Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #23

[raisincharlie]

Oops, no I didn't. I'll do so.

Photo 19 :

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html

 

[jmflu]

1. That cul de sac has lights on it. Mom traveled the area well after dark and said she could see perfectly, even with her car lights off. Crime scene tape was even wrapped around the light fixture right where NC's body was found. Not dark.

2. While BC did not go to the memorial service, he did go to the service for the volunteer searchers. He did lawyer up and his attorney may have told him not to go - we don't know. He also was with the children the morning of the memorial service - the GP may have asked him to not attend. Again, we don't don't know. I can't imagine he was asked not to go to his own wife's memorial. I understand the concern that he might be asked something or might say something or might draw attention. But the memorial is for the living, and if he wasn't guilty, wouldn't he need that catharsis just like the rest of us?

3. He did appear at a presser to appeal for anyone knowing anything to alert the CPD.

4. He did have a white ribbon on his mailbox -- it is no longer there, but at one time he did have one. I know, but his wife's killer hasn't been found yet. Wouldn't you put one back up? Isn't it rediculous that his own neighbors have bows up and he doesn't?

5. If it were done in the heat of passion, which seems to be the consensus here, his regret, IMO, seems to be that her death did not just effect her no longer being there, but has drawn much unpleasant speculation that he abhors, the danger that he may somehow be tried for her death, the danger to his financial situation, and to his career, the reality that his children are no longer with him. Agreed!

5. However, having said all that, I DO believe it was in the heat of passion, and I DO believe that once the physical violence started, his rage did not end until well after Nancy was dead.

My comments added in bold...

 

[jmflu]

Photo 19 :

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html

WOW, you are so right... so those lights were working AFTER the murder at some point, maybe because the murder drew their attention to getting the lights working?

 

[raisincharlie]

WOW, you are so right... so those lights were working AFTER the murder at some point, maybe because the murder drew their attention to getting the lights working?

Dunno - very possible. Lets see what Reddress can find out first.

 

[reddress58]

Photo 19 :

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html

Looks pretty darn dark to me!

 

[raisincharlie]

Looks pretty darn dark to me!

So would you think if a murderer was wanting to dispose of a body in the dark, it might be relatively easy to find a dark spot to do so ? Just my way of thinking - you look for lights and know you don't want to go there so you find a way to get to the dark. Call me simpleton.

 

[fran]

I just want to point out that we don't know anything about this purse other than it was a Louis Vuitton. It could have been their beach bag. It could have been Brad's laptop bag (his affidavit mentions a LV laptop case). It could have been an extra purse. We do not know if this was NC's purse.

The article said, "Louis Vuitton purse." IF it was an 'extra purse,' I'm sure Brad would have put it in one of his 200 lines of affidavit. You don't need to count it, but I will. Bet LE considers it 'hinky.'

FWIW, Brad stated he told Nancy to return the laptop bag, so we know it wasn't that......UNLESS Brad was lying.

JMHO
fran

 

[Topsail Girl]

A little off track here but I have to tell y'all this. if you have not visited the Memorial Site for Nancy that Diana Duncan has put up please do. She has added more photos and last night at JJ some of Nancy's friends were talking about these pics of Nancy "walking" the dogs. You have to see these pics!! They are on the second page not the last ones but pretty close. They are hilarious!!! I can see Nancy's humor and good nature shine through in all the pics but especially the dog walking pics. LOL

Another thing I was thinking of - I wonder if John Mayers song is significant because of the movie it was the sound track for or if Nancy just loved John Mayer. That is his newest song playing on the radio. I wonder which it is.

 

[Star12]

So would you think if a murderer was wanting to dispose of a body in the dark, it might be relatively easy to find a dark spot to do so ? Just my way of thinking - you look for lights and know you don't want to go there so you find a way to get to the dark. Call me simpleton.

I agree with you...well, not about the simpleton part...but Mom did go there and said the light was working. However, she did go after Aug. 2, which was when we made our first trip there and discovered the light fixture. It certainly would make more sense if it were dark down there.

And when I first saw the fixture, my first thought was that it would not yet be turned on.

 

[momto3kids]

Looks pretty darn dark to me!

rdd58....can you tell where exactly is the ambulance coming out? I think it was in the wrong cul-de-sac since the one NC was found in you could turn left or right. With this photo there is no left turn.

RC...I personally think it is pretty lit up considering no homes were even built back there for added lights. I can make out vehicle colors which in pitch dark I wouldn't be able to.

The point I was making is the street lights could allow anyone to drive without headlights if they go slow enough.15-20mph
The cul-de-sac is not too large, maybe 3 home sites...1 light will be enough to have someone see where they are dumping a body.

 

[raisincharlie]

rdd58....can you tell where exactly is the ambulance coming out? I think it was in the wrong cul-de-sac since the one NC was found in you could turn left or right. With this photo there is no left turn.

RC...I personally think it is pretty lit up considering no homes were even built back there for added lights. I can make out vehicle colors which in pitch dark I wouldn't be able to.

The point I was making is the street lights could allow anyone to drive without headlights if they go slow enough.15-20mph
The cul-de-sac is not too large, maybe 3 home sites...1 light will be enough to have someone see where they are dumping a body.

I'm not doubting what you saw at the time you went. That photo however tells a different story - there are no street lights present in the photo - no glow either. Remove the cars with headlights on and I doubt you would be able to see the colors - all I'm saying.

 

[jmflu]

rdd58....can you tell where exactly is the ambulance coming out? I think it was in the wrong cul-de-sac since the one NC was found in you could turn left or right. With this photo there is no left turn.

RC...I personally think it is pretty lit up considering no homes were even built back there for added lights. I can make out vehicle colors which in pitch dark I wouldn't be able to.

The point I was making is the street lights could allow anyone to drive without headlights if they go slow enough.15-20mph
The cul-de-sac is not too large, maybe 3 home sites...1 light will be enough to have someone see where they are dumping a body.

Wow, Mom, you must have some good eyes, or maybe it's because you've been there... I can't tell head nor tails of any turns!!!

 

[Star12]

I've thought that too. Perhaps it was one she had just bought and hadn't used yet.

If she hadn't used the purse, why would LE have any interest in it?

 

[CyberPro]

So would you think if a murderer was wanting to dispose of a body in the dark, it might be relatively easy to find a dark spot to do so ? Just my way of thinking - you look for lights and know you don't want to go there so you find a way to get to the dark. Call me simpleton.

RC,

It is not nearly as isolated, but IMo a better location would have been down Holly Springs Road near the crossing with Lilly Atkins. It is along Holly Springs, which is heavily traveled during the day, but there is a VERY LOW LYING, swampy area there. Since most folks are whizzing by in their cars, dropping a body there near the road, and making even a half hearted attempt to cover it, it might never be found.

I have been by this area, and I think Magister orignially mentioned it in an early post, but it is very low lying, and no one would be likely to travel by it on foot, or on a bike. Too scary due to no shoulders and fast traffic.

CyberPro

 

[raisincharlie]

RC,

It is not nearly as isolated, but IMo a better location would have been down Holly Springs Road near the crossing with Lilly Atkins. It is along Holly Springs, which is heavily traveled during the day, but there is a VERY LOW LYING, swampy area there. Since most folks are whizzing by in their cars, dropping a body there near the road, and making even a half hearted attempt to cover it, it might never be found.

I have been by this area, and I think Magister orignially mentioned it in an early post, but it is very low lying, and no one would be likely to travel by it on foot, or on a bike. Too scary due to no shoulders and fast traffic.

CyberPro

So you would take a chance stopping on a road prone to traffic to dispose of a body rather than going to an area with low to no traffic potential - more isolated from view of a passer by ?

Not me.

 

[jmflu]

If she hadn't used the purse, why would LE have any interest in it?

It's also possible she changed out of one purse to another and left the one in the car. I have done that, changed purses in a hurry to match what I am wearing or to fit an occasion.

I'm just saying we can't assume it was "the" purse NC used and base theories on it such as BC planted it, etc.

 

[momto3kids]

So would you think if a murderer was wanting to dispose of a body in the dark, it might be relatively easy to find a dark spot to do so ? Just my way of thinking - you look for lights and know you don't want to go there so you find a way to get to the dark. Call me simpleton.

RC...I think the way the lighting is back there was perfect for this crime. He could drive to the spot without headlights that would raise attention, dump her and been able to see the spot to put her. No headlights being used, no one would see anyone or anything back there occuring.

 

[jmflu]

So you would take a chance stopping on a road prone to traffic to dispose of a body rather than going to an area with low to no traffic potential - more isolated from view of a passer by ?

Not me.

Not me, either. All someone's gotta do is round the corner and there you are, stopped on the road in their headlights.

Possible, but not probable. Just as NC running in that area.

 

[jmflu]

RC...I think the way the lighting is back there was perfect for this crime. He could drive to the spot without headlights that would raise attention, dump her and been able to see the spot to put her.

I wonder if Toll Brothers will even tell us if the lights were working then. About how often was there a stoplight, Mom? Every few feet, or like, one per cul-de-sac?

 

[reddress58]

rdd58....can you tell where exactly is the ambulance coming out? I think it was in the wrong cul-de-sac since the one NC was found in you could turn left or right. With this photo there is no left turn.

RC...I personally think it is pretty lit up considering no homes were even built back there for added lights. I can make out vehicle colors which in pitch dark I wouldn't be able to.

The point I was making is the street lights could allow anyone to drive without headlights if they go slow enough.15-20mph
The cul-de-sac is not too large, maybe 3 home sites...1 light will be enough to have someone see where they are dumping a body.

The lights were ON the night of 12th, RC, according to Toll's Oaks' construction supervisor. He was very helpful by saying it was well lit and a car could easily find its way back there.

Mom, I can't tell from the picture where the little curved street is. It'll bug me now, so I guess I'll have to go back and look.