GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #7

[GDUD]

I wonder if the family has been told about texas equusearch or other search groups that can come and assist them. The family has to make the contact.

I think Texas Equuasearch only searches for remains.. We had a runaway friend last month and contacted them but there was nothing they could do but they were very caring and understanding. She was found safe.

 

[Muckrucker]

I think Texas Equuasearch only searches for remains.. We had a runaway friend last month and contacted them but there was nothing they could do but they were very caring and understanding. She was found safe.

I don't think that's accurate. TES has searched for many live missing persons. I suspect the difference in that instance was that the person was a runaway, as opposed to a person who was missing and in danger - not by their own choice.

 

[StrayKat]

I know there is a K-9 search and rescue team actively tracking this case. The police brought them in. However, if there are other groups you recommend, please share and I will send them to Olivia.

Sorry, was away for a bit. The ones I was thinking of are for children. There many others out there though and I pulled this up from NC. There are groups that help with flyers, buttons, websites, etc...

http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/

 

[Muckrucker]

Nurse - might want to pass this along up channel. I noticed a change to TES policy - now family OR the law enforcement agency can request TES assistance. Used to be family only. Here's the change from the web site:

Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it has been filed with the appropriate law enforcement agency, a case number has been assigned, and law enforcement gives their consent for Texas EquuSearch to become involved. Requests for Texas EquuSearch’s assistance must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.

From the Report A Missing Person page & form: http://texasequusearch.org/report-a-person-missing/

 

[StrayKat]

I think TES would be best, they wouldn't be too far and they have a very good track record. The family has to request that they come.

 

[StrayKat]

Geez, I need to read before I post.

 

[Muckrucker]

I do that all the time, too, StrayKat. I think we all do. Playing catch-up. I should learn to read threads backwards, but I like to get full context as things progress.

New articles about the search:
'Search shows a caring community'

"After about a week of investigative efforts, with all of the information and evidence - physical and testimonial - it brought us back to this area," police Detective Jeff Locklear said. "And there are some other reasons."

"We will find you," said Jason Bowman, 39, an Army specialist and uncle of the missing woman.

"Your family loves you. Your friends love you. Your battalion loves you.

"And to those responsible," he said with a stoic look, "we'll find you, too."

Can I just say that I have admiration for the menfolk in Kelli's family? Both Matt and Jason seem to have determination. They both come across as being mission-oriented; ready to do whatever it takes to find Kelli, while supporting the others like mom and sister.

It's comforting to think these guys are going to push and push to find Kelli - then get answers & justice.

 

[StrayKat]

Thanks, did anyone find out about her name being on that civil docket? I find that very interesting... considering she is missing now.

 

[Todd Picuyane]

I have to believe that NH is the guy. The way LE is handling the evidence and interviews now mean they believe that no good has come of Kelli, and that NH is the only person they suspect, and I would go so far as to say they have some physical evidence. If they didn't, they would be very vocal in their calls for assistance.

The fact that NH has the maximum bond for FTR has convinced me of that point. Normally, FTR would get about a 10,000 bond, given that NH had never really tried to hide himself at any time. A 50,000 bond is normal for those who have been difficult to track. A full 100,000 means that they don't want NH out of jail anytime soon, and more importantly, that they have all the information they need to build the case around him.

This is my feeling derived from knowing about the psychology of the average registered sex offender, coupled with the actions of most LE agencies. Granted, they don't have slam dunk evidence like video evidence or unimpeachable eye witnesses, but they probably have all sorts of physical evidence to the point they don't need to interrogate him any longer. (I never use the word "interview" when it comes to questioning suspects; this is the ingrate that just raped and murdered someone, not someone trying to get a job in a shoe factory!)

Note how the bar owner only had a walkout bond even though he owes hundreds of thousands of dollars and skipped on a DUI court appearance. That tells me LE doesn't think he has any involvement, and possibly may have told them some information on NH that LE didn't release. That also fits this template.

 

[Mom_of_M&M]

I'm sure this has already taken place but did anyone hear if landfills were searched? If the perp was in a hurry I would think the trash would be the first place to dump. I hate to sound so negative but it sounds like LE has reason to believe she was in danger so I sure hope dumpsters and landfills were searched.

 

[Portabella]

Note how the bar owner only had a walkout bond even though he owes hundreds of thousands of dollars and skipped on a DUI court appearance. That tells me LE doesn't think he has any involvement, and possibly may have told them some information on NH that LE didn't release. That also fits this template.

I don't have a link, but it was in MSM, that SC the bar owner bonded on the 500.00 for the DWI, but is being detained awaiting extradition to Boston I believe it was to face then next set of charges for the owing of the Back child support. ...IMHO

Has anyone heard that SC was released? Was his detainer lifted?

 

[Muckrucker]

(UPDATED - April 26)

Working on a list to keep people and players straight. Please jump in to add names, links, details, etc.

VICTIM
Kelli Bordeaux - married - 23 - went missing from Fayetteville bar Froggy's approx 1:20 a.m.April 14. Kelly is a petite blonde (5' 1" and 102 pounds) who was last seen with RSO Nick Holbert as they left Froggy's together. Bordeaux is assigned to the 601st Area Support Medical Company, 261st Multifunctional Medical Battalion, 44th Medical Brigade, as a health service specialist.
Deatils about Kelli's life: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-20120418_1_police-search-sister-fayetteville


FAMILY
Mike Bordeaux - husband of Kelli Bordeaux. Joined his wife in Fayetteville in early December to start a home off base.
LE and family have been quoted as saying that Mike was in Florida visiting his father and buying a car at the time of Kelli's disappearance. Kelli's brother is quoted as saying the 'family is behind Mike 100%' "But he's a pushover," Henson said. "He wanted to make Kelli happy. We really do support Mike 100 percent. "He loved Kelli. There is no doubt in my mind about that."
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/04/23/1173168?sac=fo.local

Johnna Henson - Kelli's mother - lost her husband and her mother in the past year. "She's not the type of soldier that would go AWOL," he said. Henson left for North Carolina on Wednesday to help searchers.http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/19/mom-missing-soldier-i-need-my-daughter

Olivia Cox - Kelli's sister. held a news conference Tuesday night, imploring for help from anyone who may have seen her sister or has information about her whereabouts."Being a soldier for Kelli isn't something she would jeopardize," Cox said.News conference: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=8625212

Matt Henson - Kelli's brother - stepped up as family spokesperson during press conference Friday, April 20. MH later was further quoted as stating that none of the family believe Nick Holbert dropped Kelli off at home. They do not believe him, nor do they believe in the authenticity of the text messages.
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/04/23/1173168?sac=fo.local

Jason Bowman - Kelli's Uncle - Army Specialist. Was away on deployment when Kelli went missing, but since returned. Seems determined and spoke at April 26 press conference before 550+ people began another search new Froggy Bottoms bar, where Kelli went missing. http://www.wral.com/news/video/11027537/#/vid11027537


FRIENDS

Justin - Kelli's close friend from Florida. He met Holbert along with Kelli at Froggy's while playing pool several weeks before Kelli's disappearance. Justin was in Fayetteville to visit Bordeaux. The two had been friends since Bordeaux and her family moved about 20 miles from Orlando, Fla., to the small town of St. Cloud in 1996. He received the 'got home safely' text from Kelli's phone on the night she disappeared. Also the recipient of the text that Kelli was getting a ride home from a man. Matt Henson stated there was about an hour between the texts.
http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/04/23/1173168?sac=fo.local

John Buratti - former boss when Kelli worked for him at Sonic and close friend of Kelli. His wife is also close to Kelli. John had exchanged text messages with Kelli earlier on the day of her disappearance. He reports that Kelli's phone had been off for a few days going straight to voicemail, then started to ring again around April 19th.
.http://video.foxnews.com/v/1570329455001/new-details-in-case-of-missing-fort-bragg-soldier

Diane Suchanoff - FL neighbour and family friend. http://www.wesh.com/news/30930047/detail.html


LE/Military

Tom Bergamine - Fayetteville Police Chief - stated they had reason to believe Kelli was in grave danger

Detective Locklear - Appears to be lead detective in Kelli's case. Appeared at April 26th press conference before renewed search around Froggy Bottoms.
Press Conference: http://www.wral.com/news/video/11027537/#/vid11027537

Gavin MacRoberts - spokesman of the Fayetteville Police Department.of the Fayetteville Police Department.

Jackie Thomas - Fort Bragg spokeswoman


PERSONS MENTIONED IN MSM


Nick Holbert - RSO (crimes against a child) - last person seen with Kelli alive. Police questioned Nick twice in relation to Kelli's disappearance. Nick has since been arrested for violating the state's Sex Offender Registry by failing to register a change of address at the Sheriff's Office and is being held on $100,000 bond. Nick was known to hang around the bar, reported to live behind it in a tent or lean-to. Nick states that he met Kelli and her friend Justin at the bar several weeks before her disappearance. He asked if he could play pool with them. Holbert states that on the day of her disappearance, he picked Kelli up, they went to Froggy's, then later she asked him to drive her home to her apartment. "Around one, one-thirty, she told me 'I'm tired. I want to go home.' I said 'Okay,' so we got in the car and as soon as I pulled into Meadowbrook, she said 'You stop right here and let me out. I'll walk,'" said Holbert.

The spot Holbert said he dropped off Bordeaux is about a quarter mile from her apartment on Water Trail Drive. He told ABC11 he figured there might be someone at the apartment she didn't want him to see, so he left.

Steven Cantrell - owner of Froggy Bottoms bar - arrested Monday, April 23 on unrelated charges. Failure to appear for DUI and outstanding child support. Cantrell was not present at the bar the night Kelli went missing.

 

[Muckrucker]

Not sure what your background is, Todd, but very grateful for your insights. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned much through the last few threads from your clear explanations.

Question please: since someone (prosecutor?) would have had to argue for the amount of bond for NH, would they have shared evidence possibly related to Kelli's disappearance at the point as a justification for high bond? Would that threshold have been very high, or would it be enough to obtain the high bond based on RSO designation and the fact he was last known seen with Kelli?

TYIA

 

[ryanemsmom]

Not sure what your background is, Todd, but very grateful for your insights. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned much through the last few threads from your clear explanations.

Question please: since someone (prosecutor?) would have had to argue for the amount of bond for NH, would they have shared evidence possibly related to Kelli's disappearance at the point as a justification for high bond? Would that threshold have been very high, or would it be enough to obtain the high bond based on RSO designation and the fact he was last known seen with Kelli?

TYIA

I'm not Todd, but I learned something on a different case that may apply here. Sometimes bond will be set high/denied as a public safety measure. Not necessarily that the accused will harm the public, but that emotions may be running high and the public could be compelled to practice vigilante justice. Essentially, the high bond/no bond protects the accused from being harmed by people who have decided his guilt.

 

[Peliman]

I'm not totally tunnel visioned in this case yet but I am focused on NH and expanding on that a little bit maybe I've missed something. Has a photo of his car been released to find out if anyone had seen it on that weekend?

I'm also a bit curious of the area NH grew up in as a child/teen. A couple instances I've noticed victims discovered "on a parents farm", in the pet burial grounds ect. As in WTH was NH that weekend from Friday on.

I'm still a bit hung up on the NH returning to the bar 10 mins. after leaving. Hoping a cadaver dog has been through the car that I don't know what it looks like.

JMO MOO

 

[ryanemsmom]

I'm not totally tunnel visioned in this case yet but I am focused on NH and expanding on that a little bit maybe I've missed something. Has a photo of his car been released to find out if anyone had seen it on that weekend?

I'm also a bit curious of the area NH grew up in as a child/teen. A couple instances I've noticed victims discovered "on a parents farm", in the pet burial grounds ect. As in WTH was NH that weekend from Friday on.

I'm still a bit hung up on the NH returning to the bar 10 mins. after leaving. Hoping a cadaver dog has been through the car that I don't know what it looks like.

JMO MOO

This was posted by VOH a ways back, don't know how to quote from old threads.
"Mid-late model silver Chevy Cavalier 2-door (it was shown in one of the videos)"

I tried to search for the video but I hadn't been watching them so didn't know where to start. It was probably one of the first ones though.

 

[Peliman]

This was posted by VOH a ways back, don't know how to quote from old threads.
"Mid-late model silver Chevy Cavalier 2-door (it was shown in one of the videos)"

I tried to search for the video but I hadn't been watching them so didn't know where to start. It was probably one of the first ones though.

Thanks and no need to search. I was just thinking out loud it would be nice to have a photo of his car out in public. Sometimes it's so much easier for the public to relate to images.

 

[tlzzdavis]

I may eat crow on this but IMO I don't think NH is guilty. He was a "loner" and could have walked away without looking back. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I have not heard him sway from his "story" one time. He didn't have to willing speak to LE but he did...

And I am a "big" girl...(about the same as Kelli) so I will proudly eat crow if I am wrong!

Too many things steer me away from NH:
*Someone would have spoke up if they saw him in the same description of clothing that was found with blood on them
*His willingness to speak to LE and the media
*I don't think he is smart enough to cover all of his tracks
*There is nothing "in it for him"
*I think he would have acted nervous being in FB's later that very same day.
*He has been around that area for years...so why now? Why KB...
*AND MB still does not have me convinced... I think if the marriage was fine he wouldn't say it over and over in interviews...I feel he would say "we havea already addressed that correct?". Maybe that is just me tho...an education messes with your mind sometimes. Also how did MB get to Florida??

Of course this is all IMOO...just putting my thoughts out there

 

[Todd Picuyane]

I'm not Todd, but I learned something on a different case that may apply here. Sometimes bond will be set high/denied as a public safety measure. Not necessarily that the accused will harm the public, but that emotions may be running high and the public could be compelled to practice vigilante justice. Essentially, the high bond/no bond protects the accused from being harmed by people who have decided his guilt.

I'm affiliated with LE through my wife and a few friends in the southern California area. Virtually every LE guy I know believes it was Nick Holbert, though they have no official knowledge; just profession-based instincts and training from the tells they get from the media reports.

In addition, I don't sense that there is a vigilante mood out to get Nick, though VOH or other insiders can get that scoop more readily than me. But keep in mind that jail costs taxpayers money, and FTR ("Failure to Report," or a failure of an RSO to keep up with current registration requirements such as addresses and maintaining legal distances from restricted areas) bonds are rarely maxed out. It seem far more likely they just don't want him going anywhere, and in addition, they have extracted as much information as they need out of him to conduct the case.

Say what you will about the official response professionalism of LE as well. When I was at Bragg in the late 70's/early 80's in the 82nd, Fayetteville was one of the bottom 10 cities in the US for safety. Cities associated with army bases typically had a lot of problems, but as I understand it most of those cities have cleaned up as military personnel, in general, are much more professional throughout the ranks. But even with problems related with search parties, etc. (which rarely recover anything of value anyway), LE has been quite professional in their approach.

NOW, having said all of that, I am not going to state that Nick is the perp. But virtually all of the little signs point to him, and none of the little signs point to other POI's. LE might even have some major evidence against another POI that they haven't released which would change the ballgame. I'm only basing my opinion on my general knowledge of RSO's and the way they've treated Nick's FTR arrest.

Suffice to say if Nick turns out to be the perp, I'll be doing some heavy calling to the NC legislature to get GPS mandated for all RSO's, at their expense, for the duration of their registration, whether they are on or off parole. Had Nick been GPS'd, we either would know for sure he did it, or more likely, Kelli would be alive because Nick would have had serious thoughts before committing his deed and leaving a trail to every location he has been at.

 

[Soulmagent]

I may eat crow on this but IMO I don't think NH is guilty. He was a "loner" and could have walked away without looking back. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I have not heard him sway from his "story" one time. He didn't have to willing speak to LE but he did...

And I am a "big" girl...(about the same as Kelli) so I will proudly eat crow if I am wrong!

Too many things steer me away from NH:
*Someone would have spoke up if they saw him in the same description of clothing that was found with blood on them
*His willingness to speak to LE and the media
*I don't think he is smart enough to cover all of his tracks
*There is nothing "in it for him"
*I think he would have acted nervous being in FB's later that very same day.
*He has been around that area for years...so why now? Why KB...
*AND MB still does not have me convinced... I think if the marriage was fine he wouldn't say it over and over in interviews...I feel he would say "we havea already addressed that correct?". Maybe that is just me tho...an education messes with your mind sometimes. Also how did MB get to Florida??

Of course this is all IMOO...just putting my thoughts out there

Just to debate your post
We do not know what Nick was wearing because no one has said.

I cant respond to his speaking to the media as who knows why people do what the do ,guilty people sometimes do speak to the media ,sometimes it is the why they end up caught. Example would be Scott peterson, Drew peterson, Josh Powell, susan smith, even Jeffery dalmar spoke to the media after he was caught.

I am not sure what you are using as a scale to his intellect .

He is a violent sex offender so that would be the motive or the "whats in it for him"

We dont know that he didnt act nervous in Froggys later.

He did do it before.

As for MB , I dunno maybe he doesnt know more .I wont debate his position on the case unless it seriously becomes questionable.