kept body parts as trophies - ?
Sexual interest in children and males - ?
Children were victims
Stalked victims
Diagnosed as schizophrenic
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc....radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Dahmer,%

From the trial documents, he shares these characteristics in common with Ed Gein:
Mom had a mental disorder
Bullied as a child for being different
Extreme poverty at times
Abusive father
Loner
Bullied as a child
Set fire - ?
Dropped out of school, but was an avid reader.
Early “interest” with death/dying
Mother worried about his interest in morbid/dark topics
Diagnosed as schizophrenic
Was a substance abuser
child as victim
Stalked victims
Necrophilic - ?
Consumed blood/body parts
Mutilated bodies - ?
Overkill - ?
Kept body parts as trophies - ?
Kept underwear as trophies - ?
Sliced skin from corpses - ?
Collected skulls in his home
He was considered by some to be mild mannered while hospitalized
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 40...http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Gein


I am also interested (Claudicici would say "obsessed") in Baldwin's ice pick which he had his brother hide (if anyone is interested in discussing why a young man who doesn't work in such an industry owns and hides his personal ice pick).


Pensfan
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verified psychiatric mental health nurse

I've put question marks after those that I didn't know about. Do you have a link or anything to when Damien did all these things? The link you posted here is not coming up as a good one.

And what about Jason's icepick? I've not heard about that before.

 

[SheBoss]

According to the People Magazine article I read, Damien is living in an undisclosed city.... If he didn't help kill those boys and is really innocent, then why is he so scared about people finding out where he now lives????

Because some still think he guilty? Whether he is or not, he is perceived this way. And he did plead guilty in the Alford.

 

[Jaxson]

According to the People Magazine article I read, Damien is living in an undisclosed city.... If he didn't help kill those boys and is really innocent, then why is he so scared about people finding out where he now lives????

Did he request that it remain undisclosed? Or are there some media that have respect for his personal and private life. Or maybe Lori doesn't want to be pestered. Did the article state he was scared?

I have already read that he is living in New York here at websleuths in one of the threads...

 

[justthinkin]

Here's the troubled teen today after spending 18 years on Death Row, ten of it in solitary confinement (in and of itself enough to make many people psychotic):

West Memphis 3 are FREE! - YouTube

He doesn't seem to be very psychotic to me. I'm no mental health professional, just a retired school teacher with 25 years' experience dealing with teen angst and rebellion. Teens generally outgrow all of that baggage. Looks like Damien outgrew whatever was troubling him, and he managed to do it on Death Row! To me, that bespeaks a pretty strong person.

Yes or maybe he's just a garden variety psychopath. They are known to adapt very well to prison life, and even death row.

 

[Pensfan]

I've put question marks after those that I didn't know about. Do you have a link or anything to when Damien did all these things? The link you posted here is not coming up as a good one.

And what about Jason's icepick? I've not heard about that before.

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Gein, Ed.pdf
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Dahmer, Jeff.htm

 

[Harmony 2]

I just recently began reading the information in this case so I have not formulated an opinion. I came across this disturbing statement... Can anyone shed light on the validity of his statement? Is he a reliable witness?

http://callahan.8k.com/images2/joebar2.jpg

 

[Pensfan]

I just recently began reading the information in this case so I have not formulated an opinion. I came across this disturbing statement... Can anyone shed light on the validity of his statement? Is he a reliable witness?

http://callahan.8k.com/images2/joebar2.jpg

Damien Echols carried a dog skull around. His mom testified to this in court. His parole officer removed animal skulls from Damien Echol's room. Read more disturbing things discussed here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-117629.html

Testimony by Jason Lance Crosby stated that overheard Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin talking about catching a bum at one of the overpasses and torturing him to death just to see what it felt like.
http://callahan.8k.com/images/j_crosby/report_06-08-93_01.jpg

Jason Lance Crosby passed a polygraph regarding his statements.
http://callahan.8k.com/images/j_crosby/polygraph_report_06-08-93.jpg

 

[Pensfan]

Here's the troubled teen today after spending 18 years on Death Row, ten of it in solitary confinement (in and of itself enough to make many people psychotic):

West Memphis 3 are FREE! - YouTube

He doesn't seem to be very psychotic to me. I'm no mental health professional, just a retired school teacher with 25 years' experience dealing with teen angst and rebellion. Teens generally outgrow all of that baggage. Looks like Damien outgrew whatever was troubling him, and he managed to do it on Death Row! To me, that bespeaks a pretty strong person.

The recent IHOPS killer's friends said, "He was known to have long term mental health problems and be on medication, but he was doing OK."
http://www.aol.com/2011/09/09/ihop-shooting_n_955429.html

The ability to sit in a chair is not evidence of positive mental health.

Pensfan
______
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[SheBoss]

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Gein, Ed.pdf
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc 405/serial killers/Dahmer, Jeff.htm

Sorry, Pensfan, I'm still not getting it. These are links for Ed Gein and Jeffery Dahlmer. I was asking about links to where Echols did the things that I had question marks beside.

Thanks!

 

[Compassionate Reader]

I just recently began reading the information in this case so I have not formulated an opinion. I came across this disturbing statement... Can anyone shed light on the validity of his statement? Is he a reliable witness?

http://callahan.8k.com/images2/joebar2.jpg

No, he is not a reliable witness. He was stating something someone else told him and trying to make it his own, seeking his 15 minutes. IIRC, he did not testify at the trial.

As to Jason Crosby's statement, first I'm not impressed that he could pass a polygraph because he said that Damien and Jason Baldwin talked about torturing a bum, not that they did it! Again, teenagers often talk big to peers. It means nothing. He also said that Damien said that he wasn't a Devil worshiper.

Again, a lot of statements were made, especially by teenagers looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Unless someone was actually called as a witness at trial, I don't place a lot of importance on these types of statements. Both of these statements are from teens who did not testify at the trial.

 

[claudicici]

I know it sounds almost unbelievable and suspicious how many false statements and confessions were made in the documents.It becomes far more understandable when one imagines the circumstances around those statements.
All the kids were talking about this alleged cult,everyone was talking about Damien.
I also think Joe Bartoush was looking for fame.Again it's possible that Damien killed the dog but unlikely.When this supposedly happened Damien just got back from Oregon.Again everyone was talking about him.Damien was in a mental hospital and again I have no doubt that Damien told stories to further alienate and mystify his persona.I'm sure he told stories about killing the dog or killing the bum,I also wouldn't doubt he talked about killing the 3 boys at the softball game.It was his defense mechanism to scare people away that could not understand him.
To people he was close to like Domini and his mother the story of the dog skull was that he found it on the side of the road with his stepdad and his stepdad cleaned it for him and he kept it in his room and took it to school once to show it off.

 

[Peepers]

I am new to the case, reading Devils Knot right now. I have no opinion on the case yet but let me ask you all a question. It seems like this heinous murder could not have been committed by one person. Theres no way one person could have subdued all the boys at the same time. Who do you guys think did this if it wasn't the WM3?

 

[Cappuccino]

There are many documented cases of one perpetrator subduing multiple victims, even adult victims, for prolonged periods of time. The BTK killer, The Yosemite serial killer, the freak who kidnapped Dylan and Shasta Groene, whoever kidnapped Jacob Wetterling, to name but a few.

It would be particularly easy for one adult to subdue the three victims in this case if the adult was someone the children already knew and saw as an authority figure.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Add to the fact that the killer was someone who was perceived by the children as an "authority" figure the probability that IMO the crime took place in an enclosed place with limited access (one of the manholes in the area) and it's easy to see how one man could control three boys.