NC NC - Faith Hedgepeth, 19, UNC student, Chapel Hill, 7 Sept 2012 #1

[Webthrush]

I find it very interesting that it says fingernails are undamaged. To me that makes it likely that her arms were restrained for the duration of the attack. Broken fingernails are very common in violent struggles when the victim's hands are free. It also seems weird to state that there doesn't appear to be tissue under the nails. Did they just look at her nails and not do any scrapings?

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They DID do scrapings or "swabbings" from the nails, but the followup report for that isn't included. And I just re-read the particular sentence and here it is in its entirety:
"There is blood, but no solid fragments or apparent tissue, underneath the intact, undamaged fingernails" -- so I guess there was blood underneath the nails (hers? or attacker's?). And further guess (re: my prior question) the hand/foot bags are some sort of routine police procedure for preserving the body/evidence? unless someone thinks otherwise.
sidenote: someone referenced Faith's height above; she is listed on autopsy as 5'6".

 

[Skigirl]

They DID do scrapings or "swabbings" from the nails, but the followup report for that isn't included. And I just re-read the particular sentence and here it is in its entirety:
"There is blood, but no solid fragments or apparent tissue, underneath the intact, undamaged fingernails" -- so I guess there was blood underneath the nails (hers? or attacker's?). And further guess (re: my prior question) the hand/foot bags are some sort of routine police procedure for preserving the body/evidence? unless someone thinks otherwise.
sidenote: someone referenced Faith's height above; she is listed on autopsy as 5'6".

Yes, putting bags over the hands is routine.

 

[Webthrush]

Yes, putting bags over the hands is routine.

Thanks Skigirl for bag clarification… I keep re-reading autopsy trying to discern more: I said earlier it indicated a prolonged beating, but now wonder: it’s obvious the head-beating was severe, but the severity of several other injuries is less clear (though they’re listed as “significant findings&#8221? The many contusions/abrasions (essentially bruises) on her lower body, arms, hands, knees, were small ranging from 0.1 to 0.7 inches… any possibility many of these were merely the result of sports activity or exercise workouts (I often get small bruising just from normal daily activities)? IF the head trauma was the only serious injury than perhaps the assault could have been relatively quick and not prolonged?
Seems like there's always been a sense that the crime occurred within a couple of hrs. after Karena left ~4:30am, but is it possible it occurred several hrs. later when neighbors had left for work/activities, and that's why no one heard anything? A downstairs neighbor hears muffled sounds ~3 am, but nothing later... just so hard to make sense of.


different subject: toxicology report notes small amount of alcohol in Faith’s system — 0.02% (0.08% required for DUI). Technically, she was not old enough to buy a drink at Thrill… did she share some sips from someone else’s drink, or drink once back at home, possibly from the very rum bottle that was the murder weapon (it was usually kept in kitchen, but found in bedroom)? Did she drink well-prior to the crime or at the time of the crime? Finally, Native Americans historically have more susceptibility to alcohol’s effects than other groups; was 0.02% enough to make her sedated and easier to restrain? (no other drugs found in toxicology report).

 

[Gunther Toody]

I don't think swelling would impact her weight. Matter isn't created or destroyed...swelling that isn't the result of retaining more fluids as they are being consumed wouldn't cause weight gain; post-mortem swelling is just the movement of fluids from one place to another.

I think that so few women actually disclose their weight that people have a hard time guessing what a woman weighs. 148 isn't that much for women at some heights (I don't know how tall was, but for someone 5'6" or taller it wouldn't be very much, especially for someone who was pretty toned and had a good amount of muscle versus fat). Eve Carson, who looks very slender to me in her photos, weighed over 140.

Regarding the bags over her hands: the crime scene techs would have put bags over her hands and feet to preserve any evidence on them (e.g., perp's DNA under fingernails, etc.)

Does your information include core body temperature?
As far as noise its possible she was knocked unconscious early in the beating and was beaten while on the bed, cushioning the sound of the blows.

 

[youlostone]

Usually paper bags are put on the hands to secure any evidence. You don't use plastic bags bc of condensation.

 

[youlostone]

I find it very interesting that it says fingernails are undamaged. To me that makes it likely that her arms were restrained for the duration of the attack. Broken fingernails are very common in violent struggles when the victim's hands are free. It also seems weird to state that there doesn't appear to be tissue under the nails. Did they just look at her nails and not do any scrapings?

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They were probably just saying there wasn't any tissue visible to the naked eye. Usually the fingernails are cut and saved for evidence/to be processed

 

[Simplestarz86]

Do we have anyone on here that lived or lives at Hawthorn/the preserve???
I asked this question before...have the maintenance men talked with police? Any other workers that may have been working on the property around the time of the crime?


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[Simplestarz86]

Thinking of you, Faith. You are not out of mind. Searching daily for answers. Justice for Faith. If you know something, heard something contact authorities. Don't let something like this happen again. For as long as a killer is on the loose there is potential for another crime. Say something. Be brave. Be bold.


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[borndem]

You said it, Starz -- we don't want this to happen to another person - be alert - if something looks wrong, it may very well be so -- lock your doors -- don't be foolish --

 

[Simplestarz86]

"The documents released Friday also offered details about Hedgepeth’s roommate Rosario meeting officers at the door shortly after 11 a.m. in response to the 911 call. Chapel Hill investigators secured the crime scene and returned two days later to search the apartment, along with the white Nissan Altima"

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article10051073.html#storylink=cpy

Also in SW it states that ETJ,on 9/7/12, walked up to crime tape but was asked to leave because KR needed to return to the apartment and her protective order was still active against him.

Am I naive to believe there was a police escort that followed KR into the apartment when she needed to return to it or that an officer was outside of the apartment during the two days apartment was "secured" but not searched yet...to me if it wasn't this leaves the apartment available to be "manipulated"...


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[Simplestarz86]

"The documents released Friday also offered details about Hedgepeth’s roommate Rosario meeting officers at the door shortly after 11 a.m. in response to the 911 call. Chapel Hill investigators secured the crime scene and returned two days later to search the apartment, along with the white Nissan Altima"

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article10051073.html#storylink=cpy

Also in SW it states that ETJ,on 9/7/12, walked up to crime tape but was asked to leave because KR needed to return to the apartment and her protective order was still active against him.

Am I naive to believe there was a police escort that followed KR into the apartment when she needed to return to it or that an officer was outside of the apartment during the two days apartment was "secured" but not searched yet...to me if it wasn't this leaves the apartment available to be "manipulated"...


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My statement above is all IMO.


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[Simplestarz86]

After reviewing the surveillance video from Thrill, at closing time, I noticed as Faith walks out she has on either a bracelet or a watch, I cannot make out for sure which it is, on an autopsy report with personal effects released as evidence noted an earring, receipt, hair tie and pin, and etc...on the search warrant of the girls apartment #1502 it mentioned items as well. None of these items pertained to a watch or bracelet...I wonder if whichever it was has been recovered...my apologies as I am unable to locate the report pertaining to personal effects released to detectives at autopsy. Below is a link to the surveillance video of girls exiting the club. My apologies is I've already posted regarding this. Everything as always is IMOO. JMHO.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article104333241.html


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[Whiskers16]

After reviewing the surveillance video from Thrill, at closing time, I noticed as Faith walks out she has on either a bracelet or a watch, I cannot make out for sure which it is, on an autopsy report with personal effects released as evidence noted an earring, receipt, hair tie and pin, and etc...on the search warrant of the girls apartment #1502 it mentioned items as well. None of these items pertained to a watch or bracelet...I wonder if whichever it was has been recovered...my apologies as I am unable to locate the report pertaining to personal effects released to detectives at autopsy. Below is a link to the surveillance video of girls exiting the club. My apologies is I've already posted regarding this. Everything as always is IMOO. JMHO.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article104333241.html


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I don't recall seeing anything about a watch or bracelet being recovered either. But it was my guess that she had changed out of what she wore to the club prior to the murder. Because she was reportedly found with a black shirt, and the clothing they recovered on the second visit to Apt 1502 sounded like what she was wearing at the club. I assumed they went back to collect her exact outfit after seeing surveillance video or something.

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[Simplestarz86]

I don't recall seeing anything about a watch or bracelet being recovered either. But it was my guess that she had changed out of what she wore to the club prior to the murder. Because she was reportedly found with a black shirt, and the clothing they recovered on the second visit to Apt 1502 sounded like what she was wearing at the club. I assumed they went back to collect her exact outfit after seeing surveillance video or something.

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I assumed they would want to gather anything she was wearing that night...if she was wearing it during murder and broke...would time stamp the time of death. Killer/Killers took it?! Just throwing ideas out there.


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[Simplestarz86]

I assumed they would want to gather anything she was wearing that night...if she was wearing it during murder and broke...would time stamp the time of death. Killer/Killers took it?! Just throwing ideas out there.


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If it was a watch.


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[Whiskers16]

:bump: for Faith

 

[borndem]

I'm now feeling a bit uncertain about the killer being arrested & tried & convicted. It's been too long, IMO. Do they have the suspect in their sights & are they still working on enuff evidence for a probable cause warrant, or are they in the weeds with this case & no closer than they were 2 yrs ago?

I remember being very impressed with the CHPD when they investigated the kidnapping, robbery and killing of Eve Carson. They were determined, smart and worked very hard on that case & they had the desired results. Celisa Lehew left no stone unturned, and she is in charge of this investigation. I am hoping to be reading about an arrest each day, as, I'm sure, we all are.

 

[Webthrush]

Yeah, very discouraging, especially near-term… I believe someone will eventually be charged with the crime after they are picked up for some other crime and evidence links them back to the Hedgepeth case, but that could be years away.
Law enforcement always said they were very close to a perpetrator for this case, needing just a little more evidence, yet the only individual that seemed a possible close link was the ex-boyfriend Jones, who in some ways seems cleared, and certainly doesn’t meet the “Latino” profile generated last year. Very perplexing. Come September will be interesting (or infuriating!) to see what news/updates police have to offer.

 

[Whiskers16]

in my opinion this was very thoroughly planned out by 2 or more people, and unrelated DNA may have been planted to ensure the perp(s) would not be charged. i don't have high hopes for a conviction on this one.. unless the door is opened for familial DNA to be used.

 

[Simplestarz86]

I'm worried for a few reasons about a conviction. IMO-with evidence that has been released to the public I have found that it would potentially help a defense attorney to get the perp(s) off. (POI having been in the apartment before and/or living there, times documented wrong, crime scene not secured-IMO, and letting too much time go by) I still don't know what to think of the "latino" lead...I also wonder if they have someone in mind(maybe they have lawyered up) and more evidence we don't know of but not enough physical evidence for an arrest and conviction. I do know that there are people who know more about what happened to Faith. I do know there is a killer among us. No one is safe.


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