kittythehare
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Grapes are gluten free. Prison food won't be!
IMHO
She's at the end of her rope by now.. I'll be very surprised if there is no public tantrum
Grapes are gluten free. Prison food won't be!
IMHO
I am having more thoughts. I know...this case has me majorly baffled I also could strongly see the possibility MC killed a sleeping JC and dad arrived afterwards. Just another reason I have a problem w convicting TC of murder 2I think I agree with most of this post (not sure I agree with if a man hears his daughter scream in middle of night that a dad would run outside rather than directly toward the scream). My basic instinct little thoughts in my head tell me a 65 yr old man (FBI/lawyer) surely did't pre-plan a murder with his daughter and like you said I think they would have come up with a much better plan. So if we continue with the thought TM didn't depart Knoxville with a death plan, the question is...what exact thing happened that brought TM downstairs? I don't think MC and TM sat around dining table and concocted a plan in the early morning hours. I think in fact some noise or bump or scream heard downstairs brought TM down the steps. From that point in my mind MC could have already beaten JC with something (paver or bat). I think it possible a battle did ensue. How/when/where/whom from that point is where I will remain majorly baffled. I still think that would require a manslaughter charge from the state maybe. Yes, I know the evidence indicates overkill and I hate that as much as most of you. But I could understand a huge battle downstairs that night. I haven't been in courtroom hearing evidence but don't think I could convict TM of murder 2. I think I could convict of MS if for no other reason of waiting so long to call LE but I place more blame on MB
I agree,Interestingtheory Harmony2 regarding who was using the bat and who was using thebrick. Makes sense that Molly knew wherethe bat was kept in the garage (they never found a second bat). Missed hits with the bat hitting the wall wall hit with the bat swinging wildly in rage and Tom having close access tothe bricks outside his bedroom/door into the garden. After checking on Molly and seeing what shedid, Tom gets the brick, tells Sharon no need to worry as JC is unconscious andthey need to finish him off. Then theyget a story concocted. How long did thistake?
I believe MMstarted it and TM had to finish itbecause she had gone too far so guilty of Murder 2 for both as he should haveknown better and called 911 before he joined in. He is as guilty as she is.
If the jury comes back with a guilty verdict will the defendant/s be held or released until a sentencing hearing?
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_15A/Article_81.pdf§ 15A-1334. The sentencing hearing. (a) Time of Hearing. Unless the defendant waives the hearing, the court must hold ahearing on the sentence. Either the defendant or the State may, upon a showing which the judgedetermines to be good cause, obtain a continuance of the sentencing hearing.
(b) Proceeding at Hearing. The defendant at the hearing may make a statement in hisown behalf. The defendant and prosecutor may present witnesses and arguments on factsrelevant to the sentencing decision and may cross-examine the other party's witnesses. No personother than the defendant, his counsel, the prosecutor, and one making a presentence report maycomment to the court on sentencing unless called as a witness by the defendant, the prosecutor,or the court. Formal rules of evidence do not apply at the hearing.
Interesting theory Harmony2 regarding who was using the bat and who was using the brick. Makes sense that Molly knew where the bat was kept in the garage (they never found a second bat). Missed hits with the bat
Don't you mean up the steps. TM came up from the basement?I think I agree with most of this post (not sure I agree with if a man hears his daughter scream in middle of night that a dad would run outside rather than directly toward the scream). My basic instinct little thoughts in my head tell me a 65 yr old man (FBI/lawyer) surely did't pre-plan a murder with his daughter and like you said I think they would have come up with a much better plan. So if we continue with the thought TM didn't depart Knoxville with a death plan, the question is...what exact thing happened that brought TM downstairs? I don't think MC and TM sat around dining table and concocted a plan in the early morning hours. I think in fact some noise or bump or scream heard downstairs brought TM down the steps. From that point in my mind MC could have already beaten JC with something (paver or bat). I think it possible a battle did ensue. How/when/where/whom from that point is where I will remain majorly baffled. I still think that would require a manslaughter charge from the state maybe. Yes, I know the evidence indicates overkill and I hate that as much as most of you. But I could understand a huge battle downstairs that night. I haven't been in courtroom hearing evidence but don't think I could convict TM of murder 2. I think I could convict of MS if for no other reason of waiting so long to call LE but I place more blame on MB
I think I agree with most of this post (not sure I agree with if a man hears his daughter scream in middle of night that a dad would run outside rather than directly toward the scream). My basic instinct little thoughts in my head tell me a 65 yr old man (FBI/lawyer) surely did't pre-plan a murder with his daughter and like you said I think they would have come up with a much better plan. So if we continue with the thought TM didn't depart Knoxville with a death plan, the question is...what exact thing happened that brought TM downstairs? I don't think MC and TM sat around dining table and concocted a plan in the early morning hours. I think in fact some noise or bump or scream heard downstairs brought TM down the steps. From that point in my mind MC could have already beaten JC with something (paver or bat). I think it possible a battle did ensue. How/when/where/whom from that point is where I will remain majorly baffled. I still think that would require a manslaughter charge from the state maybe. Yes, I know the evidence indicates overkill and I hate that as much as most of you. But I could understand a huge battle downstairs that night. I haven't been in courtroom hearing evidence but don't think I could convict TM of murder 2. I think I could convict of MS if for no other reason of waiting so long to call LE but I place more blame on MB
Good morning fellow sleuthers!
The prosecution’s closing was extremely powerful from reading the soundbites, snippets and descriptions. I like when a lawyer interjects quotes that resound with the jury and serve as an earworm of sorts. There is the infamous quote that everyone remembers “If it doesn’t fit you must acquit”.
Not that anyone wants to read another theory, particularly mine lol, I will add it to serve as a distraction while we wait for the verdict. Even though premeditation can be formed in an instant, I do not believe that the killing was preplanned with TM ahead of time. I think TM, with all his law enforcement experience and attorney background would have come up with a lot better plan to kill someone that was cleaner and less risky. I believe there are small pieces of his testimony that are true. However, I think it was Molly who was swinging the bat. JC was initially attacked on the bed as he slept and in a daze got out of bed to try to escape the assault. MC kept swinging, making contact but missing a few times pounding the wall and this might have been what awakened TM. Considering he was a guest and did not know where items were kept he exited out to the backyard and grabbed the paving stone. As he entered the master bedroom he might have seen JC approaching MC and grabbing the bat away from her. TM then hits JC with the paving stone a few times.
When asked about the paving stone on the witness stand TM stated he didn’t remember and I think that was his way of distancing himself from it. He said he didn’t recall MC hitting JC with the paving stone and that complies with my theory. He didn’t see it because he was the one with the paving stone.
Judge reads a note from the jury asking for a "short break. It's a stressful decision"
Ben coley tweet
Judge reads a note from the jury asking for a "short break. It's a stressful decision"
Ben coley tweet
Yes I did mean upstairs. t/yDon't you mean up the steps. TM came up from the basement?
They have not deliberated long at all considering two defendants, two possible verdicts, and the seriousness of the charge.
I'm feeling we may have a verdict today. If not, then something is afoot in the jury room.
I think I agree with most of this post (not sure I agree with if a man hears his daughter scream in middle of night that a dad would run outside rather than directly toward the scream). My basic instinct little thoughts in my head tell me a 65 yr old man (FBI/lawyer) surely did't pre-plan a murder with his daughter and like you said I think they would have come up with a much better plan. So if we continue with the thought TM didn't depart Knoxville with a death plan, the question is...what exact thing happened that brought TM downstairs? I don't think MC and TM sat around dining table and concocted a plan in the early morning hours. I think in fact some noise or bump or scream heard downstairs brought TM down the steps. From that point in my mind MC could have already beaten JC with something (paver or bat). I think it possible a battle did ensue. How/when/where/whom from that point is where I will remain majorly baffled. I still think that would require a manslaughter charge from the state maybe. Yes, I know the evidence indicates overkill and I hate that as much as most of you. But I could understand a huge battle downstairs that night. I haven't been in courtroom hearing evidence but don't think I could convict TM of murder 2. I think I could convict of MS if for no other reason of waiting so long to call LE but I place more blame on MB