Nancy Grace - 10/16/08 Thursday

[ExpectingUnicorns]

KC was far from the loving mother that some are thinking. This text message exchange with Tony R. illustrates KC's frustration with being a mother:

nyitaliano3: come over ill cook.
casey o marie: .. hä; want me to bring thè littlé sñot'head?

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...sciano+text+messages&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

 

[TigerBalm]

I know a lot of people think it's silly to even say this, but, how can we say for sure the nanny doesn't exist? Because they pulled one lady in and questioned her and it wasn't her?

And by the way, how do they ever hope to find Caylee if they always call everyone in advance and tell them when they're going to be coming over? But honestly, how much did they try to find the nanny? I hope the FBI have been on it.

Is it the Federal Bureau of Investigation by the way or was it the Florida Bureau? Are they still conducting an investigation? I haven't heard anything on that front in a long time

I am sure more then just this ZG was looked into. She just happened to be the one that Casey had all the information on.

The investigators follow the evidence .... where it takes them is not up to the A's or anyone else.

FBI agent, Nick Savage testified at the GJ. He also escorted Casey to jail. So, to answer your question ... yes, FBI are still working on the case.

 

[Ocean Lover]

That's exactly what Casey tried to tell LE the first day she was interviewed. She said, if I had ever wanted to "get rid" of Caylee (their term, not hers), I would have just left her with my mother.

It's obvious she could easily have left Caylee with her mother if she didn't want her. That's why I've never believed there was any motive for Casey to harm Caylee. There also was not any history of anything but a loving relationship, according to every person who was interviewed. If Caylee is deceased, and I pray that she isn't, I think it's unlikely that Casey was the one who harmed her.

The reason is because she is a spiteful b----! (her words not mine) She got caught stealing money from CA's mother. Was probably told to get a job, take care of her daughter or they were going to file for custody since they paid for all of Caylee's stuff anyway.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Wait, are the Grunds now saying that Casey didn't kill Caylee or that Caylee was in fact kidnapped? I may have missed something - I hope!

They have said all along that if Casey did kill Caylee it had to have been an accident. They don't believe she would have done it deliberately.

 

[Oakley]

Also, what KC said was if I "really" wanted to get rid of Caylee I could have just given her to my mom. The word really is telling.

Agree. It is so difficult to accept that a mother could intentionally harm her baby. But given the evidence I've seen (and I am sure there is much much more) and given the GJ indictment, nothing else fits here. IMO.

 

[LeLe1953]

I think the only deal that may be offered is "Death vs. Life"

Tell us where Caylee's remains are & we will not seek the Death Penalty


Do you remember the case were the DA had a deal like that on the table & the defendant was considering it but before he accepted it LE found the remains of the victim & pulled the deal ?

I think it was a case involvinig a man who snuck into his neighbors house & kidnapped & murdered a little girl

I hope it's not a deal of life vs death. The ONLY deal I want is needle or chair.

 

[SuziQ]

It is really sad about the little boy in Nevada who is missing, but shows a really good point to anyone who could believe a kidnapping theory with Caylee.
This mother in Nevada, drug herself bond and tied out to the street corner to get help! Even apparently knowing that drugs were somehow involved, it did not scare her into not telling authorities.
Casey should watch this in jail, because this is what a mother who cares for their child would do regardless of what is going on!

Very good comparison.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Listening to Rev Grund again:

"I think, and RD can explain better, since Caylee went missing I have done nothing but try to find her....looking to get away from her mother, exit strategy went wrong...might have included faking a kidnapping."

"We don't know what happened..if they find Caylee and there's no evidence of Chloroform all this goes out the window."

 

[Oakley]

Maybe it had to do with her crime spree prior to Caylee's disappearance. Casey may have thought everyone would forgive her for stealing if she was the pitiful mother of a missing child.

Hadn't considered that Chilly, but it does make sense.

 

[Thinaire]

ok so if and that's a big IF Kc was trying to do a fake kidnapping then that's a pretty good indication she had help.

Good grief! I missed both showings of NG, thank goodness for you guys...

Well, If I was handcuffed to CA I'd gnaw my own arm off to escape her :crazy:...but seriously...to get custody...no way. Grandparents have a very hard time gaining custody.

Casey could have left, she DID leave! I think Mr. Grund is so close to this, his heart may be blurring his vision.

 

[mandif3]

:floorlaugh:

It's just so funny that the ONE person on the defense team whose profession it is to twist the truth for the media to his client's advantage is the one who spills the beans.

/Can't find the right emoticon to go with this -- looking for side-splitting laughter.

How's this?:floorlaugh:

 

[Gaia713]

I think the only deal that may be offered is "Death vs. Life"

Tell us where Caylee's remains are & we will not seek the Death Penalty


Do you remember the case were the DA had a deal like that on the table & the defendant was considering it but before he accepted it LE found the remains of the victim & pulled the deal ?

I think it was a case involvinig a man who snuck into his neighbors house & kidnapped & murdered a little girl

Scott Peterson was offered LWOP if he told where the body was. He turned it down. The bodies washed ashore and the rest is history. The "stone cold innocent" defense didn't work for him either. Neither did the homeless, the Satanists, the burglars, or the kidnapping for her jewelry.

 

[seagull65]

Seagull- I'm gonna give you a hypothetical which actually has a basis in reality-

My father (who I LOVE, but who is verbally abusive at times) is someone who I strive to please. I never can. He has made me feel SOOOO unworthy at times that, after expressing myself and my sorrow at my inability to live up to his expectations, I have actually thought about killing myself just to make him feel lik . I know that is sick, and I would never do that in reality, but part of me wanted to 'punish' him and hope that it would get his attn. I also joked about boiling white oleander, but that was all it was- A Joke!

KC is not as well equipped as I am (due to her effed up family dynamics) to step back and realize that faking something like that is not a solution. She is ruled by her own temperment and emotion and can not temper herself- she does something unimaginable because she lacks empathy for others and can only act/react to things that directly affect her. That is not 'rational'. Neither is she. KC (as intell. as she fakes herself to be) is not so smart- she set things in motion and, tho she thought she had more time to make her story work, ran out of options and is now backpeddaling and trying to fit the 'facts' to her story.

Galvino, I had similar thoughts from about the age of 12 to young adulthood sometimes, for absolutely no reason really, just because life was very frustrating for me at times and I may not have had a tremendous amount of understanding or support from my family, although they are actually a great family. I've heard it's common for people to have those thoughts actually, a lot of it has to do with hormones, etc. Or of course some young people have very good reason to have feelings like that. I agree, there certainly are some people, for a variety of reasons, physical (i.e. frontal lobe damage or many, many other possible physical causes), metabolic, emotional, psychological, who are not equipped with the self-restraint to prevent them from actually acting on irrational or angry thoughts like that. What you describe is certainly one possibility in this case, but it seems odd that it would have taken this long really, I mean, at this stage KC finally was taking the first steps toward being out on her own, etc. She could easily have left Caylee temporarily or permanently with her parents to make it easier on herself and be or do whatever she wanted, while at the same time continuing to have as much contact with Caylee as ever. I guess I still have difficulty really seeing any motive for premeditated murder or a fit of rage kind of murder.
I can't rule out KC harming Caylee, but I think that's just one very slim possibility. What about the number of people she and Caylee were around in the time frame? I read recently that a study in family courts showed that a child is 50x more likely to die of inflicted injuries when its mother lives with one other adult (who is not the biological father or grandparent). That's in cases with a mother having just one other roommate. What about a case where a mother was around THIS many other young people with the child...several roommates at each address and other people coming and going. No accusation of any individual, all are presumed innocent of course.

I find it much more likely that an accident occurred during KC's or any of her friend's watch, or that someone took Caylee. KC could be wrong about who took her, she could have believed something someone told her, who knows. Excuse my rambling

 

[karen7868]

Listening to Rev Grund again:

"I think, and RD can explain better, since Caylee went missing I have done nothing but try to find her....looking to get away from her mother, exit strategy went wrong...might have included faking a kidnapping."

"We don't know what happened..if they find Caylee and there's no evidence of Chloroform all this goes out the window."

I have often thought this same scenario.

Big question and sorry if asked/answered before.

Regarding credit card receipts, did CA only refuse to give her JC Penney credit card itemized statement of did she also refuse records for a Visa, MC, etc? There has to be a paper trail for the choroform.

Was the chloroform charged/bought with CA credit card?:waitasec:

SIA if this has been discussed before!

 

[STEADFAST]

That's exactly what Casey tried to tell LE the first day she was interviewed. She said, if I had ever wanted to "get rid" of Caylee (their term, not hers), I would have just left her with my mother.

It's obvious she could easily have left Caylee with her mother if she didn't want her. That's why I've never believed there was any motive for Casey to harm Caylee. There also was not any history of anything but a loving relationship, according to every person who was interviewed. If Caylee is deceased, and I pray that she isn't, I think it's unlikely that Casey was the one who harmed her.

She didn't say "If I ever wanted to get rid of her," she said "If I just wanted to get rid of her." The meaning is completely different.

The first means "If I wanted to get rid of her at any time." The second could mean either, "If I merely wanted to get rid of her" or "If I only wanted to get rid of her."

Sounds to me like she was saying that getting rid of Caylee would not have been her motive or not have been her only motive. I think this is where the "spiteful" part of "spiteful b*tch" comes in.

 

[Boston]

I hope it's not a deal of life vs death. The ONLY deal I want is needle or chair.

This is a tough question....for me it is anyway

If you had the choice of having Casey put to death & Caylee "Never" being found or Casey spending life in prison & telling LE where Caylee's remains are so she can recieve a proper burial which would you choose?


I would go with life in prison & giving Caylee a proper burial

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I know Amy was communicating with all the parties via text messaging.

http://cayleeanthony.weebly.com/#

(10:22PM) from 4X74219700: Plans for the night?
(10:26PM) from 4X74219700: Now i just feel stupid for texting all of u
(10:44PM) from 4X74219700: Off sometime btween 11-1130

Isn't that the phone number KC gave as her work number, or have I been reading too many documents?

 

[karen7868]

Listening to Rev Grund again:

"I think, and RD can explain better, since Caylee went missing I have done nothing but try to find her....looking to get away from her mother, exit strategy went wrong...might have included faking a kidnapping."

"We don't know what happened..if they find Caylee and there's no evidence of Chloroform all this goes out the window."

I have often thought this same "kidnapping" scenario, except I don't think it was an accident to kill Caylee. I believe she meant to kill Caylee, KC flee and fake kidnapping of "her and Caylee". Does that make sense?

Brings me to a big question and sorry if asked/answered before, because I'm sure it has.

Question: Regarding credit card receipts, did CA only refuse to give her JC Penney credit card itemized statement of did she also refuse records for a Visa, MC, etc? There has to be a paper trail for the choroform.

Was the chloroform charged/bought with CA credit card?:waitasec:

SIA if this has been discussed before!

 

[seagull65]

They have said all along that if Casey did kill Caylee it had to have been an accident. They don't believe she would have done it deliberately.

Every single person interviewed said they knew she would never harm Caylee. She had a very normal, loving attachment to Caylee. That, coupled with the fact that she could leave her child with her parents anytime she wanted, is the reason I've never been able to buy that there was any motive to harm Caylee. Personally I think it's much more likely that an accident occurred, or that someone else harmed Caylee, or even that Caylee is out there alive still. I certainly pray she is.

Does anyone know if the trial will be televised? I want to see what the body of "evidence" turns out to be.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Galvino, I had similar thoughts from about the age of 12 to young adulthood sometimes, for absolutely no reason really, just because life was very frustrating for me at times and I may not have had a tremendous amount of understanding or support from my family, although they are actually a great family. I've heard it's common for people to have those thoughts actually, a lot of it has to do with hormones, etc. Or of course some young people have very good reason to have feelings like that. I agree, there certainly are some people, for a variety of reasons, physical (i.e. frontal lobe damage or many, many other possible physical causes), metabolic, emotional, psychological, who are not equipped with the self-restraint to prevent them from actually acting on irrational or angry thoughts like that. What you describe is certainly one possibility in this case, but it seems odd that it would have taken this long really, I mean, at this stage KC finally was taking the first steps toward being out on her own, etc. She could easily have left Caylee temporarily or permanently with her parents to make it easier on herself and be or do whatever she wanted, while at the same time continuing to have as much contact with Caylee as ever. I guess I still have difficulty really seeing any motive for premeditated murder or a fit of rage kind of murder.
I can't rule out KC harming Caylee, but I think that's just one very slim possibility. What about the number of people she and Caylee were around in the time frame? I read recently that a study in family courts showed that a child is 50x more likely to die of inflicted injuries when its mother lives with one other adult (who is not the biological father or grandparent). That's in cases with a mother having just one other roommate. What about a case where a mother was around THIS many other young people with the child...several roommates at each address and other people coming and going. No accusation of any individual, all are presumed innocent of course.

I find it much more likely that an accident occurred during KC's or any of her friend's watch, or that someone took Caylee. KC could be wrong about who took her, she could have believed something someone told her, who knows. Excuse my rambling

Seagull, I know this wasn't addressed to me but I have to ask, how is it that you believe Casey could be wrong about who took her? She seems to be adamant that "the nanny" took her. Unless I missed something I have never heard of Casey saying anything other than that. Where it happened has changed in her story, but not who.