Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #4

[Sinsaint]

In in fact, what you say is true about how it was handled, I'm so with you on the--there should have been established procedures followed. But, I'm not convinced they were handled incorrectly...and for one reason...they brought in an expert from Milwaukee, from the Jeffrey Dahlmer case, who was experienced in handling bones.

Why do I think he is guilty--all of the evidence points to him or someone on that property--am I 100% convinced it was him--No--but I do think he had knowledge of it. Do I think LE or someone else planted evidence--nope. If it was anyone else..other than SA..everyone on here would be saying...death penalty or put him in jail and throw away the key.

Jeffery Dahmer.

 

[TheDuchess]

Another thing I wonder about; what is the psychological make up of those women who write convicted men, to "show their support", then end up visiting and in getting in a "relationship" or marrying them?

(Same thing happened with Damien in the WMT case).

I suspect that was their intention all along, from the first letter, yet they always claim they were so "surprised" to find themselves becomming romantically attracted. Hmmmm.

Ryan Ferguson's current girlfriend was someone who wrote him in prison because she felt he was innocent and then worked really hard to help get him freed. They are still together. BTW-they make a beautiful couple.

I think SA's current friend (former fiance) seems pretty together, actually. I think she did start by wanting to help him and then there was an attraction at some point.

I take these particular women, although something I wouldn't do, differently than the "murder groupies" out there who are actually drawn to these men because they actually are killers.

 

[Jaiddie]

https://justiceforbradcooper.wordpr...e-mishandled-in-teresa-halbach-investigation/

I found this article citing EXACTLY how the retrieval of the remains should have went down versus the way it ACTUALLY went down. And this is also why I find no credible reason that ANY of that evidence should have been accepted at trial. The whole thing was a very unfunny JOKE.

"Forensic Anthropologist Dr. Leslie Eisenberg was an expert for the state. The way she was pulled into this case is bizarre. She received a phone message on November 9, 2005 informing her that a package of bones had been left at her office. She was out of town at the time. Investigators should have contacted her and requested her presence at the scene instead of delivering a box of bones to her office! Further, why didn’t investigators first call her to see if she even had time to work on this case?"

 

[MysticJynx]

Some things I notice while the one officer is reading that mail and stating avery wont be making it. She is not wearing any gloves at all. Is this normal practice to go in and touch things on a search warrant without wearing any gloves?

 

[Jaiddie]

In in fact, what you say is true about how it was handled, I'm so with you on the--there should have been established procedures followed. But, I'm not convinced they were handled incorrectly...and for one reason...they brought in an expert from Milwaukee, from the Jeffrey Dahlmer case, who was experienced in handling bones.

Why do I think he is guilty--all of the evidence points to him or someone on that property--am I 100% convinced it was him--No--but I do think he had knowledge of it. Do I think LE or someone else planted evidence--nope. If it was anyone else..other than SA..everyone on here would be saying...death penalty or put him in jail and throw away the key.

I am including an article that breaks down how the retrieval should have happened versus how it actually happened. As far as the expert from Milwaukee, is that Dr. Leslie Eisenberg? If so, the bones were delivered to her OFFICE in a box, rather than have her come examine them on site. smh.

Edit: Forgot the link,

https://justiceforbradcooper.wordpr...e-mishandled-in-teresa-halbach-investigation/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok, I can agree with the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and while it may be interesting to theorize back and forth on what really happened to her my main point is that, that investigation and the trials were so much of a farce MANY of the theories could actually be PLAUSIBLE.

As far as the bones go, I will leave out the human aspect of it and just leave it to the scientific part. I would really, really, really like someone to answer me the question, why was it OK and LEGAL for LE to recover her remains as they did with their own detectives using shovels and no pictures chronologically documenting their findings? I am sure that those LEO were not experienced enough to know how to do that without further damaging the bones than they already were, that is why it is protocol to have an experienced forensic specialist ON SITE in order for the procedures to be done accordingly and no further damage be done to the evidence.

While I cannot say that I am 100% sure that SA is Innocent, I am 1000% sure he is Not Guilty because of that kangaroo court they called trials.

Btw: I really would like an answer from the ones who think he is guilty as to the question I posed. I have asked it several times and on multiple sites but it just keeps getting blown off.

I do know by reading about other cases that LE does use their own tools such as shovels, smaller spades, sifters, buckets etc when they are trying to find bone fragments belonging to a victim.

Have there been other trials showing a video of LE in a burned area/s searching for bone fragments?

 

[Madeleine74]

That blog author is no expert in anything crime or forensic related and is one of those women who thinks just about every white man in prison has been framed. Whack-a doo crazy thinks everything is a vast conspiracy by the government, including the Sandy Hook shootings (claims no one was shot and it was just people acting/portraying grieving parents of the children).

 

[Hippiemomof5]

Is it possible Kratz filed something to make Zellner remove the tweets?

 

[Madeleine74]

Is it possible Kratz filed something to make Zellner remove the tweets?

Not possible. First Amendment.

 

[Sinsaint]

Some things I notice while the one officer is reading that mail and stating avery wont be making it. She is not wearing any gloves at all. Is this normal practice to go in and touch things on a search warrant without wearing any gloves?

Because Avery is guilty. She knew that the second she knew Avery got away with his last crime. There's no need to treat him like someone with any presumption of innocence. Don't worry... If he gets off on a technicality this time, she has his shoes to match up with any unsolved B&Es.

 

[MysticJynx]

Because Avery is guilty. She knew that the second she knew Avery got away with his last crime. There's no need to treat him like someone with any presumption of innocence. Don't worry... If he gets off on a technicality this time, she has his shoes to match up with any unsolved B&Es.

Is it weird they take foot print impressions for breaking and entering crimes but not around the found vehicle of a missing woman?

 

[pleasestandby]

As a side note, does anyone have a theory as to why SA or whomever removed the battery cables from the battery ?

There had to be some reasonable explanation as to why SA's DNA was found on the hood latch. Why? He did it to disconnect the battery.

But, there is no logical explanation as to why he even disconnected the battery in the first place.

The only 2 reasons I can think of would only be in the mind of someone intent on framing SA.

1) disconnect the battery to show why his DNA would even be on the hood latch, and,

2) disconnect the battery to make sure that if someone, like SA, by a remote chance, did find the vehicle before it was "found" by searchers or LE, wouldn't move it somewhere else and "unframe" himself after realizing he was being set up, again.

"Aw, man, TH's vehicle is here on my property! I didn't do it! I'm being set up again! I'm going to move it somewhere else or they'll pin this on me, too!" Wouldn't you think that way? I would.

You'll read stories, where, when someone stages a crime scene, they sometimes make sure that someone else finds the body, or the evidence, etc. to divert attention off of themselves.

Feel free to blow holes in my theory.

 

[Sinsaint]

That blog author is no expert in anything crime or forensic related and is one of those women who thinks just about every white man in prison has been framed. Whack-a doo crazy thinks everything is a vast conspiracy by the government, including the Sandy Hook shootings (claims no one was shot and it was just people acting/portraying grieving parents of the children).

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[Jaiddie]

That blog author is no expert in anything crime or forensic related and is one of those women who thinks just about every white man in prison has been framed. Whack-a doo crazy thinks everything is a vast conspiracy by the government, including the Sandy Hook shootings (claims no one was shot and it was just people acting/portraying grieving parents of the children).

I don't pretend to know anything about the bloq author or her views, other than the fact that that is how forensics SHOULD be done. I admit I am no expert, but I have enough common sense to know that on ALL other murder crime scenes I have ever seen portrayed there are protocols that MUST be followed. This would include photographing the evidence at the time of the discovery, flagging said evidence (as someone else stated above), and having the proper forensic specialist or medical examiner ON SITE. There was NO specialist ON SITE at the Avery property or the quarry, and that to me is mind-boggling that so many people seem to think that is OK.

Also, for all those saying they would have to PROOF of a frame-up occurring...on the same note, I would like to see the PROOF that those bones came from the Avery property.

 

[ElleElle]

As far as SAs DNA on latch and battery cable; while searching his trailer, they could of got one of his dirty socks to open the latch and disconnect the battery.

 

[Sinsaint]

Is it weird they take foot print impressions for breaking and entering crimes but not around the found vehicle of a missing woman?

I'm sure Kratz has some reason why... Probably because Pam, her daughter and the rest of the Duddly Do Right crew had already trampled all over the scene. Too bad for Avery.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Not too many people rape and kill while salivating on a impending $36 million lawsuit that could have been settled soon. But I am surprised that the idiot didn't leave town while suing a corrupt le agency.

This guy was not bright at all. His civil lawyers could have fronted him some money to temporarily move until the lawsuit was settled. Jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think you're missing the point that a lot of the "evidence" you're relying upon in seeing guilt, really should never have been considered admissible. Take away everything that was "found" by Manitowoc personnel, and what have you got that makes either Steven Avery or Brendan Dassey guilty? A lot of circumstantial stuff that could point to anyone, had the police bothered to properly investigate.

Add to that the much discredited "Reid Technique" of interrogation, which resulted in Dassey's confession(s). Well, that's not enough for me to come to a hard conclusion regarding guilt.

I understand and respect your position. However, my opinion stands unless undeniable proof is found to support the allegations made.

I kept up with the trial when it happened from the time Theresa went missing right through to the verdicts.

I am going strictly by the evidence entered and what was testified to in court in front of the jury. I cant take away what Manitowoc personnel found. Its a part of the case/trial, and that is what I solely look at. That, and taking into consideration that both appeals were denied by the higher courts. The higher court is fully aware what the DTs theory was back during the trial since its the same then and now. By going by the actual trial transcripts it lets me see what the Judges were weighing when it came up on appeal twice.

Now if I had proof that the Manitowoc personnel had planted some evidence then it would be a totally different matter altogether. Even the trial defense team knows it doesn't have the proof they need to support their theory/claims of framing/planting. So I don't quite understand why should I discount anything at this point concerning evidence when even the trial defense attorney admits they don't have what they need. Should that change then of course my opinion will also change.



IMO

 

[Sustained]

Is it weird they take foot print impressions for breaking and entering crimes but not around the found vehicle of a missing woman?

Or tire track impressions for that matter ...

 

[missy1974]

https://justiceforbradcooper.wordpr...e-mishandled-in-teresa-halbach-investigation/

I found this article citing EXACTLY how the retrieval of the remains should have went down versus the way it ACTUALLY went down. And this is also why I find no credible reason that ANY of that evidence should have been accepted at trial. The whole thing was a very unfunny JOKE.

"Forensic Anthropologist Dr. Leslie Eisenberg was an expert for the state. The way she was pulled into this case is bizarre. She received a phone message on November 9, 2005 informing her that a package of bones had been left at her office. She was out of town at the time. Investigators should have contacted her and requested her presence at the scene instead of delivering a box of bones to her office! Further, why didn’t investigators first call her to see if she even had time to work on this case?"

I had not read that one before, thanks for linking it!

The only thing that I noticed was missing is that the cadaver dog alerted to 2 barrels (behind Dassey residence) the very first day, November 5th!!!! No one thought to investigate it at that time?????

November 6, 2005

Agent Fassbender calls Kevin Heimerl (arson division of DOJ) to the Avery property. Heimerl identifies phone and camera parts in a burn barrel.
Five burn barrels are transported to the Calumet Sheriff’s Department
November 8, 2005

John Ertl begins sifting through the burn barrels at the SO, collects and packages evidence – phone and camera pieces
Deputy Jost of the Manitowoc SO finds a one inch piece of bone. Special Agent Tom Sturdivant is summoned. He takes charge of the burn pit investigation.
Sturdivant summons John Ertl from the crime lab, requests sifting equipment
Ash from fire pit is dug up with shovels, sifted and packaged into boxes
Coroner is not summoned before digging begins – even though that would have been standard protocol
November 9, 2005

Forensic anthropologist Leslie Eisenberg receives phone message that box of bones has been delivered to her office
Arson expert Rodney Pevytoe is summoned to the burn pit location – covered with tarp – he does not look at anything
November 10, 2005

Pevytoe examines bone shards at Sheriff’s Office, finds a piece of charred tissue